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Old 04-25-2009, 07:11 PM   #1
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To acquire Smith, the Broncos surrendered their first-round pick in the 2010 draft, a move that was at least financially motivated.

You know something that's a crying shame that the cost of rookie contracts is forcing teams to deal away higher picks in later years just because of the contractual commitment to these youngsters who haven't proved anything in the NFL.

We've witnessed the evidence today via the Cleveland Browns trading their 5th choice down to pick 21, 3 times to save approx $20m in guaranteed money.

McDaniels also stated he didn't consider Sanchez because of the financial cost.

The NFL needs to do something about this and fast because pretty soon there'll be no need for a salary cap at all and no parity in the league, even the draft will come down to who has the most money out there to invest.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:15 PM   #2
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That is a plain chicken **** argument.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:16 PM   #3
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I dont know what to think
We traded both 3rds for a blocking TE
Trade our first next for a 2nd this year to avoid paying a lot to a rookie?

This is worrisome.......this is not good
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:20 PM   #4
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Sell the team Bowlen. If you're making financially motivated moves and not football motivated moves, then you need to sell the team to someone who will be making decisions that are the best for the Broncos and not whether or not you can write the check.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:20 PM   #5
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Maybe they were afraid that the Chicago pick was going to end up almost like a 2nd at the 26-30 range and wanted the 2nd round pick this year.

Crazy move. Glad I wasn't in front of the TV following this as I would have been pissed.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:24 PM   #6
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We traded our own pick NOT Chicago's

Plus the Pittsburgh trade got us their 4th as part of the deal.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:28 PM   #7
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I'm sure people will point to this and say it's a shoddy excuse, but it does make sense, albeit a little (just better hope we don't end up giving up a high, high 1 for a late first type pick). My jaw dropped when looking at that graphic on ESPN showing the guaranteed amounts given out to previous no. 1's. Stafford got almost twice the amount Alex Smith did only four years ago. Obviously, the incremental increase from year to year doesn't only affect number one picks.

Forget the part about trading our future first, actually. It is simply ludicrous how much money is being doled out to these never-stepped-foot-on-an-NFL-field guys. And it won't reach a peak if unchecked. There will always be that X percentile increase every year.

Was listening to a local John Clayton radio show, and he made it seem like both parties know that the rookie wages will be an issue in the upcoming CBA's, which is great.

However, I'm sure the move wasn't entirely driven by financial worries.

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Old 04-25-2009, 07:29 PM   #8
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If thats the case, Pat just needs to sell the team. He was the one who chose to pay two coaches 10 million dollars and opted to violate the trust had with his franchise QB who was playing under a cap friendly contract.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:33 PM   #9
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Sell the team Bowlen. If you're making financially motivated moves and not football motivated moves, then you need to sell the team to someone who will be making decisions that are the best for the Broncos and not whether or not you can write the check.
Bowlen was present in the war room today. What happened to the hand's off owner?

From SI.com:

Englewood, Colo., 5:09 p.m.

All is quiet at Broncos headquarters. The team has moved its war room from the large team meeting room just behind the lobby to the coach's conference room on the second floor.

Unlike with previous coach Mike Shanahan, who had all the coaches, personnel people, medical staff and scouts in the war room, new coach Josh McDaniels has only himself, general manager Brian Xanders, owner Pat Bowlen and a few others. The media are now working out of the previous war room.

Don't look for much action for the Broncos in terms of trading up. McDaniels said yesterday he would not surrender the team's two first-round picks, Nos. 12 and 18, to move up for one player. That does not mean he won't trade one of the selections as part of a deal to move up.

Denver is expected to go heavy on defense. Many of their moves this offseason have been on offense, and they need to start adding pieces for the new 3-4 defense they plan to run.

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Old 04-25-2009, 07:35 PM   #10
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B.S. he just doesn't know what he's doing
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:39 PM   #11
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Sell the team if you can't afford to play the game.
I believe that will be a top ten pick.
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Old 04-25-2009, 07:54 PM   #12
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

You just have to laugh at these amateurs and remember... SOME OF YOU guys wanted this ****.

I feel bad for die-hard Bronco fans. We are now entering the dark days.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:31 PM   #13
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I thnk this will end up being a shrewd move.
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To acquire Smith, the Broncos surrendered their first-round pick in the 2010 draft, a move that was at least financially motivated.

You know something that's a crying shame that the cost of rookie contracts is forcing teams to deal away higher picks in later years just because of the contractual commitment to these youngsters who haven't proved anything in the NFL.

We've witnessed the evidence today via the Cleveland Browns trading their 5th choice down to pick 21, 3 times to save approx $20m in guaranteed money.

McDaniels also stated he didn't consider Sanchez because of the financial cost.

The NFL needs to do something about this and fast because pretty soon there'll be no need for a salary cap at all and no parity in the league, even the draft will come down to who has the most money out there to invest.
We traded our pick? All I can do now is laugh. Given this draft and our schedule, we just traded a top five pick for a midget, slow corner who can't tackle. And I thought Shanahan was trying to turn us into the Browns.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:34 PM   #15
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If thats the case, Pat just needs to sell the team. He was the one who chose to pay two coaches 10 million dollars and opted to violate the trust had with his franchise QB who was playing under a cap friendly contract.
Yeah.

There is really no benefit to having Pat if he isn't willing to spend money, anymore. That was what made him great. He would spare NO EXPENSE in making this a first class organization, whether that meant the facilities or spending up to the cap or anything like that. If he's a penny pinching miser now, he's basically useless, because God knows his decision making isn't exactly an asset, either.
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You can't spend what don't have. Come back to reality.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:39 PM   #17
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This a lame argument. If the top 10 pick next year that we gave to Seattle was going to be expensive, we could have traded out of it, several times for that matter and ended up with a few 2nds and a 3rd or whatever.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:40 PM   #19
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Wasn't Bowlen's argument for the new stadium so he could afford to pay free agents in the future?

So now he's a jagoff, short-sided dumbass, a liar and a POS.

Glad we clarified that.

SELL BOWLEN. DO IT NOW.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:42 PM   #20
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Unlike with previous coach Mike Shanahan, who had all the coaches, personnel people, medical staff and scouts in the war room, new coach Josh McDaniels has only himself, general manager Brian Xanders, owner Pat Bowlen and a few others. The media are now working out of the previous war room.

This tells you all you need tro know. Also note that they talk about McDaniel's war room, not Xanders
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:46 PM   #21
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this makes no sense considering next year is uncapped
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I could see if cap concerns were an issue, but next year is an UNCAPPED YEAR!
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:14 PM   #23
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I could see if cap concerns were an issue, but next year is an UNCAPPED YEAR!
That only makes the problem worse for many teams, since rookies can demand more.

Also, they have the right to sue the NFL (which there is a precedent of) as the draft is a violation of their right to fairly shop their services. The only reason that doesn't happen now is its a union workforce that has negotiated in that right for the employers.

Next year's draft is probably going to be a **** storm for a lot of teams.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:17 PM   #24
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Yes...next year is an uncapped year...which means there would be no control on rookie contracts coming into the league. If Stafford got 41 mil guaranteed with a cap, whats to stop teams from going nuts and overpaying to keep these guys longer? Chill out, watch the process. I think some of the people on this board are upset because they were used to how Shanahan drafted players. New coach, new GM, different way of evaluating players. Lets see how they play before we decide this is the "worst draft evar"

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Old 04-25-2009, 10:17 PM   #25
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I swear NFL network said we traded the Bears pick. Someone give me a link where it is written down.
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