Robert Ayers = Justin Smith, Nolan's Joker - The Orange Mane

chickennob2 · 04-25-2009, 03:54 PM

I believe it was Montrose who posted some solid analysis of Nolan's defense and talked frequently about his use of Justin Smith as a "joker" who moved around all over the defense to rush the passer. Similar build, similar skillset. I think this was the thought process.

lostknight · 04-25-2009, 04:00 PM

I like the pick (as you can probably see from my adopt-a-bronco). I think he is the right fit for the scheme.

LonghornBronco · 04-25-2009, 04:07 PM

I personally think they are pegging Elvis as the Joker and Ayers will play DE opposite Markus Thomas, I like the pick by the way.

Dudeskey · 04-25-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornBronco

I personally think they are pegging Elvis as the Joker and Ayers will play DE opposite Markus Thomas, I like the pick by the way.

too small to be a 3-4 DE. He'll be a tweener where Nolan could run a 3-4 with him @ OLB or a 4-3 formation w/ his hand in the dirt @ DE. Like the pick though.

Edit: Here's another thought- maybe 2 jokers (Ayers & Doom) for Nolan, eh?..™

Kaylore · 04-25-2009, 04:30 PM

Ayers at 18 is great value and addresses a need. Very well done!

barryr · 04-25-2009, 04:35 PM

I don't think Ayers can play the DE in a 3-4 all the time. In fact, if they just keep him as a DE in a 3-4 and that's it, I don't see Ayers being anything that great. He simply isn't big enough to play exclusively the DE in a 3-4.

I think as some others have suggested, the Broncos will mix their defenses up and Ayers will move around. I believe that's what they should do at least.

halfcreek · 04-25-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Ayers at 18 is great value and addresses a need. Very well done!

True. I think that the Chargers would have grabbed Moreno at 16, so I think that McDaniels played this nicely.

TennBronco · 04-25-2009, 04:50 PM

Ayers has an unbelievable motor and one of the strongest players I've seen...put a few pounds on him and he'll fit in the DE spot in a 3-4 nicely.

Popps · 04-25-2009, 06:10 PM

TennBronco · 04-26-2009, 04:33 AM

Don't worry about the one-year-wonder tag Ayers has been recieving. As bad as our offense was this past season, he got plenty of experience. So much so, that he burned his sixth year of eligibility.

elsid13 · 04-26-2009, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chickennob2

I believe it was Montrose who posted some solid analysis of Nolan's defense and talked frequently about his use of Justin Smith as a "joker" who moved around all over the defense to rush the passer. Similar build, similar skillset. I think this was the thought process.

First of all Justin Smith wasn't the Joker role for SF. He played the majority of time at DE. Second Smith is 285/290, while Ayers is 265/270 and will most like play with hand off the ground. IF we are lucky in two to three years we have a player like Thomas from the NE Patriots. Ayers has experience moving around and playing in multiply spots in front seven, but will need to work on his technique and learn to place in space against TE and RB in the NFL.

It not a bad pick but it not going to be a player that immediately is penciled in to start on day one.

Bronco Boy · 04-26-2009, 06:44 AM

Watching him pick off Stafford was fun.

Bronco Boy · 04-26-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

First of all Justin Smith wasn't the Joker role for SF. He played the majority of time at DE. Second Smith is 285/290, while Ayers is 265/270 and will most like play with hand off the ground. IF we are lucky in two to three years we have a player like Thomas from the NE Patriots. Ayers has experience moving around and playing in multiply spots in front seven, but will need to work on his technique and learn to place in space against TE and RB in the NFL.

It not a bad pick but it not going to be a player that immediately is penciled in to start on day one.

Justin Smith was 267 when he was drafted.

Broncomutt · 04-26-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinCitiesBronco

Watching him pick off Stafford was fun.

Yah, and I think there was a clip of him drilling Moreno in the backfield. That was cool. I like how they both popped right back up.

Are they competitors? I have hope.

elsid13 · 04-26-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinCitiesBronco

Justin Smith was 267 when he was drafted.

But by the time he went to SF as FA, five years later he was 285 pounds.

TDmvp · 04-26-2009, 02:55 PM

Comparing Ayers to a Bengal doesn't help confidence.

521 1N5 · 04-26-2009, 03:23 PM

This was a great pick- I love it!

chrisp · 04-26-2009, 03:57 PM

Check out the videos on nfl.com - Mike Mayock makes a statement (from before the draft) that he thinks in three years time he's going to be seen as the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!

No there's no law that says you have to believe everything Mayock says...but you better be sure you know your effin' onions if you're going to disagree with him....

I like the pick....

Inkana7 · 04-26-2009, 04:42 PM

I like the pick. He says Coach Martindale called him personally, so he's going to be a LB.

Fun Fact: He was on Tennessee's 4x100m relay team.

chaz · 04-26-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisp

Check out the videos on nfl.com - Mike Mayock makes a statement (from before the draft) that he thinks in three years time he's going to be seen as the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!

No there's no law that says you have to believe everything Mayock says...but you better be sure you know your effin' onions if you're going to disagree with him....

I like the pick....

And Mayock also had Moreno as the second best offensive player in the draft behind Monroe...we got two of Mayock's top 3 in the entire draft.

Jens1893 · 04-26-2009, 05:33 PM

Anyone remember how it turned out the last time we drafted a guy to play a specific role in our DC´s system?

Hint: Jason Taylor, Jim Bates

Not a knock on Ayers, just think it´s a bit stupid to compare him to other players who played a specific role for Nolan.

Elway777 · 04-26-2009, 05:53 PM

I really don't see how Ayers fits into the 3-4. I think he is to slow to cover plus not good pass rusher for 3-4 outside linebacker. I don't think he has the size to play 5 tech defensive end. I hate to see what NFL offensives do running the ball against Denver with Ayers at De and Dumervil at linebacker on Denvers right side of the line. I Ayers tested out as one of the worst de at the combine. I think he ran somethink like 4.93 and only did 18 reps at 225.He also had a bad verticle compared to other De. I think Ayers is perfect for 4-3 LDe but not for the 3-4.

Inkana7 · 04-26-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elway777

I really don't see how Ayers fits into the 3-4. I think he is to slow to cover plus not good pass rusher for 3-4 outside linebacker. I don't think he has the size to play 5 tech defensive end. I hate to see what NFL offensives do running the ball against Denver with Ayers at De and Dumervil at linebacker on Denvers right side of the line. I Ayers tested out as one of the worst de at the combine. I think he ran somethink like 4.93 and only did 18 reps at 225.He also had a bad verticle compared to other De. I think Ayers is perfect for 4-3 LDe but not for the 3-4.

Please don't be ignorant. He'll b e a great fit at SOLB. And he's on Tennessee's 4x100m relay, so speed isn't an issue. He ran a 4.9 at the combine but is a 4.7 guy. He's incredibly versatile.

Vegas_Bronco · 04-26-2009, 06:01 PM

I LOVE THIS PICK!

Finally someone who WANTS the QB on every play.

Malcontent · 04-26-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inkana7

I like the pick. He says Coach Martindale called him personally, so he's going to be a LB.

Fun Fact: He was on Tennessee's 4x100m relay team.

They must not have any 180lb burners at Tennessee....A 270lb sprinter??

04-25-2009, 03:54 PM	#1
chickennob2 Memphian in Boston Glad to be back Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,059 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Robert Ayers = Justin Smith, Nolan's Joker I believe it was Montrose who posted some solid analysis of Nolan's defense and talked frequently about his use of Justin Smith as a "joker" who moved around all over the defense to rush the passer. Similar build, similar skillset. I think this was the thought process.

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04-25-2009, 04:00 PM	#2
lostknight In The Arena ohwaitwtf Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,362 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	I like the pick (as you can probably see from my adopt-a-bronco). I think he is the right fit for the scheme.

04-25-2009, 04:07 PM	#3
LonghornBronco Ring of Famer Hook'em Horns Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin Posts: 1,356 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	I personally think they are pegging Elvis as the Joker and Ayers will play DE opposite Markus Thomas, I like the pick by the way.

04-25-2009, 04:30 PM	#5
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,010 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Ayers at 18 is great value and addresses a need. Very well done!

04-25-2009, 04:35 PM	#6
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,267 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I don't think Ayers can play the DE in a 3-4 all the time. In fact, if they just keep him as a DE in a 3-4 and that's it, I don't see Ayers being anything that great. He simply isn't big enough to play exclusively the DE in a 3-4. I think as some others have suggested, the Broncos will mix their defenses up and Ayers will move around. I believe that's what they should do at least.

04-25-2009, 04:50 PM	#8
TennBronco Ducatisti Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 167	Ayers has an unbelievable motor and one of the strongest players I've seen...put a few pounds on him and he'll fit in the DE spot in a 3-4 nicely.

04-25-2009, 06:10 PM	#9
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04-26-2009, 04:33 AM	#10
TennBronco Ducatisti Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 167	Don't worry about the one-year-wonder tag Ayers has been recieving. As bad as our offense was this past season, he got plenty of experience. So much so, that he burned his sixth year of eligibility.

04-26-2009, 06:44 AM	#12
Bronco Boy Avid Ambien Abuser It all makes so much sense! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	Watching him pick off Stafford was fun.

04-26-2009, 02:55 PM	#16
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,049	Comparing Ayers to a Bengal doesn't help confidence.

04-26-2009, 03:23 PM	#17
521 1N5 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 970	This was a great pick- I love it!

04-26-2009, 03:57 PM	#18
chrisp Friend of the unsung Not into the football......yet Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 1,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Danny Trevathan	Check out the videos on nfl.com - Mike Mayock makes a statement (from before the draft) that he thinks in three years time he's going to be seen as the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!! No there's no law that says you have to believe everything Mayock says...but you better be sure you know your effin' onions if you're going to disagree with him.... I like the pick....

04-26-2009, 04:42 PM	#19
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,229 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	I like the pick. He says Coach Martindale called him personally, so he's going to be a LB. Fun Fact: He was on Tennessee's 4x100m relay team.

04-26-2009, 05:33 PM	#21
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	Anyone remember how it turned out the last time we drafted a guy to play a specific role in our DC´s system? Hint: Jason Taylor, Jim Bates Not a knock on Ayers, just think it´s a bit stupid to compare him to other players who played a specific role for Nolan.

04-26-2009, 05:53 PM	#22
Elway777 Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,886	I really don't see how Ayers fits into the 3-4. I think he is to slow to cover plus not good pass rusher for 3-4 outside linebacker. I don't think he has the size to play 5 tech defensive end. I hate to see what NFL offensives do running the ball against Denver with Ayers at De and Dumervil at linebacker on Denvers right side of the line. I Ayers tested out as one of the worst de at the combine. I think he ran somethink like 4.93 and only did 18 reps at 225.He also had a bad verticle compared to other De. I think Ayers is perfect for 4-3 LDe but not for the 3-4.

04-26-2009, 06:01 PM	#24
Vegas_Bronco Ring of Famer Fear is a lack of preparation. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 63 Yards Out Posts: 4,024 Adopt-a-Bronco: 1 Elam 1	I LOVE THIS PICK! Finally someone who WANTS the QB on every play.