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Old 04-25-2009, 02:03 AM   #1
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Default Broncos want a 1st rounder for Scheffler

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After the Philadelphia Eagles failed to execute a trade for tight end Tony Gonzalez, they called the Broncos to seek a trade for tight end Tony Scheffler.

But barring the unlikely event the Eagles surrender a first-round pick for Scheffler, the Broncos won't listen.

The Eagles offered only a third-round pick to Kansas City for Gonzalez, the all-time career leader among tight ends in nearly every receiving category. Gonzalez was instead traded to Atlanta for a second-round pick in 2010.

It might be argued Scheffler, at 26, has more trade value than Gonzalez, at 33. Scheffler will make $535,000 this year, while Gonzalez is the league's highest- paid tight end at $7 million. Scheffler led all tight ends with a 16.1-yards-per-catch average last season while Gonzalez averaged 11.0 yards per catch.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:13 AM   #2
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good news is that scheffler apparently is not going to be traded...
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:15 AM   #3
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If we can get a 1st for him I will do cartwheels off my roof and onto I-25!!!
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:17 AM   #4
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That article has to be B.S. In what world is Scheffler worth a 1st rd pick when Winslow went for a mid/late 2nd. Even with the salary involved Scheffler is worth the same as Winslow at best. I would still rather have Winslow in a heartbeat over Scheffler. Plus Scheffler wants out of Denver and McDaniels system allegedly won't use him. Those additional negatives lead to McDaniels having no leverage in a trade.
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I expect Scheff to be traded today.
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That article has to be B.S. In what world is Scheffler worth a 1st rd pick when Winslow went for a mid/late 2nd. Even with the salary involved Scheffler is worth the same as Winslow at best. I would still rather have Winslow in a heartbeat over Scheffler. Plus Scheffler wants out of Denver and McDaniels system allegedly won't use him. Those additional negatives lead to McDaniels having no leverage in a trade.
we thought the Cutler crap and all the possible negatives would put a dent in us getting 2-1st rounders for Jay, but it didn't. when it comes down to good young talent, teams will pay what they have to, to acquire it.

also in the world where Kellen "I'm a Soldier" Winslow isn't that great and has had 2 or 3 staph infections is a head case, has bad knees, has only played in 40 or so games since he was drafted, is why Scheff is worth more.

and your thoughts about how McDaniels system not calling for a TE like Scheff or that he wants out of Denver are strikes against us getting what we want for him are crazy. the fact that his salary is 535,000 means we can keep him on the bench with no problems until we get what we want for him.

and i know Scheff's injury history will be brought up but he has still only actually missed something like 5 or 6 games to injury.
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I expect Scheff to be traded today.
i agree. i also expect we end draft weeked with either Sanchez or Quinn.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:47 AM   #8
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we thought the Cutler crap and all the possible negatives would put a dent in us getting 2-1st rounders for Jay, but it didn't. when it comes down to good young talent, teams will pay what they have to, to acquire it.

also in the world where Kellen "I'm a Soldier" Winslow isn't that great and has had 2 or 3 staph infections is a head case, has bad knees, has only played in 40 or so games since he was drafted, is why Scheff is worth more.

and your thoughts about how McDaniels system not calling for a TE like Scheff or that he wants out of Denver are strikes against us getting what we want for him are crazy. the fact that his salary is 535,000 means we can keep him on the bench with no problems until we get what we want for him.

and i know Scheff's injury history will be brought up but he has still only actually missed something like 5 or 6 games to injury.
You make some good points about Winslows injuries and you are right I will bring up the fact that Scheffler is a player who gets nicked easily. Winslow is still the superior player by far and is worth at least what TB gave up to get Winslow. Perhaps we will get a future 1st for him but I really doubt it.
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Also I never thought the Cutler crap would hurt his value because his trade had no precedent (I am excluding Jeff George). Personally I think Denver could have gotten more but that is just speculation on my part.

I thought he was worth 2 number 1's a number 2 and a number 3. I don't consider Orton's value to be a number 2. I also don't consider the Bears number 1's to be that valuable since next years will likely be in the mid 20's.
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I'd be over the moon with a 2nd, nevermind a first.
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That makes Simms and our long snapper a real bargain.
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Scheff's trade value is a little higher when you consider he isn't an expensive option. Winslow and Gonzo are each $7m a year players!
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We aren't getting a 1st for Tony freakin Scheffler.
If some team is dumb enough to, buy all means go ahead and do it because good lord that is a damn steal.
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Old 04-25-2009, 03:32 AM   #14
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Some people are missing the point.

The article isn't bull****, neither is the Broncos stance on their asking price.

I hope we're taking a similar stance on the asking prices for other players who may be available because in real terms this draft is pretty weak, thus affecting the value of veterans to rookies.
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Jeremy freaking Shockey was traded for less.

Jesus.
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the title of the thread says the broncos want a 1st rounder than the article says the broncos won't trade him for a first what is it?
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the title of the thread says the broncos want a 1st rounder than the article says the broncos won't trade him for a first what is it?
But barring the unlikely event the Eagles surrender a first-round pick for Scheffler, the Broncos won't listen.

That means they will listen if they're offered a 1st.
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Looks like the Eagles were willing to part with a third for Gonzo and are interested in Schefler. We asked for a first. Seems like we are negotiating towards a second for him. I do think he has better trade value than Gonzo due to his age and salary and is worth at least as much as Winslow.
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But barring the unlikely event the Eagles surrender a first-round pick for Scheffler, the Broncos won't listen.

That means they will listen if they're offered a 1st.
Ya think?

Scheffler is one of the very few TE's in the NFL who can stretch a defense like a wide receiver. In fact I think he could play WR if needed. His 16 ypc avg. is nothing to sneeze at. The idea that this system we're going to be using can't find a way to take advantage of his skill set is bizarre. Jeb Putzier was probably brought in here to take his place because I also expect him to be traded.

If they manage to get a 1st rounder for Scheff I'll take back all the nasty things I've said about little hoodie the last month.

It's more likely he gets cut outright than we get a #1 for him. We might get a 4th rounder if we're lucky.
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scheffler is so underrated, its sick. but i do expect he will get traded. probably for a 2nd and 6th/7th.
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Ya think?

Scheffler is one of the very few TE's in the NFL who can stretch a defense like a wide receiver. In fact I think he could play WR if needed. His 16 ypc avg. is nothing to sneeze at. The idea that this system we're going to be using can't find a way to take advantage of his skill set is bizarre. Jeb Putzier was probably brought in here to take his place because I also expect him to be traded.

If they manage to get a 1st rounder for Scheff I'll take back all the nasty things I've said about little hoodie the last month.

It's more likely he gets cut outright than we get a #1 for him. We might get a 4th rounder if we're lucky.
They won't cut him, he has to much talent at low cost. Plus he is a defense coordinators nightmare. Denver comes out in ace set with Marshall, Royal,Graham and Scheff. If the defense comes out in base 4/3 or 3/4 then the team audibles to spread look with Scheff outside Royal in the slot. How defense does cover that? Or if team comes in nickle or dime package then Denver stay tight and runs the ball. Scheff give McKid options similar to what Dallas Clark gives Indy.
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Maybe they're asking that absurd price knowing full well nobody will take him off their hands, and he'll remain a Bronco?

And if someone IS crazy enough to give us a first, so be it.
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