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Old 04-23-2009, 08:45 AM   #1
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Why isn't this dude getting more attention in here? I hate UT too...but I'm trying to get beyond my own bias here...this guy's a freaking beast.

This draft has suspect value in the top 10 picks. Is there a single player there that's a can't miss guy? I don't see one. I do however, see a guy here that has the physical talent to dominate where we need it most, in the pass rush, and when you get right down to it, this guy's the nearest thing in the draft to Shawne Merriman. Physically, if you're looking at pure athletic talent and the potential for stardom, nobody in this draft has what Brian Orakpo has. When Merriman came out he measured 6'4:, 272, put up 25 reps in the BP and ran a 4.64 forty. By contrast, Orakpo goes 6'3 1/2", 263, ran 4.7 and put up 31 reps, plus a 39 1/2" vertical...good enough for 1st, 6th and 1st respectively among the LB's. He tweaked a hamstring and didn't do the other agility drills, however he did perform drills at the Texas pro day and reported blew scouts away.

Close enough.

This guy's a physical freak with a 515 pound BP. He's got 8% body fat and looks like he's cut from granite. He built himself up from 210 pounds as a freshman basketball player when he got to UT...basketball requires some nice agility. He performed on the field also so he's not just a workout warrior. Freshman All American, ...last year with 42 tackles, 4 forced fumbles, 30 pressures, and 11.5 sacks (6th in the nation). He won the Lombardi for the country’s best lineman, the Hendricks Award for best defensive end, and The Nagurski Trophy for the nation’s top defensive player. He was 1st team All-American and Big 12 Player of the Year.

Except for the fact that he played where Tim Crowder did...what's not to like? Every 3-4 OLB in the nation is a question mark and most have nowhere near the size, speed and strength this guy does. He's apparently got a great work ethic also. He even did well on the Wonderlic (25)...so there you have it.

If he's there at #12, and we don't do something stupid like taking Sanchez, how could we do better if we're looking for a pass rusher? I'm thinking he might be worth moving up a few spots for. If he's there at 8, and we could move the 12th pick and that 3rd we got from Chicago...why not?

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Old 04-23-2009, 08:49 AM   #2
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Ask Drek. He will explain the "TEXAS way" to you.
Physical superhuman beast, ABSOLUTELY NO football smarts.
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I brought this up a few times in the draft thread: too many Texas haters so all everyone here ignores the good prospects out of spite.

You can make the case that the guy comes from a program that doesn't teach their players technique and instead relies heavily on athleticism, but that's how most of the players in the draft are anyway.
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Ask Drek. He will explain the "TEXAS way" to you.
Physical superhuman beast, ABSOLUTELY NO football smarts.
I´ve seen Med raise similar doubts about UT prospects. And he actually based it on prospects drafted in the past few years.
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He is a freak specimen but he won't be there at 12 so it doesn't matter
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He is a top 5 pick. that is why no one is talking about him.
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:59 AM   #7
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He would be a merriman type player if we could manage to get him. Needs to develope some more moves though but the physical part is there.
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Why isn't this dude getting more attention in here? I hate UT too...but I'm trying to get beyond my own bias here...this guy's a freaking beast.

This draft has suspect value in the top 10 picks. Is there a single player there that's a can't miss guy? I don't see one. I do however, see a guy here that has the physical talent to dominate where we need it most, in the pass rush, and when you get right down to it, this guy's the nearest thing in the draft to Shawne Merriman. Physically, if you're looking at pure athletic talent and the potential for stardom, nobody in this draft has what Brian Orakpo has. When Merriman came out he measured 6'4:, 272, put up 25 reps in the BP and ran a 4.64 forty. By contrast, Orakpo goes 6'3 1/2", 263, ran 4.7 and put up 31 reps, plus a 39 1/2" vertical...good enough for 1st, 6th and 1st respectively among the LB's. He tweaked a hamstring and didn't do the other agility drills, however he did perform drills at the Texas pro day and reported blew scouts away.

Close enough.

This guy's a physical freak with a 515 pound BP. He's got 8% body fat and looks like he's cut from granite. He built himself up from 210 pounds as a freshman basketball player when he got to UT...basketball requires some nice agility. He performed on the field also so he's not just a workout warrior. Freshman All American, ...last year with 42 tackles, 4 forced fumbles, 30 pressures, and 11.5 sacks (6th in the nation). He won the Lombardi for the country’s best lineman, the Hendricks Award for best defensive end, and The Nagurski Trophy for the nation’s top defensive player. He was 1st team All-American and Big 12 Player of the Year.

Except for the fact that he played where Tim Crowder did...what's not to like? Every 3-4 OLB in the nation is a question mark and most have nowhere near the size, speed and strength this guy does. He's apparently got a great work ethic also. He even did well on the Wonderlic (25)...so there you have it.

If he's there at #12, and we don't do something stupid like taking Sanchez, how could we do better if we're looking for a pass rusher? I'm thinking he might be worth moving up a few spots for. If he's there at 8, and we could move the 12th pick and that 3rd we got from Chicago...why not?

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I've seen a little bit of film on him. Like others have said - - - The highlights are pretty impressive. The lowlights suggest he has very little technique and no clue what he's supposed to be doing.
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exactly.... Look at big bad Vince Young, Selvin Young, Cedric Benson, a case could be made about Ricky Williams, but he was the man before he lost his mind, and the list can go on.

UT players are great college players, but rarley amount to anything because they have no mental skill. In the NFL every guy around you is superhuman, that doesn't cut it anymore, you gotta be smart. Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison didn't succeed because they are gifted like B-Marsh or Randy Moss (size wise) They were smart players who out played their opponents mentally, UT does not teach this.
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Yeah I do-Do you? Mike Mamula would be great as a 3-4 OLB. Mike Mamula was a great player at BC before the combine. Orakpo could have sat out the combine and been a top 10 pick.
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i like Orakpo...

many people want to call him the next Vernon Gholston...

2 things about that:

1. He's not Vernon Gholston...

2. Gholston has played 1 yr and people already call him a bust?...Didn't people do the same thing with Mario Williams?...
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Mayock broke down some film on Orakpo and when he's in a three technique and all he has to do is rush the QB, he's great. But Mayock showed him getting swallowed up on run plays to his side.

Basically, Mayock thinks the guy has talent, he just doesn't know if he'll transition well to the NFL, esp if he has to drop back into space or play the run to his side.
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Med was actually kind of high on Orakpo. Not the typical UT prospect. And while many people are quick to point out guys like Vince Young and Tim Crowder... they forget about guys like Priest Holmes, Leonard Davis (at OG), and Shaun Rogers. And for every Michael Huff there is a Michael Griffin. Quintten Jammer... Nathan Vasher. Ross seems to be a heck of a player. I'd consider moving up a bit for Orakpo. And, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that Orakpo is high on the Broncos board. Thing is, we need somebody on the other side of him, therefore guys like Cushing are more valuable to us.
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This guy couldnt even beat Crowder out of the starting position at Texas... need I say more.
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Mayock broke down some film on Orakpo and when he's in a three technique and all he has to do is rush the QB, he's great. But Mayock showed him getting swallowed up on run plays to his side.

Basically, Mayock thinks the guy has talent, he just doesn't know if he'll transition well to the NFL, esp if he has to drop back into space or play the run to his side.
maybe...but him on one side and doom on the other rushing the passer = very little need to blitz...

i'd be willing to coach him on his other areas if he can help us with that...
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Yeah I do-Do you? Mike Mamula would be great as a 3-4 OLB. Mike Mamula was a great player at BC before the combine. Orakpo could have sat out the combine and been a top 10 pick.
Yes, you are right.....Mamula was great in college....but an enormous bust in the NFL.

That's the point of the discussion....no one is arguing that Orakpo has been great in college......
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This guy couldnt even beat Crowder out of the starting position at Texas... need I say more.
Damn. Even his dog felt that one.
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There's alot of USC love here and alot of Texas hate. Anyone's guess as to why that is the case because just as many overhyped athletes bust from USC as anywhere in the nation.

I saw alot of Orakpo here, and he is certainly a game changer. He's the best DE prospect in the draft. He showed up with force and ferocity against the big schools. I think that he has the motivation to make a difference in the NFL...its just a matter of time.

As an Oklahoma fan, I hated Orakpo. That should tell you a little about him.
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I brought this up a few times in the draft thread: too many Texas haters so all everyone here ignores the good prospects out of spite.

You can make the case that the guy comes from a program that doesn't teach their players technique and instead relies heavily on athleticism, but that's how most of the players in the draft are anyway.
You do the same to USC guys!!!!! Cali hater Embrace the love, Kaylore, sunshine is a good thing
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Ever notice how every year a hand full of players are hyped by everybody connected with the game of football yet there is always a player or two that gets picked high that was hardly ever mentioned and later we find out he was high on every teams draft board. Seems like these guys are purposely not mentioned.
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There's alot of USC love here and alot of Texas hate. Anyone's guess as to why that is the case because just as many overhyped athletes bust from USC as anywhere in the nation.

I saw alot of Orakpo here, and he is certainly a game changer. He's the best DE prospect in the draft. He showed up with force and ferocity against the big schools. I think that he has the motivation to make a difference in the NFL...its just a matter of time.

As an Oklahoma fan, I hated Orakpo. That should tell you a little about him.
Nice prespective...you are probly right to some degree. I think of REY REY and I think of all the greats like Seau, Mcginnist, Polamaulal, Lott, Rivers....etc. I think Texas and all that comes to mind is Crowder... that still burns.
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Ever notice how every year a hand full of players are hyped by everybody connected with the game of football yet there is always a player or two that gets picked high that was hardly ever mentioned and later we find out he was high on every teams draft board. Seems like these guys are purposely not mentioned.
Yah, no one is really talking about Orakpo... makes you wonder if he's the sleeping giant of the draft...
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