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View Poll Results: Who was the worse DC in the Shanahan era?
Greg Robenson 0 0%
Ray Rohdes 6 5.83%
Coyer 2 1.94%
Bates 7 6.80%
Slowick 88 85.44%
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:12 AM   #1
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:16 AM   #2
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Slowick -- Why? He was in charge of the worst Broncos defense that I have ever witnessed.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:20 AM   #3
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Slowik. No question. Last season's capitulations were unforgivable.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:21 AM   #4
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If Bates was truly the one responsible for the Moss and Crowder selections, then I'd go with him. His scheme wasn't right from the start and the complete switch they had to make to try to run it really screwed them.

Slowik was by no means a great DC, but I don't think anyone could've been successful given (1) the schematic mess that had to be cleaned up after Bates got neutered and (2) the obvious lack of talent he was given to work with (all 7 "starters" that were let go in the last few months are all still unemployed).
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:22 AM   #5
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Slowick. The guy is a good DBs coach, and a terrible DC.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:28 AM   #6
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I knew the second he was promoted to the offical DC, we were in big trouble. I have been watching Bronco football for over 20 years and that (2008) was the worst D I can recall.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:30 AM   #7
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Slowick and Bates... Hell, every defensive move post Coyer was a trainwreck.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:36 AM   #8
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I'm still waiting for Alec and Popps to admit they were wrong about Coyer.

Bates is actually a good coordinator. He's had success before. But we didn't have the players to run his defense and he's not a great GM.

It's obviously Slowick. Promoted because people like him and not because of his skills, Slowick turned this defense into one of the worst ever. And its the same thing he's done every time he's been a coordinator. His philosophies are horrible and his defenses set franchise records for "worst" in several categories everywhere he goes. Losing Slowick alone made us a better team.
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Slowick, hands down. Last year's collapse made NFL history.
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Greg Robinson might not even get a vote in this poll....which is amazing seeing as how he would have gotten the majority about 5 years ago.

Just shows you how bad Slowick and Bates really were.
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Greg Robinson might not even get a vote in this poll....which is amazing seeing as how he would have gotten the majority about 5 years ago.

Just shows you how bad Slowick and Bates really were.
that is what I wanted to see when I made the poll, if anyone would vote for Greg Robinson. Oh how we all hated him back then.On the DPO it was epic. I think it was even a part of the reason TJ created this site ??,

Yet with the exception of Coyer all have been worse.
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The person most responsible for the worst defense in the Shanahan era is Shanahan.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:56 AM   #13
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At least spell Robinson's name right. He did win two super bowls as the DC...
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:58 AM   #14
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Well, saying Robinson wasn't that bad is like polishing a turd and saying its a diamond. Its still a turd.
Robinson had the most talent on defense of all of them IMO and had the luxury of a more balanced offense attack.
There is a reason why he doesn't have a NFL job right now.
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At least spell Robinson's name right. He did win two super bowls as the DC...
Pretty funny. Of the five names listed on the poll, only two are spelled right.
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Slowick.

I actually felt ashamed watching us play at times last year, something that I never felt before. Under Bates we had some awful displays, and generally it wasn't pretty, but the consistency at which we sucked last year was a whole new level.

All bar maybe 4 or 5 games under Slowick our defense was a complete and utter disgrace.
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Pretty funny. Of the five names listed on the poll, only two are spelled right.
and OP was one of the most vocal for letting Cutler go....



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Anyone voting for someone OTHER than Slowick is missing it...

It's Slowick and it's not even close...

Rhodes and Bates were both nightmares but they have had success in this league as DCs...but they weren't good at adjusting their schemes to match our players at the time...Coyer and Robinson both actually had success with Denver at times, but O-coordinators soon figured them out...

Slowick quite frankly just didn't have any idea what he was doing...

People want to excuse Slowick because of the players we had, but the players was only half the problem...I have never seen a scheme that put players in a position to make plays SO FEW TIMES...

Last year's defense was WITHOUT QUESTION, the worst defense in Broncos history...Slowick had to be held accountable for that...
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Pretty funny. Of the five names listed on the poll, only two are spelled right.
Consider the source.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:59 AM   #20
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Shanny's undoing was Rhodes's hiring.

He tried to completely change the personnel of the D, failed, and put the Defensive side of the team into a hole it never climbed out of.

Not saying he's a bad coach. But the instability on D was what was Shanny's greatest flaw. That instability started with the hiring of Rhodes.

AND OF COURSE I VOTED FOR SLO DICK
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Slowick.

3 & 20 or so against Miami late in the game. Pennington can't even throw it 20 yards, so we blitz (3rd blitz called in 8 weeks), and the rest is history.

But, it was Jay's fault.
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I'm still waiting for Alec and Popps to admit they were wrong about Coyer.

Bates is actually a good coordinator. He's had success before. But we didn't have the players to run his defense and he's not a great GM.

It's obviously Slowick. Promoted because people like him and not because of his skills, Slowick turned this defense into one of the worst ever. And its the same thing he's done every time he's been a coordinator. His philosophies are horrible and his defenses set franchise records for "worst" in several categories everywhere he goes. Losing Slowick alone made us a better team.
Wrong? What exactly were we wrong about?

Coyer was the best DC of that bunch, but that doesnt mean we were wrong about him and his lack of ability to adjust to the changing offenses he faced. By no means was he a horrible DC, but he also certainly had his flaws. He had more talent than any of the DCs save Robinson to work with but once he was figured out, Denver was beaten every time.

He was excellent in the first half of the season, but was epic fail down the stretch of every season.

Was that his fault? I dont know. I know that when you get beat on the same out pattern because you have your CB playing 7 yards off every time over and over and over again and you dont change at any point, its madness. MADNESS i tell you.

That being said, I would rather have Coyer than Slowik or Bates. But Jesus it doesnt take a genius to figure that out. With that in mind, there are about 12 other guys Id rather have than Coyer and we got one of them now (though he's only marginally better than Coyer IMO).

Further, do you think Bates or even Slowik for that matter, would have had more success than they did if they had Coyer's players?
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Shanny's undoing was Rhodes's hiring.

He tried to completely change the personnel of the D, failed, and put the Defensive side of the team into a hole it never climbed out of.

Not saying he's a bad coach. But the instability on D was what was Shanny's greatest flaw. That instability started with the hiring of Rhodes.

AND OF COURSE I VOTED FOR SLO DICK
Shanahan's average defensive ranking is 11... as an offensive minded coach... including last year's debacle.

The only HC in recent times that touches that ranking is Bill Cowher who spent the majority of his career working with one of the most brilliant defensive minds in NFL history.
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Consider the source.
Well if it ain't the resident judge.

Is there a word for people that trash others in order to not feel quite so pathetic about themselves Professor?
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Well between Slowick and Slowick, I'm gonna go with....Slowick.
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