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Old 04-20-2009, 07:00 AM   #1
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Head Coach or Quarterback.

it seems that this question really lies at the root of the division on the OM over Baby Jay's departure.

let me pose some hypotheticals? when the Ravens won, was Billick or Dilfer more important to the team? how about with the Steelers? Roethlisberger or Cowher/Tomlin? in NE, is it Brady or Bellichik? on the other hand, was it Reeves or Elway who earned those AFC championships all those years ago?

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Old 04-20-2009, 07:01 AM   #2
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Coach. He picks what players play.
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:06 AM   #3
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:29 AM   #4
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Head Coach or Quarterback.

it seems that this question really lies at the root of the division on the OM over Baby Jay's departure.

let me pose some hypotheticals? when the Ravens won, was Billick or Dilfer more important to the team? how about with the Steelers? Roethlisberger or Cowher/Tomlin? in NE, is it Brady or Bellichik?

i think the answer is obvious. it's ALWAYS the head coach that is more valuable to the team and most responsible for winning. i don't understand the Cutler fans who insist that without Jay, there is no chance of ever winning another game. and the slights against McD are just silly. McD will prove himself to be a competent HC here, IMHO.
What I don't get is Cutler haters who say he is a bad QB because he had a 17-20 record.

The head coach is obviously more important than the QB, likewise the defense is more important than the QB and I would go as far as saying the other 10 offensive players are more important as well.
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:33 AM   #5
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:02 AM   #6
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Please try to oversimply this question.

I guess Barry Switzer was the reason the Cowboys won that last ring, right?

You can find plenty of examples of medicore QBs that have success as well as mediocre coaches that have success.
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Please try to oversimply this question.

I guess Barry Switzer was the reason the Cowboys won that last ring, right?

You can find plenty of examples of medicore QBs that have success as well as mediocre coaches that have success.
that's an exception that proves the rule. much like Tomlin taking over the team Cowher built and winning a championship in the next year.

i should have had a 3rd choice. how about the GM?

is HC > GM or GM > HC?
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I'm going to say QB, but the Coach affects the QB.

The QB is actually in the game.

But the coach also controls all aspects of the team, not just passing the ball.

Too simple of a question.
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I'm going to say QB, but the Coach affects the QB.

The QB is actually in the game.

But the coach also controls all aspects of the team, not just passing the ball.

Too simple of a question.
ok, who's more important.

a good GM, a good HC, or a franchise QB?
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:53 AM   #10
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Players ultimately win the games...coaches can hinder the talent they have (Dan Reeves not building a 49ers /LA Rams style attack while in Denver) and that talent can still overcome ineptitude (see barry switzer's SB victory). Take Tom Brady off the Pats and they are tantamount to a Jake Plummer/Shanny led Broncos team--solid and effective but not going to win any championships. Put John Elway on those Shanny teams and they win SB's. Give Bellicheat Vinny T or Cassel and he can make the playoffs. Coaches can make a team good but the quarterback can make a team GREAT. I fear that we may have lost a potential great one......
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:57 AM   #11
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Head Coach or Quarterback.

it seems that this question really lies at the root of the division on the OM over Baby Jay's departure.

let me pose some hypotheticals? when the Ravens won, was Billick or Dilfer more important to the team? how about with the Steelers? Roethlisberger or Cowher/Tomlin? in NE, is it Brady or Bellichik? on the other hand, was it Reeves or Elway who earned those AFC championships all those years ago?
Josh has made this about him. So, with that, he bears the greater burden by far.
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ok, who's more important.

a good GM, a good HC, or a franchise QB?
Too simple a question.

I'd go for franchcise QB being more expedient simple because a good coach is easier to find, but a good coach is more vital to a teams overall success.
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Quarterback no doubt. Mike Shanahan was one of the best coaches of all time IMO and he never got to a SB without a franchise QB. Bill Belicheck was just some no name until Bledsoe got hurt and lucked into Tom Brady.

Unless you have a top 5 of all time defense you won't win a SB if you don't have a franchise QB.

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Old 04-20-2009, 09:19 AM   #14
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Three units have to play together. The QB is only responsible for one of the three. The Head coach is responsible for all of them. Pretty obvious.
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Obviously, the HC is the most important factor in a team's ability to consistently win, year in and year out. Examples: Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Chuck Knoll, Tom Landry just to name a few.

When you have a talented QB to implement the HC's offense, and both QB and HC are on the same page, then you have the potential to win a lot of games.
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The coaching staff as a whole has the most impact.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:36 AM   #18
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Three units have to play together. The QB is only responsible for one of the three. The Head coach is responsible for all of them. Pretty obvious.
Yup, the HC has to put together the three units, therefore the HC is most important.

It's definitely a three unit game. Every year, the best three unit teams win in the playoffs.
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EVERYTHING rises and falls on leadership...everything.

It begins at the top...ownership. It's no accident that the same franchises win consistently and lose consistently, and it spans coaches and QB's over many years. Yes there are ups and downs, but if you look at the consistent winners and loses, it's the ownership and front office that get it done on the bottom line.
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Old 04-20-2009, 10:07 AM   #21
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Please try to oversimply this question.

I guess Barry Switzer was the reason the Cowboys won that last ring, right?

You can find plenty of examples of medicore QBs that have success as well as mediocre coaches that have success.
Exactly.

Completely depends on the situation.
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Please try to oversimply this question.

I guess Barry Switzer was the reason the Cowboys won that last ring, right?

You can find plenty of examples of medicore QBs that have success as well as mediocre coaches that have success.
I get your point but Switzer's not the best example to use. Picking the most talented team in the last quarter century that was handed intact and coming off a Superbowl win hardly defines the norm. If anything, Switzer failing to win the '94 Superbowl is more indicative of the importance of the coach. Mediocrity at QB or coach is a major impediment to winning consistently. Ownership and executive decision making by the FO is still the consistent factor however.
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wait, did you say winning or whining? Cuz if its' winning, it's joint effort by the team, GM and coach (it is a team sport afterall...and even if you just look at the players, I would say team-all, but QB certainly has strong influence, but it isnt his game to win alone...when he tries, we lose). If it's whining, then I say QB.
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Josh has made this about him. So, with that, he bears the greater burden by far.
It will always be about the coach.....if it weren't, Shanny would still be in Denver.

But keep on hating like a jilted schoolgirl, .....it suits you.
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