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View Poll Results: WHICH DO YOU THINK?
JAY CUTLER will go to Pro Bowl(s) as a Chicago Bear after JOSH McDANIELS is gone from Denver 29 58.00%
JOSH McDANIELS will still be with the Broncos after JAY CUTLER has gone to his last Pro Bowl 21 42.00%
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:31 PM   #1
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Default JAY vs. JOSH: For the Record, Which Will Happen Last?

This is my LAST WORD (basically) on the Jay vs. Josh thing .... I'm gonna clam up Friday night at midnight - one week before the draft.

So PICK ONE ... it's either one or the other. And in many ways, the winner of the trade will be determined by which of these choices becomes reality ....
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:33 PM   #2
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Posters letting the entire thing go will be the last to happen.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:33 PM   #3
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doesnt matter. cutler did not want to be in denver as evidenced by the entire situation, and mcdaniels is still here and still the coach.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:35 PM   #4
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I think it matters a lot ... in some ways, this will decide the winner of the trade.

Besides, I wanna get folks on the record ... I will revisit this in years to come.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:38 PM   #5
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uhmm....its already happened.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:39 PM   #6
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uhmm....its already happened.
You think Jay will never make the Pro Bowl again ... really?
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:39 PM   #7
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I think it matters a lot ... in some ways, this will decide the winner of the trade.

Besides, I wanna get folks on the record ... I will revisit this in years to come.
Its problematic if youre trying to pin people down. People may pick A either because they think McDaniels will suck so bad that he will be gone really fast or they may pick A because they dont think Cutler will light it up right away. Youll have people in opposite camps picking the same answere for different reasons.
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this is such a stupid question, it doesnt decide the winner of anything. first one to the super bowl wins, everything else is rebuilding for the next year when you make another run at the super bowl.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:41 PM   #9
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doesnt matter. cutler did not want to be in denver as evidenced by the entire situation, and mcdaniels is still here and still the coach.

Perhaps he didnt want to play for the Patriot.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:41 PM   #10
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Who cares about individual accolades? If we're given a choice to go on record, let it be about winning. As opposed to these convoluted choices.
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Not that I am a Cutler fan based on his attitude, I think he has at least 10 years of on again, off again top performances. I cant say McDaniels, who is fresh and young, will still be here. You just never know regardless of his record. I am going to say that both will be successful and Broncos will be the winner of the trade but Chicago will be happy with the pickup. Of course contract time could be a whole new drama. Will his personality (disorders) ruin his time with Chicago? As the World Turns.....
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I think it matters a lot ... in some ways, this will decide the winner of the trade.

Besides, I wanna get folks on the record ... I will revisit this in years to come.
no it wont. I choose 1 only based on the narrow questions. It doesnt answer anything but LA Times is interested in your work for their next slanted poll question.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:48 PM   #13
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Who cares about individual accolades? If we're given a choice to go on record, let it be about winning. As opposed to these convoluted choices.
I see what you're saying ... but QBs W-L records can be very deceiving. The Pro Bowl is a better barometer of whether a guy is among the best 4 or 5 QBs in the game ... and I think Jay will be that long after Josh is out.

And tsiguy ... fine. you don't like the poll, then don't vote.

It's definitely not a perfect poll, but it has some relevance.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:55 PM   #14
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Option 1. Jay goes on to succeed in Chicago.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:57 PM   #15
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I just want the Broncos to win
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:02 PM   #16
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I don't think we'll see another coach given the time that Shanny was. Bowlen has been fundamentally changed by the that experience. He's never going to have that kind of patience again, especially since he's getting older. McDaniels wll get 3 years to build a top 5 team and if he doesn't he'll be on his way out of town.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:15 PM   #17
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First off, going to the Pro Bowl as a QB isn't necessarily a sign of anything. I won't bore you with a recent list, but we've had some real duds show up there.
Clearly, Cutler didn't deserve to be there this season.

In the NFC, unless Warner has another big year, it'll be Brees in the Pro Bowl, with a couple of guys in the Romo/Eli/Rogers range potentially going in with them.

Meaning, Cutler could put up another "great" season like last year... throw for a lot of yardage, mediocre TD/INT ratio, and make the Pro Bowl due to not much competition.

So, him landing in a Pro Bowl really won't concern me.

Again, I'm interested in wins, at this point. Not winning because of a quarterback, or fantasy football statistics.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:47 PM   #18
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I always felt that Jay will have a very successful career. IMO at the very least he will have a career similar to Steve McNair or Hasselback. If he improves his game at the rate he has done in the first 3 years for a couple more years he will be a dominant player at his position for a 5-10 year period.

Josh on the other hand is a ? so far to me. I will have to see him coach few games before I can decide. My gut feel is that like BB and Shanny, he will learn from the mistakes but ultimately will be more successful in his second stint.

Oh I am still Broncos fan but will support Jay whem we don't play his team.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:48 AM   #19
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I have to hope that McDaniels wins enough games that the Broncos will want him as the coach for a very long time...
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:22 AM   #20
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Is it not possible that both teams win? What if Cutler is a multiple Pro Bowler, AND we get three quality starters with our Cutler picks and Orton is a solid player for us?
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:08 AM   #21
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Its problematic if youre trying to pin people down. People may pick A either because they think McDaniels will suck so bad that he will be gone really fast or they may pick A because they dont think Cutler will light it up right away. Youll have people in opposite camps picking the same answere for different reasons.
i'm looking at it this way. i think McDaniels will be gone in 4 years when his contract is up, i doubt he gets a new deal, and wouldn't surprise me if he is fired before his deal expires.

but i am looking at what i think will be happening in 5 years, and i truly feel that Jay will be a perenial pro bowler and may already have a ring or is about to get one, while we are looking for a new coach and quite possibly still looking for a franchise QB.


however, i am now in the group that is saying Jay didn't want to be here, so **** him. i also think McDaniels is a moron, but i want him to succeed and become known as a genius and incredible coach while he is in Denver and lead this team to championships again.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:47 AM   #22
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:50 AM   #23
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For the record, will Buff ever stop talking about this using stupid logic?
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:01 AM   #24
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I have a feeling Pat is going to regret not being more patient with Jay in the end. I honestly believe Jay would have reported this w/e and all of this would have been worked through once Jay and Josh started concentraiting on football and not comparing genitals.

I love the bronco's but think they made a big mistake letting a rare commodity break loose.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:05 AM   #25
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One more thing. IMO Jay was coerced by his agent to put up a stink with greed being the motivation. He even said publicly he didn't "want this" and if you read between the lines what he left out, "I wanted a new contract". Who knows maybe this was verballized behind closed doors and Pat couldn't afford it....
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