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Old 04-12-2009, 08:19 PM   #1
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So, by chance, I turn on the NFL Network after Dinner and the Bears are playing the Falcons on NFL Replay. So I decided to observe our new star QB.

Positives:

Arm Strength: I don't know what you nay-sayers are talking about, Orton can zip the football. No, he's not going to launch it 60 yards across field, but in terms of velocity, there won't be any problems. He can throw the ball and throw it hard.

Quick Release: He gets the ball out fast. Chicago's protection wasn't the best, but Orton got the ball out so quick that Atlanta's pass rush couldn't get to him. John Abraham said something to the effect of "It felt like we would barely get out of our stances and he would already have thrown it. It was frustrating." Something like that.

Pocket Presence/Checking Down: Cutler was good at two things, extending the play and firing a ball into coverage for a big play. He rarely checked down. Orton can't extend the play as well as Cutler, but he knows when to check down when the pocket is collapsing. Usually for first downs or good gains that make first downs easier to get. Like I said, he won't get sacked much. Especially with our line.

Intelligence: Throughout the entire game I didn't see one "Cutler-esque" throw from Orton. He was smart with the football and didn't take chances in double and triple coverage like Cutler has. When the downfield throw wasn't there, he checked down to Forte or his TEs for 5-10 yards.

Clutchness: With just over a minute left, Chicago needed a TD and PAT to go ahead. Orton led the Bears down the field working the underneath routes and a 13 yard strike to Hester on 3rd down to set up a 3rd down at the Atlanta 20-25 yard line. There, he fires a beautiful corner route to Rasheed Davis with a guy draped all over him for the TD and the lead with 11 seconds left. Unfortunatly, the Bears' squib kick sucked and Matty Ice was able to fire a 20+ yard deep out with one second left and gave Elam a chance to win.

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Accuracy: When Orton had time, his accuracy was quite good. He fired the ball where only his man could get it. However, when things started collapsing, while he was able to avoid the pressure, he was hurried and the pass wasn't as accurate.

Playmaking: While I have faith in Orton to be an efficent, effective QB in McDaniels' system, he won't make those "Holy **** that was crazy" plays that Cutler has made for us in the past. He'll move the offense efficiently, safely. Just not dynamically. At least not often.

Overall, I was impressed. He's not going to WOW you on a regular basis, but he can make those impressive throws, like the TD to Davis. He's obviously not the dynamic, physical stud like Cutler, but he also won't be the guy that throws endzone picks and loses games like Cutler. He's a good QB.
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Oh, and he sucks on Fades. But he threw like 3 perfect ones against the Eagles, so I don't know. But I've seen a lot of bad fade routes from Orton. Not even long ones.
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I've looked up on him a lot recently and this was pretty much what I've been seeing of Orton. A smart, efficient QB, with a good pocket presence.

Then again, Griese had all those qualities too.
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So, by chance, I turn on the NFL Network after Dinner and the Bears are playing the Falcons on NFL Replay. So I decided to observe our new star QB.

Positives:

Arm Strength: I don't know what you nay-sayers are talking about, Orton can zip the football. No, he's not going to launch it 60 yards across field, but in terms of velocity, there won't be any problems. He can throw the ball and throw it hard.

Quick Release: He gets the ball out fast. Chicago's protection wasn't the best, but Orton got the ball out so quick that Atlanta's pass rush couldn't get to him. John Abraham said something to the effect of "It felt like we would barely get out of our stances and he would already have thrown it. It was frustrating." Something like that.

Pocket Presence/Checking Down: Cutler was good at two things, extending the play and firing a ball into coverage for a big play. He rarely checked down. Orton can't extend the play as well as Cutler, but he knows when to check down when the pocket is collapsing. Usually for first downs or good gains that make first downs easier to get. Like I said, he won't get sacked much. Especially with our line.

Intelligence: Throughout the entire game I didn't see one "Cutler-esque" throw from Orton. He was smart with the football and didn't take chances in double and triple coverage like Cutler has. When the downfield throw wasn't there, he checked down to Forte or his TEs for 5-10 yards.

Clutchness: With just over a minute left, Chicago needed a TD and PAT to go ahead. Orton led the Bears down the field working the underneath routes and a 13 yard strike to Hester on 3rd down to set up a 3rd down at the Atlanta 20-25 yard line. There, he fires a beautiful corner route to Rasheed Davis with a guy draped all over him for the TD and the lead with 11 seconds left. Unfortunatly, the Bears' squib kick sucked and Matty Ice was able to fire a 20+ yard deep out with one second left and gave Elam a chance to win.

Negatives:

Accuracy: When Orton had time, his accuracy was quite good. He fired the ball where only his man could get it. However, when things started collapsing, while he was able to avoid the pressure, he was hurried and the pass wasn't as accurate.

Playmaking: While I have faith in Orton to be an efficent, effective QB in McDaniels' system, he won't make those "Holy **** that was crazy" plays that Cutler has made for us in the past. He'll move the offense efficiently, safely. Just not dynamically. At least not often.

Overall, I was impressed. He's not going to WOW you on a regular basis, but he can make those impressive throws, like the TD to Davis. He's obviously not the dynamic, physical stud like Cutler, but he also won't be the guy that throws endzone picks and loses games like Cutler. He's a good QB.

i watched the game as well...

good breakdown and i agree with most of your sentiments...

i thought Orton looked very good...the guy was playing at a Pro Bowl level before his injury...people seem to overlook that...

as for his fades...i thought he was giving his receivers a chance to make plays one on one and his receivers weren't able to do it...if he throws those same passes to Marshall or Royal, i like our chances...

as for playmaking, yes you're right...but he';s smart enough to throw the ball away instead of forcing the ball....

Orton is smart, effecient, and a proven winner...all these yahoos saying he can't throw the out pattern have no clue of what they're talking about...
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I've looked up on him a lot recently and this was pretty much what I've been seeing of Orton. A smart, efficient QB, with a good pocket presence.

Then again, Griese had all those qualities too.
I don't think he'll injure himself by tripping over his dog or anything though...
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He has pretty much the same arm plummer had including the inaccurate deep ball but with marshall bringing down the ball that may give him some leeway...
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Sounds like he'll be a good option to hold the fort for a year or two.
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I remember the winning TD we scored against Atlanta. Highly doubt Orton couldve done that, but I guess he doesnt need to. So with Orton and McDaniels, we should be unstoppable next year.
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I remember the winning TD we scored against Atlanta. Highly doubt Orton couldve done that, but I guess he doesnt need to. So with Orton and McDaniels, we should be unstoppable next year.
Orton can make that throw. The go-ahead touchdown pass HE threw against Atlanta was more impressive.
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Not only will Orton become a pro bowl QB for us for years to come but McD will coach up Simms to the point where he brings us a first round pick in a trade in a year or two.
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Not only will Orton become a pro bowl QB for us for years to come but McD will coach up Simms to the point where he brings us a first round pick in a trade in a year or two.


So are you saying we run a 2 QB offense? How else does this happen?
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So are you saying we run a 2 QB offense? How else does this happen?
Nah With Orton at the helm we get up by three scores so mid third quarter we stick in Simms for clean up but he does so well we have a budding QB controversy so McD trades Simms for a 1st and a 3rd and drafts the next Terrell Davis of QBs with the 3rd rd pick for Simms.
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Orton can make that throw. The go-ahead touchdown pass HE threw against Atlanta was more impressive.
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he won't make those "Holy **** that was crazy" plays that Cutler has made for us in the past.
The play Cutler made against Atlanta was a "Holy **** that was carzy" play.
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The play Cutler made against Atlanta was a "Holy **** that was carzy" play.
and the plays he made against san diego when we needed him the most was.. holy **** what the hell was that play
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I watched the game. Orton looked good, the offensive gameplan was sooooooooo vanilla and lacking creativity.
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and the plays he made against san diego when we needed him the most was.. holy **** what the hell was that play
Yeah, why didn't the crybaby bltch score 53 when we needed him to?

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The play Cutler made against Atlanta was a "Holy **** that was carzy" play.
the Jets game was just ridiculous. Jay made some unbelievable, jaw-dropping across his body with dudes in his face into triple coverage throws while on the run.

Just crazy stuff.

I think Kyle will be successful in this scheme with these receivers and our line. Will be he a new Cassel or Brady phenom? remains to be seen
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Accuracy: When Orton had time, his accuracy was quite good. He fired the ball where only his man could get it. However, when things started collapsing, while he was able to avoid the pressure, he was hurried and the pass wasn't as accurate.

That sounds like basically every other QB in the league. That's why any player who can successfully sack the QB in this league is paid huge money.
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I've looked up on him a lot recently and this was pretty much what I've been seeing of Orton. A smart, efficient QB, with a good pocket presence.

Then again, Griese had all those qualities too.
minus the leadership and team mentality of Orton. our guys hated playing with Griese, and Orton's teammates have nothing but good things to say about him
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He has pretty much the same arm plummer had including the inaccurate deep ball but with marshall bringing down the ball that may give him some leeway...
if Marshall would try to model his game after Fitzgerald, we can get by with Orton just chucking it up and letting marshall go get it. Marshall has the ability to do it, now it is just a question of desire and whether he can stay out of trouble
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So, by chance, I turn on the NFL Network after Dinner and the Bears are playing the Falcons on NFL Replay. So I decided to observe our new star QB.

Positives:

Arm Strength: I don't know what you nay-sayers are talking about, Orton can zip the football. No, he's not going to launch it 60 yards across field, but in terms of velocity, there won't be any problems. He can throw the ball and throw it hard.

Quick Release: He gets the ball out fast. Chicago's protection wasn't the best, but Orton got the ball out so quick that Atlanta's pass rush couldn't get to him. John Abraham said something to the effect of "It felt like we would barely get out of our stances and he would already have thrown it. It was frustrating." Something like that.

Pocket Presence/Checking Down: Cutler was good at two things, extending the play and firing a ball into coverage for a big play. He rarely checked down. Orton can't extend the play as well as Cutler, but he knows when to check down when the pocket is collapsing. Usually for first downs or good gains that make first downs easier to get. Like I said, he won't get sacked much. Especially with our line.

Intelligence: Throughout the entire game I didn't see one "Cutler-esque" throw from Orton. He was smart with the football and didn't take chances in double and triple coverage like Cutler has. When the downfield throw wasn't there, he checked down to Forte or his TEs for 5-10 yards.

Clutchness: With just over a minute left, Chicago needed a TD and PAT to go ahead. Orton led the Bears down the field working the underneath routes and a 13 yard strike to Hester on 3rd down to set up a 3rd down at the Atlanta 20-25 yard line. There, he fires a beautiful corner route to Rasheed Davis with a guy draped all over him for the TD and the lead with 11 seconds left. Unfortunatly, the Bears' squib kick sucked and Matty Ice was able to fire a 20+ yard deep out with one second left and gave Elam a chance to win.

Negatives:

Accuracy: When Orton had time, his accuracy was quite good. He fired the ball where only his man could get it. However, when things started collapsing, while he was able to avoid the pressure, he was hurried and the pass wasn't as accurate.

Playmaking: While I have faith in Orton to be an efficent, effective QB in McDaniels' system, he won't make those "Holy **** that was crazy" plays that Cutler has made for us in the past. He'll move the offense efficiently, safely. Just not dynamically. At least not often.

Overall, I was impressed. He's not going to WOW you on a regular basis, but he can make those impressive throws, like the TD to Davis. He's obviously not the dynamic, physical stud like Cutler, but he also won't be the guy that throws endzone picks and loses games like Cutler. He's a good QB.
So what would you consider the most accurate description of Kyle Orton?

Poor Man's Matt Hasselbeck
Damon Huard
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or a less gritty Jeff Garcia?
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Orton= Brian Griese incarnate.......
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So, by chance, I turn on the NFL Network after Dinner and the Bears are playing the Falcons on NFL Replay. So I decided to observe our new star QB.

Positives:

Arm Strength: I don't know what you nay-sayers are talking about, Orton can zip the football. No, he's not going to launch it 60 yards across field, but in terms of velocity, there won't be any problems. He can throw the ball and throw it hard.

Quick Release: He gets the ball out fast. Chicago's protection wasn't the best, but Orton got the ball out so quick that Atlanta's pass rush couldn't get to him. John Abraham said something to the effect of "It felt like we would barely get out of our stances and he would already have thrown it. It was frustrating." Something like that.

Pocket Presence/Checking Down: Cutler was good at two things, extending the play and firing a ball into coverage for a big play. He rarely checked down. Orton can't extend the play as well as Cutler, but he knows when to check down when the pocket is collapsing. Usually for first downs or good gains that make first downs easier to get. Like I said, he won't get sacked much. Especially with our line.

Intelligence: Throughout the entire game I didn't see one "Cutler-esque" throw from Orton. He was smart with the football and didn't take chances in double and triple coverage like Cutler has. When the downfield throw wasn't there, he checked down to Forte or his TEs for 5-10 yards.

Clutchness: With just over a minute left, Chicago needed a TD and PAT to go ahead. Orton led the Bears down the field working the underneath routes and a 13 yard strike to Hester on 3rd down to set up a 3rd down at the Atlanta 20-25 yard line. There, he fires a beautiful corner route to Rasheed Davis with a guy draped all over him for the TD and the lead with 11 seconds left. Unfortunatly, the Bears' squib kick sucked and Matty Ice was able to fire a 20+ yard deep out with one second left and gave Elam a chance to win.

Negatives:

Accuracy: When Orton had time, his accuracy was quite good. He fired the ball where only his man could get it. However, when things started collapsing, while he was able to avoid the pressure, he was hurried and the pass wasn't as accurate.

Playmaking: While I have faith in Orton to be an efficent, effective QB in McDaniels' system, he won't make those "Holy **** that was crazy" plays that Cutler has made for us in the past. He'll move the offense efficiently, safely. Just not dynamically. At least not often.

Overall, I was impressed. He's not going to WOW you on a regular basis, but he can make those impressive throws, like the TD to Davis. He's obviously not the dynamic, physical stud like Cutler, but he also won't be the guy that throws endzone picks and loses games like Cutler. He's a good QB.
doesn't that make it sound like the Bears were idiots for trading him to get Culter?
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I watched the game also. A couple more observations.

1. Orton operates very well out of the spread offense. He's a cool head even when there is pressure. With our O-line, and the quality of our receivers, this should look pretty good. Not flashy, but efficient.
2. Orton doesn't get rattled. He doesn't burn time outs. He knows everyone's assignments and will be directing traffic until the last second. Cutler still showed some frustration against his teammates here. Often, you would see them have trouble lining up, then Cutler would burn an important time out and flip off his chinstrap in frustration. Orton just keeps directing traffic until everyone is set. I like that.

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doesn't that make it sound like the Bears were idiots for trading him to get Culter?
If the Bears are going to be running that same lame offense next year, it does seem stupid to trade for Cutler.
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