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Old 04-08-2009, 07:08 AM   #1
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Taken from Pro Football Weekly's 2005 Draft Preview:

QB Kyle Orton
(6-4, 233, 5.09) PURDUE

Notes: Also participated in basketball, tennis and track in high school. Father, Byron, played football at South Dakota. Appeared in seven games as a true freshman in 2001, including three starts, and completed 107-of-216 passes (49.5 percent) for 1,105 yards with four touchdowns and seven interceptions. Started 9-of-13 games in which he played in ’02, tossing 192-317-2,257-13-9 (60.6). Named honorable mention All-Big Ten by coaches and the media in ’03, when he started all 13 games and finished with 251-414-2,885-15-7 (60.6). Played entire Capital One Bowl vs. Georgia with a dislocated left thumb, sprained toe and cracked rib. Started the ’04 season as the front-runner for the Heisman Trophy through the first five games before fumbling the game away vs. Wisconsin and suffering separate hip injuries in consecutive losses, to Michigan and Northwester, the second of which he was benched. Was named first-team All-Big Ten by the media and second-team by conference coaches after starting nine games and tossing 23-389-3,090-31-5 (60.7) and rushing for three touchdowns. Named team’s co-MVP and co-captain. Set school record vs. Indiana with 530 yards of total offense. Purdue career leader with 2.09 interception percentage (28 interceptions in 1,336 attempts).

Positives: Great size. Very productive. Good, not great arm with a very quick release. Can make all the throws. Knows where to throw, makes quick decisions and doesn’t hold onto the ball. Had a very impressive 6-1 TD-interception ratio as a senior. Throws with good velocity. Smart. Fine competitor. Has matured into a more vocal leader. Will play hurt. Threw the ball with more velocity than any quarterback at the combine.

Negatives: System, shotgun quarterback who plays in a QB-friendly offense and makes a lot of predetermined reads. Pulls down the ball if primary target isn’t open. Must adjust to taking snaps under center and struggled with it at the Senior Bowl. Sidearm release with a low delivery point that forces more balls to get knocked down than a guy his size should have. Has a long throwing motion. Average intermediate-to-deep accuracy. Not very mobile or elusive in the pocket. Struggles throwing on the run. Soft body that looks like it hasn’t seen a weight room. Not a weight –room worker. Has bad body language on the field. Not a natural leader who will rally the troops. Lacks mental toughness. Will force throws vs. the blitz. Has not consistently shown he can handle the pressure of playing in big games. Footwork under center looked awkward at the Senior Bowl.

Summary: Looks awfully similar to Tm Couch and might get overdrafted because of the premium placed on the QB position. Could develop into a starter in a shotgun, spread offense if he can handle the pressure that comes with the NFL’s most daunting position.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:12 AM   #2
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Now post Tom Brady's.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:17 AM   #3
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Now post Tom Brady's.
Good timing actually. There was a special on the 2001 Pats the other day on NFL Network and they spent a good deal of time on Brady naturally.

In one of his interviews, he talked about a QB coaches notebook that he found after practice one day toward the end of his 2000 rookie season. It said:

Slow to move in pocket
Slow to read defenses
Slow to decide where to go with ball
Slow to deliver ball

Needs to speed up/improve in all facets.

And this was AFTER a full rookie season.
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"Threw the ball with more velocity than any quarterback at the combine."

I found that part interesting. Cutler and new Bear fans suggest that Orton has a weak arm.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:29 AM   #5
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it looks like he has a weak arm in Chicago because it is a horrible stadium to throw the ball downfield....Cutler even struggled a bit throwing the ball downfield in the game we played there (GODDAMNIT KICK THE BALL AWAY FROM HESTER!!!!...sorry that happens everytime I think of it)

One thing that is going to be hard to get used to is a QB who throws the ball away or eats it instead of throwing a bullet into double coverage...its going to be a different game
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:32 AM   #6
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"Threw the ball with more velocity than any quarterback at the combine."

I found that part interesting. Cutler and new Bear fans suggest that Orton has a weak arm.
2005 wasn't an epic year for quarterbacks...
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:36 AM   #7
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it looks like he has a weak arm in Chicago because it is a horrible stadium to throw the ball downfield....Cutler even struggled a bit throwing the ball downfield in the game we played there (GODDAMNIT KICK THE BALL AWAY FROM HESTER!!!!...sorry that happens everytime I think of it)

One thing that is going to be hard to get used to is a QB who throws the ball away or eats it instead of throwing a bullet into double coverage...its going to be a different game
So how long before Jay demands a new stadium...
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:37 AM   #8
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"Threw the ball with more velocity than any quarterback at the combine."

I found that part interesting. Cutler and new Bear fans suggest that Orton has a weak arm.
Its not that he has a weak arm, its that his arm isnt as strong as Cutlers, and anyone who is not as strong as cutlers cannon, is then just considered weak. Plus Orton has never had jack squat to throw to. And CHI isnt exactly the nicest place to just toss the ball around.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:46 AM   #9
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I'd rather have a scouting report from 2008.
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it seems to me that report is contradictory
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Not a bad scouting report. Doesn't exactly kill confidence in him. I do think his upside is "serviceable", but hopefully McDaniels has some magic dust in his pocket and can make something happen.

Hopefully...
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Not a bad scouting report. Doesn't exactly kill confidence in him. I do think his upside is "serviceable", but hopefully McDaniels has some magic dust in his pocket and can make something happen.

Hopefully...
I think Ortons biggest upsides are
1 he ran the spread at Purdue
2 hes a team guy. Will play through injury.
3 found some magic dust in his box of Lucky Charms this morning.
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1 he ran the spread at Purdue
2 hes a team guy. Will play through injury.
3 found some magic dust in his box of Lucky Charms this morning.
He made Drew Brees' Purdue career look like the story of Jesus Christ...
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He made Drew Brees' Purdue career look like the story of Jesus Christ...
Brees did get his degree in Carpentry
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:22 AM   #15
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Why do we care about his draft profile?
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Why do we care about his draft profile?
Because now we have to care about him. Everything counts.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:28 AM   #17
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Why do we care about his draft profile?
Probably because he was once considered a potential 1st rounder. It's all fluff now, but looking into it, it looks like he has some potential.
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hopefully McDaniels has some magic dust in his pocket
If not, All he has to do is go to the Jacksonville locker room and ask around....
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"Looks awfully similar to Tim Couch."
Nuff said, we're doomed.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:36 AM   #20
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QB Kyle Orton
(6-4, 233, 5.09) PURDUE



Positives: Great size. Very productive. Good, not great arm with a very quick release. Can make all the throws. Knows where to throw, makes quick decisions and doesn’t hold onto the ball. Had a very impressive 6-1 TD-interception ratio as a senior. Throws with good velocity. Smart. Fine competitor. Has matured into a more vocal leader. Will play hurt. Threw the ball with more velocity than any quarterback at the combine.

Negatives: System, shotgun quarterback who plays in a QB-friendly offense and makes a lot of predetermined reads. Pulls down the ball if primary target isn’t open. Must adjust to taking snaps under center and struggled with it at the Senior Bowl. Sidearm release with a low delivery point that forces more balls to get knocked down than a guy his size should have. Has a long throwing motion. Average intermediate-to-deep accuracy. Not very mobile or elusive in the pocket. Struggles throwing on the run. Soft body that looks like it hasn’t seen a weight room. Not a weight –room worker. Has bad body language on the field. Not a natural leader who will rally the troops. Lacks mental toughness. Will force throws vs. the blitz. Has not consistently shown he can handle the pressure of playing in big games. Footwork under center looked awkward at the Senior Bowl.

Umm... really? So were you guys watching the same player?
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:57 AM   #21
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I was thinking the same thing as both wolfpack and chicken
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:09 AM   #22
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All this talk about Orton, won't it be funny if Simms wins the job...
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:17 AM   #23
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Umm... really? So were you guys watching the same player?
These draft reports are written by hacks who have no scouting experience. It's all BS mixed with CYA.

Go through any set of receivers evals in any draft year and you'll find a boatload of "has good hands" followed by "occasionally drops some balls."
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Orton had me sold when i learned he loved Seinfeld. Last QB i remember publically supporting Seinfeld? Super Bowl Champion Eli Manning. Welcome to the SonofLe-lo school of scouting.

I bet Jay Cutler "doesn't get" Seinfeld
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I assume that between Simms and Orton we have someone who can who can be at least average... Every part of this trade's success hinges on what we do with those draft picks.
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