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View Poll Results: Straight up is Orton a better fit for Mcdaniels system than jay Cutler?
Yes McD needs a team player that can read and react not take risks trying to make something happen 70 43.48%
No Jay has all the talent he just needs to mature, his next contract will kill the cap 91 56.52%
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:39 AM   #1
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Default Could Orton actually be a better QB than Cutler in McDaniels system?

Mcdaniels' system requires a very cerebral quarterback that can read defenses and find the open guy who is also a team leader capable of changing the play at the LOS to take advantage of what is given and be a team player.

Jay's next contract is going to be huge where as Orton not so much. Everything considered is Orton a better QB for the Broncos than jay Cutler not even factoring in the extra picks we got in the trade.

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well I can't edit the second option It should say not kill the cap.

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Old 04-07-2009, 10:40 AM   #2
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:43 AM   #3
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I like Orton as part of the trade, but may stil be in the minority in that I wonder if he's still being thought of as more of a back-up or guy to compete with a potential draft pick, etc.

That said, he does have some untapped upside. Chicago has had no idea how to put an offense together for years, now.

I doubt he'll put up Cutler numbers, but he wouldn't have to. Field a properly structured NFL team and there's no need for the PS3 QB nonsense.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:43 AM   #4
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Could Orton actually be a better QB in the system that follows should McDaniels be fired after a year or two?
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:45 AM   #5
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Hilarious ... let the tortured rationalizations begin
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:48 AM   #6
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The short answer is no. All things being equal, Cutler is more talented.

The real answer is yes because Cutler didn't want to be here and Orton does.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:52 AM   #8
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Um.. no? Not a chance in hell?

Cutler in a system would always outperform Orton in a system. Why people are trying to justify to themselves that Orton is somehow as skilled as Cutler just makes me shake my head. He is what he is, an average or perhaps slightly above average QB, without any super talent. He is awkward in the pocket, slow, and I really doubt he can toss the ball off the wrong foot across his body 40 yards across the field and hit his target.

It is what it is. If our D reaaaly gets a boost, our running game greatly improves, as does our special teams, we may have a chance to compete. I don't doubt for a minute though, that we'd be much more competitive if Cutler was in this system instead.
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I propose that Orton is a better fit straight up than Cutler. He looks to be a better decision maker and takes care of the ball better and can be coached up by McD he's the perfect guy for McD where as Jay was more of a free spirit type guy that insisted on taking big chances because of his great arm which makes him less coachable. Not to mention his next contract will be 100 million and this means we lose the chance to bring lots of other talent at outer positions because of the huge contract. Jay is a luxury that does not make sense in McDaniels system.

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Old 04-07-2009, 10:56 AM   #10
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people will think i'm a homer, but yes Orton can be a better fit...

Cutler is the better QB and overall talent but Orton will fit better...

Orton doesn't have the physical tools to rely on so he has to play within the system better...

he won't force the ball and he will be a great student of the scheme...
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Um.. no? Not a chance in hell?

Cutler in a system would always outperform Orton in a system. Why people are trying to justify to themselves that Orton is somehow as skilled as Cutler just makes me shake my head. He is what he is, an average or perhaps slightly above average QB, without any super talent. He is awkward in the pocket, slow, and I really doubt he can toss the ball off the wrong foot across his body 40 yards across the field and hit his target.

It is what it is. If our D reaaaly gets a boost, our running game greatly improves, as does our special teams, we may have a chance to compete. I don't doubt for a minute though, that we'd be much more competitive if Cutler was in this system instead.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:12 AM   #12
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The short answer is no. All things being equal, Cutler is more talented.

The real answer is yes because Cutler didn't want to be here and Orton does.
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So ridiculous. A week ago there wasn't one article or writer that would have put these two in te same sentence. It would have be laughable. Now people actually think Orton is questionably better because of a syster?Give me a friggin break. Just because he is gone and you hate him doesnt mean he sucks.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:23 AM   #15
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So ridiculous. A week ago there wasn't one article or writer that would have put these two in te same sentence. It would have be laughable. Now people actually think Orton is questionably better because of a syster?Give me a friggin break. Just because he is gone and you hate him doesnt mean he sucks.



Theres a lot of Roh-rage going around.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:29 AM   #16
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All you Orton pimps! What if Simms wins out? What do you think Can Simms wins out? Than maybe Simms puts up better numbers than either of them. Orton suckers.........

New poll coming put up by someone who has too much time on their hands......



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Old 04-07-2009, 11:29 AM   #17
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I was just talking to a co-worker about this today, he says he will go QB first pick.

I say no, Orton will do well in this system, maybe we go QB with a later pick.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:31 AM   #18
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I think the bottom line is Cutler is a better QB. From what I understand of McD system all the things that make Cutler so much better dont count for a whole lot so its kinda like apples to oranges.

Will Cutler be better in Chicago then Orton was? Most likely. Will Orton be better in Denver than Cutler would be under Mc D system? We will never know but I would assume the gap isnt going to be as far as many people would like to think.
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All you Orton pimps! What if Simms wins out? What do you think Can Simms wins out? Than maybe Simms puts up better numbers than either of them. Orton suckers.........

New poll coming put up by someone who has too much time on their hands......



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Simms will not beat out Orton...
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All you Orton pimps! What if Simms wins out? What do you think Can Simms wins out? Than maybe Simms puts up better numbers than either of them. Orton suckers.........
If Simms outplays Orton, that would be fine with me. I see Orton as someone who can play the game adequately enough to win. I welcome the quarterback controversy. I always had the feeling that we were screwed if Cutler went down with an injury. Either Orton or Simms would be a serviceable backup if the starter is unavailable to play...
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Simms will not beat out Orton...
Says you.....

You got a chrystal ball?

You got a special relationship with Madam Future?

Just how do you know that?

You don't. You're just guessing.....
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Um.. no? Not a chance in hell?

Cutler in a system would always outperform Orton in a system.
This is true IF (and it's a big if) Cutler buys into the system. If he doesn't buy into the system and continues to play sandlot style football, trying to force passes into tight spots, then, no, he would not outperform Orton in this system.
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edit: accidentally voted yes. Real answer is hell no.
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Says you.....

You got a chrystal ball?

You got a special relationship with Madam Future?

Just how do you know that?

You don't. You're just guessing.....

Do people really need to be spoonfed that this is his opinion? Does he actually need to preface his opinion by saying, "IMO"? Hasnt most of american society arrived at a point where they can discern what is opinion without confronting someone?
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So ridiculous. A week ago there wasn't one article or writer that would have put these two in te same sentence. It would have be laughable. Now people actually think Orton is questionably better because of a syster?Give me a friggin break. Just because he is gone and you hate him doesnt mean he sucks.
Of course, you called anyone who likes Hillis "gay," among other stellar takes.

Not a real surprise that you'd latch onto the nuts of a guy who wants no part of the team.
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