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Old 04-07-2009, 01:21 AM   #1
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Broncos might be looking for a QB... and since everyone says sanchez is someone who can fit into McD's system....

Broncos move up to 8th spot and trade with Jags. Jags get (12th and 79th) and Broncos pick "Mark Sanchez". He will sit this year and next year orton goes away or chris simms goes away and orton signed for back up contract.

2nd Trade

Broncos give up 18th/48th/85th to trade with Philly for 21st/28th/153rd or 157th

If we pull both these trades.. we will be left with

8th, 21st, 28th, 114, 149, 153 or 157, 185, 225, 235.

But we can get back a franchise QB (If he proves to be good in this system) and 2 very good quality defensive players. Where one could be a NT and another one who is OLB/ILB or DE.

I know it is whacky, But what is the comment about this on the mane...
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:30 AM   #2
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Broncos might be looking for a QB... and since everyone says sanchez is someone who can fit into McD's system....

Broncos move up to 8th spot and trade with Jags. Jags get (12th and 79th) and Broncos pick "Mark Sanchez". He will sit this year and next year orton goes away or chris simms goes away and orton signed for back up contract.

2nd Trade

Broncos give up 18th/48th/85th to trade with Philly for 21st/28th/153rd or 157th

If we pull both these trades.. we will be left with

8th, 21st, 28th, 114, 149, 153 or 157, 185, 225, 235.

But we can get back a franchise QB (If he proves to be good in this system) and 2 very good quality defensive players. Where one could be a NT and another one who is OLB/ILB or DE.

I know it is whacky, But what is the comment about this on the mane...
The idea to trade up to get Sanchez is garbage but I like your idea of trading the 18, 48, and 85th for the 21, 28 and 157. Id be all over that. The other thing we could do is trade our 48 and 2 3rds to move to 22, leaving us 12, 18, 22 or trade our 48 and 84 to move up to 31, which would give us 12, 18, 31.
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The idea to trade up to get Sanchez is garbage but I like your idea of trading the 18, 48, and 85th for the 21, 28 and 157. Id be all over that. The other thing we could do is trade our 48 and 2 3rds to move to 22, leaving us 12, 18, 22 or trade our 48 and 84 to move up to 31, which would give us 12, 18, 31.
lex, i agree with trade up to 8 being garbage... but also think about it, what if Raji is available ? For sure GB will pick him at 9. so that would make moving up to be good.

but i like your scenario of 48 and 84 to get to 31 as well. But if we can make it happen with philly it will be a jack pot. picking 3 in round 1 and getting 2 more next year.
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If we do get 8th, 21st and 28th... These would be my picks

8th - B J Raji / Mark Sanchez (only if needed by coach and he become franchise QB)

21st - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU / Rey Maualuga, ILB

28th - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss / Brian Cushing, OLB, USC / Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:54 AM   #5
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lex, i agree with trade up to 8 being garbage... but also think about it, what if Raji is available ? For sure GB will pick him at 9. so that would make moving up to be good.

but i like your scenario of 48 and 84 to get to 31 as well. But if we can make it happen with philly it will be a jack pot. picking 3 in round 1 and getting 2 more next year.
Heres, what Im looking at. Terrence Cody who occupies two blocks just by opening his eyes in the morning, should be in the draft next year. He wants to get his weight under control but it also wouldnt hurt to have an extra year under Saban. I would use both first round picks if necessary to get him provided he's healthy and in good standing. Im no longer confident in Raji if its true that he pissed hot. Just because we need a NT, that doesnt mean we need him, if he's that kind of a risk.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:57 AM   #6
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I like the Idea of trading up to the 8 spot to get a player that falls . I also would not mind this trade of 18 pick for 29 and 60 picks.The Giants move up for wide receiver. The Broncos would have 8, 29, 48 and 60 picks on first day. The Broncos use the 60 pick plus Scheffler to trade for Shaun Rodgers from Cleveland.The Broncos draft 8 .Orakapo 29. Barwin 48. Ziggy Hood. This draft sets up our 3-4 defence for the next 5 years with Thomas, Rodgers, Hood at defensive line and Barwin,Larsen, Williams, and Orakapo at linebacker.
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:09 AM   #7
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I like the Idea of trading up to the 8 spot to get a player that falls . I also would not mind this trade of 18 pick for 29 and 60 picks.The Giants move up for wide receiver. The Broncos would have 8, 29, 48 and 60 picks on first day. The Broncos use the 60 pick plus Scheffler to trade for Shaun Rodgers from Cleveland.The Broncos draft 8 .Orakapo 29. Barwin 48. Ziggy Hood. This draft sets up our 3-4 defence for the next 5 years with Thomas, Rodgers, Hood at defensive line and Barwin,Larsen, Williams, and Orakapo at linebacker.
nice thought.. but for some reason i am no longer in love with orakapo.. i see him as workout warrior who could be a bust. i dont like texas defensive players for some reason.
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:49 AM   #8
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It's probably going to take higher than #8 to get Sanchez. If the Lions take Stafford, there's serious talk in Seattle that Sanchez will be the pick at #4.
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Detroit will go OT with the 1st pick.
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If we do get 8th, 21st and 28th... These would be my picks

8th - B J Raji / Mark Sanchez (only if needed by coach and he become franchise QB)

21st - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU / Rey Maualuga, ILB

28th - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss / Brian Cushing, OLB, USC / Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
Are people really thinking that Cushing is going to drop that far?
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Detroit will go OT with the 1st pick.
I agree. There strat imo will be to pick a OT with the 1st and a QB later in the first.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:47 AM   #12
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The first trade is realistic, though I wouldn't be happy moving up for a QB.

The second trade is nothing more than internet dreaming.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:56 AM   #13
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Don't move up for anyone this year. Just don't.

The only player truly worth trading up for might be Curry, and we don't know yer whether he will be an ILB or an OLB on the team that drafts him. There's no way we could afford to pay him since we already have DJ for the same position (not that DJ is better, this is economics).

Don't trade up, say it with me - don't trade up.

At the end of the season (where guys actually play football) Sanchez was a lower first round pick - now he's a top 5? Where did that come from? He played on an incredibly talented team, with superstars all around him. I'm not saying he won't be really good, but it's a big gamble right now. We already took our gamble releasing Cutler, we can't afford too many more.

Doesn't anyone around here think we can take a third round QB and let him learn McD's system for a year or two while we rebuild the defense? I feel like McD might find 2-3 guys he likes. He's obviously a teacher, and sometimes it's best to sit and learn for a while - especially at QB. We need first rounders that will start at the beginning of the season, we need help now. If Sanchez drops, snag him. If not, forget it.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:15 AM   #14
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Are people really thinking that Cushing is going to drop that far?
If cushing drops that far it will be great.

I dont know if cutler leaving makes this team go for a QB who can be a franchise QB. New regime means new QB's drafted and that is the philosophy i was going by.

I would like us to draft a QB if at all next year and not this year.

Given the scenario.. I would like to pick whoever with out 12th pick if not go down to 14 or 15 even as i think Jackson will be available at 15 as well.

But if we can trade back with the 18th that will be great.. and if philly want to come up.. that will be awesome.

Someone here also suggested about NY being one of the team with whom we can trade and get a late 1st and late 2nd rounder.. which will work really great and also it might work if maclin is still on board at 18. Because they badly need a WR
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McD has shown no interest in Sanchez.

Raji might fall to 12.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:27 AM   #16
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i wish you guys would stop conjuring up these trade up scenarios to get a QB...it's not gonna happen...it's a waste of time and brain power...

if we go QB, it won't be in the 1st couple rounds...that's for sure...

also, trading up in the 1st round is too expensive...if we trade up, i see it happening in the second round...we may want to move up, or use ammo to gain an additional 2nd rounder...that's more feasible than trying to move up in the 1st round...
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We have our QB and it is so advantageous the trade did not drag out now McD gets a bit of a look at Orton and can assess if he is our starting QB or not.
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We have our QB and it is so advantageous the trade did not drag out now McD gets a bit of a look at Orton and can assess if he is our starting QB or not.
More than picking a QB it was to check what are the trades going up or down we are discussing. Whom are we targetting if do go up or down. Who could be the trading partners.
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If any offensive player is chosen in the first day, i'll be seriously pissed.

If we package picks to move up for Sanchez, we will have in essence traded Cutler for an unproven rookie. No effin way.
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What are we saying if we trade up for a QB?

We say that a QB is special and that we need a good QB succeed, which is everything we didn't want to say to Cutler and the reason we traded him. So doing that would be admitting that we made a mistake, what is even worse is that historically only about 1 in 3 first round QBs ever get to the good starter level, meaning we have only 33% chance of getting a QB who will ever be as good as Cutler.
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More than picking a QB it was to check what are the trades going up or down we are discussing. Whom are we targetting if do go up or down. Who could be the trading partners.
My post does "tie in " as you say. My point is McD gets the luxury to evaluate Orton from now until the draft which helps him to make an informed decision rather to draft a QB this year or not. If Orton is not our starting QB on opening day and plays well for us all season than this trade is a big failure.
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If any offensive player is chosen in the first day, i'll be seriously pissed.

If we package picks to move up for Sanchez, we will have in essence traded Cutler for an unproven rookie. No effin way.
Trade or not to trade was not an option after the cry baby went bonkers... I am sure McD might have thought the same as well.. but now that he is traded if they think someone will fit the system, it is not bad to get. But i personally would like to see broncos taking a QB next year if we are picking in round 1.
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What are we saying if we trade up for a QB?

We say that a QB is special and that we need a good QB succeed, which is everything we didn't want to say to Cutler and the reason we traded him. So doing that would be admitting that we made a mistake, what is even worse is that historically only about 1 in 3 first round QBs ever get to the good starter level, meaning we have only 33% chance of getting a QB who will ever be as good as Cutler.
Sound thinking, and I agree. It stupid to trade up to get an unknown QB when you just let a pro bowl QB walk because McD has a team first philosophy.

I'd be PO'd if the Broncos wasted picks on trading up for Sanchez.
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Sound thinking, and I agree. It stupid to trade up to get an unknown QB when you just let a pro bowl QB walk because McD has a team first philosophy.

I'd be PO'd if the Broncos wasted picks on trading up for Sanchez.
If that happens we bronco fans are in for a long few years until McD is fired but I really doubt we move up for a QB I'm betting we have our guy in Orton.
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But what about raji at 8th. I am sure GB will pick raji at 9th if he is available.
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