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Old 04-05-2009, 08:18 AM   #1
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If Pat Bowlen could turn back time by several months, do you think he makes a different decision about a head coach, in hopes of avoiding the collossal Jay-vs.-Josh head-butting catastrophe that's followed?

Or would Bowlen choose McD all over again, essentially accepting that Jay Cutler doesn't have the head on his shoulders to be a winning quarterbck?

Seems to me that-- understanding what we've come to know about Jay-- that Jay just had to go. Unfortunate, but necessary.

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Old 04-05-2009, 08:26 AM   #2
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Bowlen is the guy who said at his press conference after firing Mike Shanahan that "Cutler was the man around here now" and that the Goodmans wouldn't be fired.

Since then Cutler is the man in Chicago and the Goodmans have been let go.

I don't know if he'd change his decision about McDaniels, but Bowlen better hope that McDaniels and Xanders have a clue about the next two drafts.
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:29 AM   #3
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Not just Bowlen but every Bronco fan would want a "do over". McDaniels would want one too, but not Cutler he got his wish.
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Shanahan as well.
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:33 AM   #5
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Double thread. I need to repost my comments in each thread.

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Old 04-05-2009, 08:44 AM   #6
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Don't you wish Shanahan would have swallowed his pride and let someone come in to fix the defense?
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naw i dont think Bowlen would want a do over .......I dont think Bowlen went into this half assed without knowing how deep the water was .......
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:32 AM   #8
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Another "Do over"... we go all the way back to the 2006 draft, don't trade up to #15 with Atlanta (prior to the trade up with St Louis) and keep the 2 #1's we had, take some defense players there and with the extra 3rd that we had to part with.

Yet Another "Do over"...we go all the way back to 1999 and Bubby Brister starts the season...

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naw i dont think Bowlen would want a do over .......I dont think Bowlen went into this half assed without knowing how deep the water was .......
That's it.
Bowlen knew exactly what Jay's issues were....immaturity, pouty, self-interest, leadership issues...etc.
There's a good reason why he was willing to let his QB go and back his young HC. The owner wasn't sold on him.....and without Bates and Shanny to shelter and coddle Jay, he understood that conflict was inevitable.

Better now than during training camp......imagine the drama of a hissy fit and hold-out just before the season begins.
This way, Denver makes out with a haul of draft picks and a QB capable of starting........and one with a 'team' attitude.
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:46 AM   #10
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No way.

In fact, I'd bet Bowlen is more confident about his decision now than he was when he did it. Bowlen didn't get where he is in life by being too chicken-**** to take chances.

Will this work out? Maybe, maybe not... but no businessman reaps rewards without taking on risk, and Bowlen has been doing this long enough to know when that's necessary.
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if he fully understand the type of person that cutler was back then, no. but cutlers true colors came out during this whole ordeal, and it is pretty clear what bowlen thinks of that.
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:59 AM   #12
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All the people who said Bowlen knew about Jay's shortcomings are right. Too many people here think everyone learns everything through the press and no one knows about it until it's reported. Bowlen, McDaniels, Shanahan, etc. all knew Jay was immature, just because the Denver Post or Rocky reported it doesn't make it any less true. It wasn't breaking news when Josina Anderson wrote that there might have been issues with Jay's drinking because I'm sure I wasn't the only one on this board who has seen Jay drinking by himself on multiple occasions in downtown Denver. Montrose posted the recap of Lynch's interview in San Diego, where he called Jay a moody loner that Shanahan let do whatever he wanted.

I don't think Bowlen regrets either firing Shanahan or trading Jay one bit at this point. Might be awhile before Denver sniffs a playoff appearance, but he'll live.
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All the people who said Bowlen knew about Jay's shortcomings are right. Too many people here think everyone learns everything through the press and no one knows about it until it's reported. Bowlen, McDaniels, Shanahan, etc. all knew Jay was immature, just because the Denver Post or Rocky reported it doesn't make it any less true. It wasn't breaking news when Josina Anderson wrote that there might have been issues with Jay's drinking because I'm sure I wasn't the only one on this board who has seen Jay drinking by himself on multiple occasions in downtown Denver. Montrose posted the recap of Lynch's interview in San Diego, where he called Jay a moody loner that Shanahan let do whatever he wanted.

I don't think Bowlen regrets either firing Shanahan or trading Jay one bit at this point. Might be awhile before Denver sniffs a playoff appearance, but he'll live.
really? thats crazy
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If I was to construct a do-over, Shanahan would walk into Bowlen's office and say, "I suck at this GM stuff. I just want to go back to being a HC. Let's bring in the best GM we can find, somebody who can get me a good DC and build me up a defense. I'll take care of the xs and os."
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Don't you wish Shanahan would have swallowed his pride and let someone come in to fix the defense?
Shanny already tried to do that. That "someone" was Jim Bates...let him have the players he wanted (Moss, Crowder, Thomas), and it didnt work.
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Shanny already tried to do that. That "someone" was Jim Bates...let him have the players he wanted (Moss, Crowder, Thomas), and it didnt work.
he did only get one year...and bates was still better than slowik.
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Captain Dre, you can delete one of your double posts by clicking the "edit" button and click the "delete message" button.

As for your question, the first scenario assumes that Bowlen is frustrated with McDaniel's handling of Cutler. He might have seen this as a blessing in disguise. Cutler showed he had the attitude of being "above the team".
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:42 AM   #18
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If there's anything they do over, it's that they follow through on the initial trade for Cassel.
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Don't you wish Shanahan would have swallowed his pride and let someone come in to fix the defense?
beyond that, I wish Hillis hadn't of injured himself on that freak play. Hillis stays healthy, Broncos make the playoffs, Shanahan is still the coach, and Cutler is getting ready to throw for 4k and 30 tds next year while the defense is being improved.
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beyond that, I wish Hillis hadn't of injured himself on that freak play. Hillis stays healthy, Broncos make the playoffs, Shanahan is still the coach, and Cutler is getting ready to throw for 4k and 30 tds next year while the defense is being improved.
sweet .. but the defense improving is a reach
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he did only get one year...and bates was still better than slowik.
He didn't even get a year. Slowik took over about halfway through 07 IIRC.
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Yes, I do. I think one more year under Shanahan would have been fair but his defensive inabilities obviously really hurt the Broncos.
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Yes, I do. I think one more year under Shanahan would have been fair but his defensive inabilities obviously really hurt the Broncos.
defensive inabilities? It's like all of you exist in a vacuum where Shanahan didn't put together two championship teams, as well as a 2005/06 AFC title game run.

He was building a team from the ground up, and since he is an offensive coach, he started with the offense while letting the defense sit tight until he could get a new QB, O-line, RB's, TE's, etc.

He thought he would have the time to take advantage of the cap space his planning had perfectly put him in position for. He was wrong and Bowlen jumped the gun.
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defensive inabilities? It's like all of you exist in a vacuum where Shanahan didn't put together two championship teams, as well as a 2005/06 AFC title game run.

He was building a team from the ground up, and since he is an offensive coach, he started with the offense while letting the defense sit tight until he could get a new QB, O-line, RB's, TE's, etc.

He thought he would have the time to take advantage of the cap space his planning had perfectly put him in position for. He was wrong and Bowlen jumped the gun.
You know Shanny personally and he shared his plans with you??

Sh*t, you could have told Bowlen.
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1. Hire Scott Pioli
2. Hire Steve Spagnulo
3. Promote Jeremy Bates to Offensive Coordinator
4. Kick Bob in the nuts
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