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Old 04-05-2009, 07:49 AM   #1
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Broncos could brew historic draft with 5-pack
For only the second time in franchise history, Denver has five picks in first 84 draft selections.
By Jim Armstrong
The Denver Post
POSTED: 04/05/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT


Broncos coach Josh McDaniels (Kathryn Scott Osler, Denver Post file photo)
There was a time not so long ago when Pat Bowlen said Josh McDaniels would coach the Broncos, not decide which players were on their roster.

Back then, in the early days of 2009, the owner decreed that Jim Goodman would be the team's de facto general manager. How'd that work out, Jimbo?

Goodman is gone, along with his son, assistant GM Jeff Goodman. And the Broncos' Southeast region scout has left too. His name? That would be Tyler Goodman, another of Goodman's sons.

They aren't alone. West region scout Bobby Beers left the organization before all the recent tumult, leaving the Broncos' scouting department short on numbers.

This is McDaniels' reality as he heads into his first-ever draft as the keeper of the Broncos'


The Broncos, in the aftermath of the trade that sent Jay Cutler to Chicago, may have more draft-weekend resources than any other NFL team. The key is to cash them in.
Denver for the first time in franchise history will have two first-rounders, the 12th and 18th selections. Not only that, the Broncos will have a second-rounder and two third-rounders, giving them five selections among the first 84 picks for the second time in franchise history.

"First of all, it gives us a lot of flexibility," McDaniels said. "As a football team, going into the draft, the more you have, the better off you are. Because if you need to maneuver to try to get some players you really feel good about, you have the ammunition to go do some of those things."

The Cutler saga, by McDaniels' own admission, didn't turn out the way the Broncos wanted. But in his absence is an opportunity to create a more balanced team than the one-trick pony the Broncos have been in recent seasons. Fact: Denver was second in the NFL in total offense last season, 29th in defense. The gap between the two, 27 notches, was the widest in the league, ahead of New Orleans, which had the No. 1-ranked offense and the No. 23 defense.

"That's going to be the goal all the time, to try to be as good defensively as you are offensively, or vice versa," McDaniels said. "I've said from the first moment I landed in Denver that our goal was to improve the team. We have significant improvement to do on both sides of the ball and in the kicking game."

The Broncos obviously will address that 29th-ranked defense during the April 25-26 draft. Question is, would they consider a possible long-term successor to Cutler at No. 12?

"As far as it being a defensive or offensive draft, it's going to be the best players at a position where we need players to help our team win," McDaniels said. "As far as a quarterback is concerned, we're evaluating all those players just the same. If one of those players, whoever he may be, whenever it may be, is somebody we would like to have on this team, then we would consider drafting a quarterback."

It figures to be a moot point by the time the Broncos' first selection rolls around. Georgia's Matthew Stafford and USC's Mark Sanchez, the two highest-ranked quarterbacks available, are expected to be long gone by No. 12. But if so, it would increase the Broncos' chances of landing a top-flight linebacker or defensive lineman.

"They need front seven on D," said Denver-based Cecil Lammey of Draftguys.com. "For this draft to be successful, three out of those five (among the first 84) have to be impact players. There's a lot of good stuff there for the Broncos. They're in a very good position to fill positions of need."

As usual, the outlook of the first round is a work in progress. But dramatic changes have come in recent days, the likes of which could well impact the Broncos' selections. Case in point: Boston College's B.J. Raji, the best nose-tackle prospect in the draft, tested positive for an unknown substance at the scouting combine, according to Sports Illustrated. That could drop him from the top five down to No. 12. If so, McDaniels would have a dilemma on his hands.

"That's got to be Raji if he's there," Lammey said. "That's the ultimate dream for the Broncos, if he slips to them at 12. The nose tackle is the anchor of the 3-4 defense. He can push the pocket and rush the quarterback. When you look at the tackles in this draft, it's Raji and a bunch of other guys."

Further complicating things, USC outside linebackers Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews are rumored to have tested positive for steroids. The rumors are so rampant, USC coach Pete Carroll recently went public to deny them. We're left to wonder how, if at all, the rumors will affect each player's draft status, but both could be candidates for the 18th pick.

Other candidates at No. 18: Cincinnati defensive end-outside linebacker Conner Barwin, who led the Big East in sacks, and Ohio State cornerback Malcolm Jenkins, who, like Raji, has had a private workout for the Broncos. Another candidate, Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo, has a private Broncos workout scheduled, according to NFL.com.

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For the second time in franchise history, the Broncos own five of the first 84 picks in the NFL draft. The first time was in 1975, when they converted the picks into one starter, Ring of Famer Louis Wright. But on two similar occasions 1967 and 1973, when they had five of the first 85 and five of the first 88 the Broncos came away with a motherlode of talent. Here's a look at the starters acquired with the first five picks in those drafts:

1967: HB Floyd Little, T Mike Current, G George Goeddeke, OLB Carl Cunningham, TE Tom Beer

1973: HB Otis Armstrong, DE Barney Chavous, G Paul Howard, OLB Tom Jackson

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Old 04-05-2009, 08:26 AM   #2
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queue the "we have a new regime with no drafting experience and will fail" comments
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queue the "we have a new regime with no drafting experience and will fail" comments
As opposed to the previous leadership and all their experience that couldn't put a respectable defense on the field over the past three years.
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This would be the 2nd time in franchise history the team has had 2 1st round picks in the same year, if the Broncos use both picks, it will be the first time in franchise history that the team has exercised 2 1st round picks in the same draft.
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:40 AM   #5
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I would like to see all of 10 picks go on defensive players ....... Hillis as Starting running back ......
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It sounds like not only are the Goodmans gone but the scouting dept is depleted.
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:46 AM   #8
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Wow, look at that 1973 draft. Outstanding!!!!
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Jesus christ, the most important draft in recent memory with the most ammunition in team history... and the scouting department is thin in the most important talent pools.

This just keeps getting better...
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Jesus christ, the most important draft in recent memory with the most ammunition in team history... and the scouting department is thin in the most important talent pools.

This just keeps getting better...
The one problem with this Klis article is it paints a picture that the Broncos don't have a fully staffed scouting department. They do. It's just not the Goodmans...
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:20 AM   #11
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Jesus christ, the most important draft in recent memory with the most ammunition in team history... and the scouting department is thin in the most important talent pools.

This just keeps getting better...
Doesn't it? Nice strategy...dump the experienced people who proved what they could do and go into the draft with fewer scouts on top of that. But hey...Pat knows what he's doing and the last few months prove it.
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if I'm the Broncos, I hire somebody like Cowher or Jimmy Johnson as a drafting "consultant". Or whoever's available and has some EXPERIENCE at this. (can we bring back whoever drafted the Bronco '73 class?)

I wouldn't feel comfortable with McD and Xanders heading this up.
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They brought in Keith Kidd to run the scouting department back in February. The remainder of the scouts are guys that have been here a long time. Anyway, I don't think the problem has ever been with who is providing the info, more like who is making the picks. The Goodmans had some luck. Hopefully, the new team does as well.
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Jesus christ, the most important draft in recent memory with the most ammunition in team history... and the scouting department is thin in the most important talent pools.

This just keeps getting better...
Yes, a scouting department that utterly blew 8 of the last 10 drafts for us. Golly, what will we do?
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They brought in Keith Kidd to run the scouting department back in February. The remainder of the scouts are guys that have been here a long time. Anyway, I don't think the problem has ever been with who is providing the info, more like who is making the picks. The Goodmans had some luck. Hopefully, the new team does as well.
how dare you hope the new FO does good. you are supposed to predict absolue failure at anything, including winning games and drafting good players.
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how dare you hope the new FO does good. you are supposed to predict absolue failure at anything, including winning games and drafting good players.
Yeah, really, what was he thinking??
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2006 we held 2 1st rounders - both in the 20s IIRC, ours and the trade from the previous year to Washington (who took Jason Campbell). We traded with Atlanta to move up to #15, then with St Louis to get to #11.
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Jim Goodman was a wizard ... but with anybody else it'll be the same crapshoot it was before him. That's just logic.

We might get lucky with Kidd, we might nail 3 or 4 impact players with these 5 picks. But the far more likely scenario is one impact player and one or two contributors ... that's about the batting average we had under Shanahan in Rounds 1-3.
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Jim Goodman was a wizard ... but with anybody else it'll be the same crapshoot it was before him. That's just logic.

We might get lucky with Kidd, we might nail 3 or 4 impact players with these 5 picks. But the far more likely scenario is one impact player and one or two contributors ... that's about the batting average we had under Shanahan in Rounds 1-3.
Bill Polian is a draft wizard. Goodman got lucky a couple of times. Anyway, the draft is a crapshoot for everybody. For every Hershel Walker there's an Archie Griffin. For every John Elway there's a Ryan Leaf. Make your prayers to this guy:


Maybe he can cast a spell and bring us some luck. I'm going to sacrifice my neighbor's cat to the Draft Gods, or that damn flicker that keeps banging on my roof.
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Bill Polian is a draft wizard. Goodman got lucky a couple of times. Anyway, the draft is a crapshoot for everybody. For every Hershel Walker there's an Archie Griffin. For every John Elway there's a Ryan Leaf. Make your prayers to this guy:


Maybe he can cast a spell and bring us some luck. I'm going to sacrifice my neighbor's cat to the Draft Gods, or that damn flicker that keeps banging on my roof.
I'll grant you the jury's still out on some of the players Goodman drafted (Larsen, Barrett, Jarvis), but to say Goodman just "got lucky a couple of times" is kinda silly there, Roh (or whoever you are).
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Why would Goodman get all the credit for those selections? You realize that Shanahan ultimately made the final call on the selections and that there are other scouts and people within player personnel who go to the games, bowls and write the reports, right? Goodman getting praise for the drafts we've had lately is ****ing hilarious.
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Jim Goodman was a wizard ... but with anybody else it'll be the same crapshoot it was before him. That's just logic.

We might get lucky with Kidd, we might nail 3 or 4 impact players with these 5 picks. But the far more likely scenario is one impact player and one or two contributors ... that's about the batting average we had under Shanahan in Rounds 1-3.
A wizard drafting offense. Aside from Doom his defensive picks don't look to good at the moment. Maybe this new regime will be able to pull off a good defensive draft. Something Denver hasn't had in.... I honestly cant remember when they did.
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I'll grant you the jury's still out on some of the players Goodman drafted (Larsen, Barrett, Jarvis), but to say Goodman just "got lucky a couple of times" is kinda silly there, Roh (or whoever you are).
Well, I realize that all the people that Bowlen fired were winged gods of gold, immaculate and perfect, and that we are now doomed to the subterranean darkness of failure til the end times, but a guy can hope.
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Bill Polian is a draft wizard. Goodman got lucky a couple of times. Anyway, the draft is a crapshoot for everybody. For every Hershel Walker there's an Archie Griffin. For every John Elway there's a Ryan Leaf. Make your prayers to this guy:


Maybe he can cast a spell and bring us some luck. I'm going to sacrifice my neighbor's cat to the Draft Gods, or that damn flicker that keeps banging on my roof.
I have a whole family of flickers and nuthatches I will donate as well. Sure am glad I'm renting.

I think we could also stand to gain from these picks. I'm we are taking players because they are best available, but not filling a need position we may be trading around alot to store up more picks for next year. The push for us to get that quarterback may be next year and not this year. How many total picks are we on the books for next year?
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