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Old 03-22-2009, 08:24 PM   #1
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DANA POINT, Calif. -- Based strictly on the talk among league media and personnel types at the owners' meetings, it appears the Denver Broncos will continue their efforts to mend fences with disgruntled quarterback Jay Cutler before they entertain any serious trade talks. The Detroit Lions are believed to be among 10 teams interested in dealing for Cutler. Those close to the situation say the Broncos are still trying to work out another meeting between Cutler and team officials.

Cutler's unhappiness in Denver hit a high when he found out he had been the subject of trade talks involving Detroit and Tampa Bay several weeks ago. At the time, the Broncos were attempting to get Matt Cassel in a trade exchange, but that fell through. Now that it appears unlikely the Broncos can acquire a young quarterback of Cutler's caliber in a deal, they're working hard to smooth over any ill feelings.

Because the team has been unable to get everyone on the same page yet, the belief is that teams will ratchet up their offers for Cutler during the owners meetings and that something might break quickly. So far, though, it's been quiet.


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As someone pointed out, it sure has been quiet.
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hmm...maybe the team meant it when they said Cutler is not up for trade...


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I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.
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I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.
Think it matters more to get the HC and the QB together first. They will spend more time together than Bowlen and Cutler will.


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hmm...maybe the team meant it when they said Cutler is not up for trade...


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Think it matters more to get the HC and the QB together first. They will spend more time together than Bowlen and Cutler will.


It is true that they will eventually be spending a great deal of time together (if this is worked out), but what is needed now is a relaxation of tensions. Despite having a deteriorated relationship with his owner, Jay's still probably on better terms and can communicate better with Pat than Josh. Josh also has this annoying tendency to **** things up. We don't need anymore macho approaches. McDaniels presence does not add anything of value. His presence is a hinderance to possible progress and an unnecessary irritant. It is best, IMO, to start off with just Cutler and Bowlen as there is at least some kind of trust and respect there even if its not as great as it once was.
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I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.
That's probably the best avenue.

With the possible 2011 work stoppage looming, it is evident that Cutler wants a deal. He deserves a deal, IMO. I was listening to the local ESPN radio station to Micheal Irvin and Nate Newton talking about this (I usually skip over the channel when that show is on). They made some really good points about the whole thing.

They said (something to this effect) that Cutler had been building his career in the Broncos system under Shanny/Bates. They also said that a QB's 4th season is usually the season that a player hits full stride in a system. Cutler was entering that season, and was counting on that season as a springboard for a lucrative deal.

Then...Shanny and bates are both gone and in comes a guy who tries to trade him to bring in his own guy.

Cutler is now in an insecure situation in which he cannot count on his coaching staff to put him in a situation that benefits him contract-wise, so in a counteraction, Jay pushes for a trade. Irvin and Newton both said that if Bowlen and McD chose to extend Jay a multi-year talent-appropriate contract, that it would probably smooth things over and end it on the spot. This would be proof that the franchise is committed to him long term, and both Newton and Irvin were convinced that Jay is worried that he could get screwed over by the new administration.

This is a business, folks, and people are in business to get paid. There is nothing wrong with putting yourself in the best position possible for you and your loved ones.

Pay Jay.
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I'm glad and encouraged that they are still working at it, but I think it would be more productive it if was just Bowlen and Cutler having dinner or something informal like that. No Cook and no McDaniels.
I'd think it would be Jay,Josh and Pat. But Cook is attached to Jay's hip now.


Also I get the feeling that Bowlen is tired or annoyed with Jay. Just the comments he's made and his actions of late kinda make it seem that he may be fed up dealing with Jay and Cook.
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I'd think it would be Jay,Josh and Pat. But Cook is attached to Jay's hip now.


Also I get the feeling that Bowlen is tired or annoyed with Jay. Just the comments he's made and his actions of late kinda make it seem that he may be fed up dealing with Jay and Cook.
IMO, if McDaniels is added to the mix, then Cook should be as well. You can't just say "oh...we'll bring whoever we want and you can only come by yourself". McDaniels presence adds, as I mentioned before, an unnecessary irritant to the matter and Cutler would probably (correctly) insist therefore on Cook making an appearance, too. Just keep it between the QB and his owner, at first. Baby steps.
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Also I get the feeling that Bowlen is tired or annoyed with Jay. Just the comments he's made and his actions of late kinda make it seem that he may be fed up dealing with Jay and Cook.
If that's the case, then Bowlen is washed up and useless.

If you cant try to secure your #1 asset because you dont want to deal with the problem, then you are primed for failure.
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This is a business, folks, and people are in business to get paid. There is nothing wrong with putting yourself in the best position possible for you and your loved ones. Pay Jay.
Jay isn't hurting for dollars, his parents are set and he's single.

Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus. 2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus) 2012: Free Agent. 45% of the deal's max value is performance incentives. Among them is a $1.95 million escalator for any year of 2006-2010 that he finishes in the top five in any of the NFL's major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps in 2009. There also is a $500,000 bonus available 2006-2010 for taking 70% of the snaps and either taking 70% of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.
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If that's the case, then Bowlen is washed up and useless.

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That may very well be the case. I hope it isn't, but recent events don't exactly inspire alot of confidence in the man.
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Jay isn't hurting for dollars, his parents are set and he's single.
It doesnt matter if he's "hurting for dollars" according to what your standard is. People are in this game to bag wealth. These arent regular construction working blue collar types, they are finely tuned performance machines that are the core of a multi-billion dollar entertainment venture. Jay is on the verge of being one of the best players in the game.

These guys are in it for a percentage of the take...relative to what the standard is for their performance. Jay wants to get his before the thing collapses. Cant blame him for that.
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Meh... when the dust settles and everyone gets over their respective butthurt, there will be two undeniable truths:

1. Cutler is under contract and holds no leverage.

2. McDaniels will have no grace period for rebuilding should he somehow manage to move Cutler.

I fully expect Jay to be a Bronco through 2010.
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Josh also has this annoying tendency to **** things up. We don't need anymore macho approaches. McDaniels presence does not add anything of value

Josh has been fairly quiet about the whole scenario. Everything we heard about this situation has either been through team statements, which are always dry, or Cutler talking to Vic Lombardi or some other fraud with a microphone. I am not entirely sure Bowlen would want to talk to Jay, who made it clear even phone calls from the owner wont prompt him to put on the big boy pants. If the source of all the tension is between Josh and Jay, how is putting off a meeting going to help solve anything? IMO, sooner you get irritant A with irritant B, and let them hash it out, the better.

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IMO, sooner you get irritant A with irritant B, and let them hash it out, the better.

I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.
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I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.
That's because McD is a friggin' idiot.
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I dunno, we tried that last time and it made things alot worse.
Ya but that wasn't one on one like you said. Cook was there talking in Jay's ear.

Jay and Josh are going to have to be face to face sooner or later.
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That's because McD is a friggin' idiot.
That's why I don't want him at the meeting. I don't want him within 30 square miles of the meeting. It's just going to degenerate further. You gotta start out with Pat and Jay only in the beginning.
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Meh... when the dust settles and everyone gets over their respective butthurt, there will be two undeniable truths:

1. Cutler is under contract and holds no leverage.

2. McDaniels will have no grace period for rebuilding should he somehow manage to move Cutler.

I fully expect Jay to be a Bronco through 2010.
Why would McD not get a grace period if he trades Cutler

I would think most fans would get the idea we are truly rebuilding even though most fans hate the idea of losing Cutler. Our D is still weak.
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According to Bus Cook...



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Ya but that wasn't one on one like you said. Cook was there talking in Jay's ear.

Jay and Josh are going to have to be face to face sooner or later.
Again, I am not disputing that they will eventually to have work together on a daily basis and spend hours and hours on end together every day, but the immediate objective is to reduce tensions. It has already been shown that Jay and Josh together in a room doesn't end well. You gotta go with the better relationship at first to start cultivating the rapprochement. Later they can bring McD into it once they've started to make headway (and when he comes into the picture, he needs to be ORDERED by Bowlen in no uncertain terms not be a dickhead).
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That's why I don't want him at the meeting. I don't want him within 30 square miles of the meeting. It's just going to degenerate further. You gotta start out with Pat and Jay only in the beginning.
That dude has to be braindead. How to you go into a reconciliation meeting where the center of the problem is the possibility of trade, and still try to force the issue?

"We like you Jay, but I will trade you at any time." "Now..are we square?"

Goodness...what a fool. Even if you do intend to keep that door open somewhere down the line, you dont try to prove your bossmanliness to your franchise QB by reiterating the fact that you have the power to do that.

McD is the insecure little pansy here.
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That's because McD is a friggin' idiot.

With his extensive history of coaching teams and building rosters, you can make that assumption how? Because of the sayso of one b****y player and his cancerous testicle-like agent?


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