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Old 03-22-2009, 05:55 PM   #1
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LIONS COMMENCE NEGOTIATIONS FOR NO. 1 PICK
Posted by Mike Florio on March 22, 2009, 7:30 p.m.
The Detroit Lions hold the first overall pick in the draft. And they have the ability, if they so choose, to sign the player to a contract in advance of the draft.

According to Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com, the Lions have commenced the process of negotiating a contract with “their first-round draft pick.”

The player has yet to be identified.

Though the early portions of the report from Kowalski imply that the Lions are talking to only one player, quotes in the story suggest that the Lions plan to expand the process.

“We have to have robust dialogue with the agents of the players we’re interested in,” Lions president Tom Lewand said. “We’ve started that process and we’ve made it very clear to all of them that we have to have that as this month draws to a close.”

Consequently, we must break from our recent habit of bashing the Lions and applaud them.

The Lions should be talking to multiple players, if for no reason other than to leverage their actual favorite into taking a lower deal. If, along the way, their second choice is willing to take a much lower contract, then the Lions might decide to take that guy, instead.

“We won’t put a timetable on it,” Lewand said. “From our standpoint, it’s whenever everything that needs to come together, comes together. There’s no timetable one way or the other. If we make the decision and [G.M.] Martin [Mayhew] and [coach] Jim [Schwartz] and everybody else is comfortable with it and we can come to a contract with the guy, there’s no reason we can’t do that tomorrow. If we can’t — and any one of those pieces isn’t in place — and it doesn’t get done until the night before the draft, that’s fine, too.

“Whenever the muffin rises above the tin, it’s time to eat.”

OK, that last part was stupid. But we otherwise agree completely with everything Lewand is saying.
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Old 03-22-2009, 05:57 PM   #2
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Also, Cutler related. Nothing new, but....

COLUMNIST: CUTLER SHOULD FIRE COOK
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 22, 2009, 3:11 p.m.
It’s no surprise that agent James “Bus” Cook has become an unpopular figure in Denver as he has been widely labeled as the instigator in the raging dispute between his client, quarterback Jay Cutler, and Denver Broncos management.

In the opinion and strong language of Denver Post columnist Mark Kiszla, Cutler should fire Cook.

Kiszla called Cook a “two-fisted, money-grubbing agent who has Cutler wrapped around his finger like a puppet and seems to enjoy yanking the chain of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen. While earning free publicity at the expense of Cutler’s good name, Cook has wrecked the working relationship between Jay-C and Denver to the point of no repair, if you’re asking me.”

Ouch.

The columnist goes on to say that Cutler has been “brainwashed” by Cook to believe he’s a superior player than he actually is, referencing his 17-20 record as a starter, adding that Cutler “has a large ego an agent could lead around the NFL, forever in search of greener pastures and paychecks, at the expense of success defined by the scoreboard.”

Cook also drew caustic remarks during Brett Favre’s divorce from the Green Bay Packers.
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Btw, I wouldn't say that Detroit negotiating (if they are) with their #1 pick precludes anything as far as a trade. I still think their #20 pick is attractive, and could be a nice part of a package that includes picks next year.
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Here's a link to the Kiszla column Florio references.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11970093
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It's rare I ever agree with Kizla. He never missed a chance to always criticize Shanahan, way before I started and before I thought was warranted. Plus his sarcastic "mastermind" stuff in reference to Shanahan got old since it wasn't usually done in a complimentary way.

As for the Lions, I think they'd be wise to go OT with the top pick unless they are sold Stafford is the second coming at QB, which seems a question at this point. They could go with say QB Freeman at #20 if going QB in the draft. It wasn't long ago they went with a QB high in the draft, Harrington, and that didn't go well.
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Wait...Kiszla sided with management?


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If McDaniels is anything like Belichick, he wouldn't prefer high-price first rounders. It's not the Broncos.
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Wait...Kiszla sided with management?



He had a thing against Shanahan. I don't know what it was, but if I remember correctly, it seemed to start around the Griese-Brister thing.
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We’re putting this one squarely in the “rumor” file for now. But since this is a “rumor mill,” we’re not going to ignore it pending official confirmation or a second source.

There’s a rumor making the rounds in league circles that the Lions are focused not on Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford, but on USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

As previously mentioned, the Lions apparently plan to talk to multiple players about a possible rookie contract. It could be that the Lions will float multiple names, and ultimately talk to multiple players, in order to soften up the expectations of the guy whom they really want.
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He had a thing against Shanahan. I don't know what it was, but if I remember correctly, it seemed to start around the Griese-Brister thing.
Kizla HATED Shanahan and would imagine all sorts of things he was doing wrong that weren't there.
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Kiszla called Cook a “two-fisted, money-grubbing agent who has Cutler wrapped around his finger like a puppet and seems to enjoy yanking the chain of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen. While earning free publicity at the expense of Cutler’s good name, Cook has wrecked the working relationship between Jay-C and Denver to the point of no repair, if you’re asking me.”
Complete bull ****. Bowlen deserves getting his chain yanked for his incompence.

Again, neither Cutler nor Cook have asked for a new contract. I they get one from a new team, it none of Denvers business, other than they have to find someone that McDummy has personally groomed, apparently.
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Amid comments from Lions president Tom Lewand indicating that the team will talk to multiple possible candidates for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft before making a final decision, the folks at KFFL are reporting, with Salisbury-esque certainty, that Baylor tackle Jason Smith will be the pick.

There’s no ambiguity in the one-sentence report: “KFFL has learned the Detroit Lions will take Baylor OT Jason Smith with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.”

If the Lions already have made that decision, and if Smith is the only person with whom they plan to negotiate, then the Lions deserve to go 0-16 for sixteen more years.

Frankly, we don’t think that even the Lions are quite that stupid. Our guess is that someone at KFFL has at best caught wind of the fact that the Lions are negotiating with Smith’s agent.

But this hardly means that Smith is the pick.

Said Lewand: “We have to have robust dialogue with the agents of the players we’re interested in. We’ve started that process and we’ve made it very clear to all of them that we have to have that as this month draws to a close.”

That said, maybe Smith ultimately will be the guy. Based on Lewand’s comments, we’d be shocked if that decision already has been made.
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Also, Cutler related. Nothing new, but....

COLUMNIST: CUTLER SHOULD FIRE COOK
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 22, 2009, 3:11 p.m.
It’s no surprise that agent James “Bus” Cook has become an unpopular figure in Denver as he has been widely labeled as the instigator in the raging dispute between his client, quarterback Jay Cutler, and Denver Broncos management.

In the opinion and strong language of Denver Post columnist Mark Kiszla, Cutler should fire Cook.

Kiszla called Cook a “two-fisted, money-grubbing agent who has Cutler wrapped around his finger like a puppet and seems to enjoy yanking the chain of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen. While earning free publicity at the expense of Cutler’s good name, Cook has wrecked the working relationship between Jay-C and Denver to the point of no repair, if you’re asking me.”

Ouch.

The columnist goes on to say that Cutler has been “brainwashed” by Cook to believe he’s a superior player than he actually is, referencing his 17-20 record as a starter, adding that Cutler “has a large ego an agent could lead around the NFL, forever in search of greener pastures and paychecks, at the expense of success defined by the scoreboard.”

Cook also drew caustic remarks during Brett Favre’s divorce from the Green Bay Packers.
Who is Aaron Wilson, and why the **** should anyone care what he thinks of Kizla's opinion of Bus Cook?
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Yeah apparently Kiszla was reading the Omane and after 20 or so threads decided that Popps was right and Taco John was wrong.
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KFFL reporting the Lions are looking at Baylor OT Jason Smith.
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Yeah apparently Kiszla was reading the Omane and after 20 or so threads decided that Popps was right and Taco John was wrong.

Huh. Figures.


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He had a thing against Shanahan. I don't know what it was, but if I remember correctly, it seemed to start around the Griese-Brister thing.
I dont know where it started either but I remember in a couple of Shanahans press conferences hearing Kiszla ask a dumb question and Shanahan making fun of him.
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KFFL reporting the Lions are looking at Baylor OT Jason Smith.
That move makes way too much sense for the Lions. It has to be a smokescreen for Crabtree.
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Who is Aaron Wilson, and why the **** should anyone care what he thinks of Kizla's opinion of Bus Cook?
Here's the full article that the PFT writer was referencing...

Columnist: Cutler's problem is Bus Cook; fire him

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First it was John Elway saying Jay Cutler needs better advice. Now the pundits are piling on.

Denver Post columnist Mark Kiszla called for Cutler to fire his agent, Bus Cook, whom Kiszla said is leading the young quarterback astray.

From Kiszla:

"If Cutler has anything more than a Beatles haircut between his ears, our disgruntled quarterback would come to his senses and do something smart for a change.

"Cutler should fire Bus Cook, the two-fisted, money-grubbing agent who has Cutler wrapped around his finger like a puppet and seems to enjoy yanking the chain of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen."

Cutler, 25, is good, but not good enough to be calling the shots to the Broncos, Kiszla argued. The often-pouting quarterback is prime material for Cook, who also represented Brett Favre during his trade standoff last summer. Cutler "has a large ego an agent could lead around the NFL, forever in search of greener pastures and paychecks, at the expense of success defined by the scoreboard," Kiszla said.

Last week, Elway told the Pueblo Chieftain that Cutler's fight with the Broncos was "sad and unfortunate," and said Cutler needs to seek new counsel.

"I wish Jay would have got some better advice from whoever he was getting advice from," the Hall of Famer said.

One person Cutler can count on not hearing from is commissioner Roger Goodell. He told the Denver Post he will not be intervening.

"It's not on my list," Goodell said.
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Here's the full article that the PFT writer was referencing...

Columnist: Cutler's problem is Bus Cook; fire him

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First it was John Elway saying Jay Cutler needs better advice. Now the pundits are piling on.

Denver Post columnist Mark Kiszla called for Cutler to fire his agent, Bus Cook, whom Kiszla said is leading the young quarterback astray.

From Kiszla:

"If Cutler has anything more than a Beatles haircut between his ears, our disgruntled quarterback would come to his senses and do something smart for a change.

"Cutler should fire Bus Cook, the two-fisted, money-grubbing agent who has Cutler wrapped around his finger like a puppet and seems to enjoy yanking the chain of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen."

Cutler, 25, is good, but not good enough to be calling the shots to the Broncos, Kiszla argued. The often-pouting quarterback is prime material for Cook, who also represented Brett Favre during his trade standoff last summer. Cutler "has a large ego an agent could lead around the NFL, forever in search of greener pastures and paychecks, at the expense of success defined by the scoreboard," Kiszla said.

Last week, Elway told the Pueblo Chieftain that Cutler's fight with the Broncos was "sad and unfortunate," and said Cutler needs to seek new counsel.

"I wish Jay would have got some better advice from whoever he was getting advice from," the Hall of Famer said.

One person Cutler can count on not hearing from is commissioner Roger Goodell. He told the Denver Post he will not be intervening.

"It's not on my list," Goodell said.


Popps, youre ready to move on, arent you?

Its a shame that we saw the franchise turn its back on another QB and destroy the team only to possibly repeat the mistake a few years later.

Oh, lament the loss of the days of Plummer!
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Popps, youre ready to move on, arent you?

Its a shame that we saw the franchise turn its back on another QB and destroy the team only to possibly repeat the mistake a few years later.

Oh, lament the loss of the days of Plummer!
I wish I had any idea what that meant.

Actually, I take that back. I'm pretty happy not knowing.
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I wish I had any idea what that meant.

Actually, I take that back. I'm pretty happy not knowing.
Oh, its just a little comment. Dont be confused by the smilies and dont take it seriously.

Are you not ready to move on? Has that not been the timbre of your posts?
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Oh, its just a little comment. Dont be confused by the smilies and dont take it seriously.

Are you not ready to move on? Has that not been the timbre of your posts?
I wouldn't put it quite that way.... but if you mean to just get a solution sooner than later, of course. I think most people are.

Taco (of all people) summed it up fairly well. He said his heart wants Jay to stay, but his head knows it's probably not going to work out. I'd say that's fairly accurate.

I want this to work out as much as anyone on this board. The things that separates my (and others) opinion on the matter is..

1. I don't believe the club owes Jay anything. I believe, hurt feelings or not... Cutler has a chance to be a true pro here, and he's chosen not to.

2. I've watched this team for 30 years and the franchise won't be "destroyed" if we have to move Cutler. Not even close.

3. I believe McDaniels deserves a chance to put his system in place before he's deemed a loser, and if Cutler doesn't want to be a part of it at this stage, let's get someone who does. But, I'm not down with the "kill the coach" nonsense before the guy ever coaches a single practice.
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