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Old 03-21-2009, 01:31 PM   #1
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3. Try again, Josh

I've never seen a head coach foul up a situation more than what Denver's Josh McDaniels did with Jay Cutler.


But he still can make it right, if he stops reading Eric Mangini's notes from the Bill Belichick playbook.

To me, McDaniels had one move. The new Denver coach had to sit in a room with Cutler over the weekend and simply tell him that yes, he tried to trade for Matt Cassel. But then he needed to say he was wrong, sorry, and they need to win Super Bowls together.

Telling the franchise quarterback that he will always look to improve the club was not the play.

McDaniels needed to tell Cutler he was his guy, let's grab a coffee, and draw plays together.

Instead, the neophyte coach botched the situation. Badly.

Cutler wants out, demanding a trade. He's a young star who hasn't reached his full potential. McDaniels, a quarterback guru, was hired to maximize him.

There is absolutely no deal Denver can make where the Broncos come out on top. And for that, you solely blame McDaniels.

Which is why, and maybe I am the last person on the planet who believes this, McDaniels needs to realize the seriousness of the situation, call Cutler into his office and read from my script above.

Make Cutler feel wanted. Do it today. It's only your job at stake.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9348204/Schein's-Nine:-Belichick-piecing-together-title-team
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:36 PM   #2
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Very good insight by Adam Schein, as usual.
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:47 PM   #3
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I have stated in many threads that I feel cutler needs to suck it up and quit puss* footin around, but I do feel that McD must and I say must sit down with Cutler and make nice!!
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Yeah, he and Solomon Wilcots are in lock-step on this...have been the whole time. Its a really good time to have Sirius. Most of the talking heads on E!SPN are fawning over all things patriots.
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yup...there's only really one play for the Broncos if winning is truly what's most important
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:12 PM   #6
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Indeed. It's called an extension.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:22 PM   #7
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I have stated in many threads that I feel cutler needs to suck it up and quit puss* footin around, but I do feel that McD must and I say must sit down with Cutler and make nice!!
I've been staying out of this whole mess, but didn't Josh want that but Cutler said he wouldn't do it without Bus Cook being there which led to Xanders joining in?
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:27 PM   #8
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Yeah, he and Solomon Wilcots are in lock-step on this...have been the whole time. Its a really good time to have Sirius. Most of the talking heads on E!SPN are fawning over all things patriots.
Agreed.

I tend to agree with Schein's take almost all the time, so it's hard not to like their show...plus it's extremely entertaining, especially for a radio show. Regardless of who's fault it is, as the coach, McDaniels should be making the effort to reach out first. If Cutler/Cook continue to play hard ball so be it, but McD is making it very easy for them to do so and play it off as the victims. They need to lock Cutler into an extension.
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I've been staying out of this whole mess, but didn't Josh want that but Cutler said he wouldn't do it without Bus Cook being there which led to Xanders joining in?
Yes.
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Wasn't there a meeting before that held by Bowlen, Ellis, Xanders, and McD? I've read that, doesn't make it true though.
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Both of them are idiots with Jay just dragging it out even more.
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Both of them are idiots with Jay just dragging it out even more.
It's a business, right?
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Wasn't there a meeting before that held by Bowlen, Ellis, Xanders, and McD? I've read that, doesn't make it true though.
There's been talk about it, but other reports have Jay out of town when that meeting was supposed to have taken place.
The one we are sure about was the most recent, when McDdaniels and Jay were supposed to meet face to face.
That's the meeting that Jay insisted his agent attend.....requiring Xanders to attend also.

This entire situation is so messy and cloudy, I'm surprised the Broncos organization hasn't provided a time line and description of the events.
That would end a lot of speculation and cut down on a lot of repetitive threads.

Of course, Jay and his agent will have a very different version. So maybe not.
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There's been talk about it, but other reports have Jay out of town when that meeting was supposed to have taken place.
The one we are sure about was the most recent, when McDdaniels and Jay were supposed to meet face to face.
That's the meeting that Jay insisted his agent attend.....requiring Xanders to attend also.

This entire situation is so messy and cloudy, I'm surprised the Broncos organization hasn't provided a time line and description of the events.
That would end a lot of speculation and cut down on a lot of repetitive threads.

Of course, Jay and his agent will have a very different version. So maybe not.
So they could look ****tier than they already do...?
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Jay needs to remain a Bronco. I hope this happens.
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So they could look ****tier than they already do...?
Oh, I get it, no need to deal with facts, you've made up your mind and know exactly what happened.
Well done, you know more than anyone.
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Oh, I get it, no need to deal with facts, you've made up your mind and know exactly what happened.
Well done, you know more than anyone.
Well, everything that's come out of Dove Valley this off-season has directly contradicted other statements out of Dove Valley this off-season, so paint that however you want.
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Well, everything that's come out of Dove Valley this off-season has directly contradicted other statements out of Dove Valley this off-season, so paint that however you want.
That's why I suggested the Broncos release a time line and description of events.
All we have now are rumors, contradictions and assumptions.
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That's why I suggested the Broncos release a time line and description of events.
All we have now are rumors, contradictions and assumptions.
Pat quotes:"Cutler is the man around here these days, and I'll be talking to him throughout this process"
"I didn't meet with Jay Cutler. hh, I don't REMEMBER meeting with Jay. I'm getting up there in age."

"The Goodmans will have their jobs."
McD: "I'll be working closely with the Goodmans. They've obviously done a great job recently in personnel decisions"

"All we did was answer phones"
"We were too late to the dance"

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Seems to me, if anyone in Dove Valley makes a glowing statement about you, you better pack your ****.
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Pat quotes:"Cutler is the man around here these days, and I'll be talking to him throughout this process"
"I didn't meet with Jay Cutler. hh, I don't REMEMBER meeting with Jay. I'm getting up there in age."

"The Goodmans will have their jobs."
McD: "I'll be working closely with the Goodmans. They've obviously done a great job recently in personnel decisions"

"All we did was answer phones"
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Seems to me, if anyone in Dove Valley makes a glowing statement about you, you better pack your ****.
Seems to me, you're making my point exactly. Thanks.
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Not really... public quotes are fact. They've been full of **** all off-season.

Why would them providing a time line do anything for anyone trying to discern a shred of truth from the situation?
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Make Cutler feel wanted.



First off, it's been published multiple times that McDaniels has invited Culter to sit down and talk football on more than one occasion.

Jay showed up with his DA-DA, and all bets were off.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how naive people are about this issue. It's almost frightening.

Jay's REFUSING to talk to the coach without a massive contract extension, or... that's the going line of reasoning and considering Jay had to bring DA-DA to what was supposed to be a one-to-one player/coach meeting, no one seems to be denying that this is the case.

Cutler wants a guarantee, before he ever throws a football for the new coach.... this, after holding out, skipping meetings and making himself the biggest distraction in the history of the franchise.

Yea, go ahead Pat... let this punk run your business for you. Let him make you his b****. Give him what he wants, despite him showing no willingness to work with the staff, come to a meeting, nothing.

Go ahead, Broncos... extend Cutler's contract. Set the precedent of rewarding ****-can behavior. Let me know how that works out for the franchise.
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All we have now are rumors, contradictions and assumptions.
How could they EVER hope to do this when the owner can't even remember conversations that he was specifically quoted on?
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So Adam Schein agrees that treating Cutler like a girl dumped at the prom is the order of business.

Here's a thought: Jay, grow some balls and quit whining like a little girl.
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With my 2,000th post, I am officially bowing out of this never-ending argument. I have said basically everything that I have to say, probably too many times, and I'm just sick of talking about it. Guys like Popps and Apa are not going to change their opinions this late in the game and neither am I. I just feel like the horse we continue to beat was dead even before it started walking, in that we didn't know much of the truth to begin with, and here we are waiting for the slightest twitch of life so that we can jump back on and give it a few more whacks.

I hope Jay is bluffing about wanting to be traded, and I hope Josh really does want Jay as his quarterback. Time will tell. I'll be back to talk draft.
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