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Old 03-21-2009, 10:03 AM   #1
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Each team is allowed 30 private workouts prior to the draft, and for once the names of the players we are talking to seem to be available.

We have met with the following players so far:

BJ Raji, DT (1st)
Malcolm Jenkins, FS/CB (1st)
Connor Barwin, OLB/DE/TE (2nd)
Brian Orakpo, OLB/DE (1st)
Donald Green, RB (2nd)
Rashad Jennings, RB (3rd)
Pat White, QB/WR (4th-5th)
Eric Wood, OC/OG (2nd)
Kevin Barnes, CB (3rd)


Please feel free to add names as we go, I will try to keep this list updated for reference.
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OFFENSE

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Curtis Painter (Purdue) - 5th-6th Round

RBs
Knowshon Moreno (Georgia) - Early - Mid Round 1
Chris Wells (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Donald Brown (Connecticut) - Mid-Late Round 1
Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Early Round 2

WRs
Mike Thomas (Arizona) - Late Round 2 (also has value as a return specialist)
Eron Riley (Duke) - Late Round 3 - Round 6
Pat White (West Virginia) - Round 3 - Round 4 (Worked him out as a WR)

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Richard Quinn (North Carolina) - Round 6 - Undrafted FA (Badass blocking TE)

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Eric Wood (Louisville) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2



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DTs
BJ Raji (Boston College) - Early Round 1
Roy Miller (Texas) - 5th Round - 7tth Round (Pure 2 gap NT)

OLB/DEs
Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) - Mid-Late Round 1
Robert Ayers (Tennessee) - Mid - Late Round 1
David Veikune (Hawaii) - Late Round 3 - Early Round 5
Victor Butler (Oregon State) - Round 4 - Round 6
Cody Brown (Connecticut) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Brian Orakpo (Texas) - Early Round 1

CBs
Malcom Jenkins (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Kevin Barnes (Maryland) - Early Round 3 - Round 4

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Javon Ringer will be worked out on the 24th.
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:19 AM   #4
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Add Brian Cushing of USC to the list as well.


I really like him as a person and prospect, I'm just not sure how well he would fit as a 3-4 OLB. And I'm not entirely thrilled with the idea of taking an ILB high in this draft.
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i wonder if there will be smoke screens like in the shanny era...a private work-out means they wont be drafted....lol
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:50 AM   #6
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i wonder if there will be smoke screens like in the shanny era...a private work-out means they wont be drafted....lol
Personally, I'm hoping McDaniels adopts Belichick/Pioli's draft philosophy, as it is one that I share.

They identify a player they like and have faith in to be productive, they then try and identify where that player will go in the draft (draft value), they settle on an earliest point, and then they trade up/down *in front of* that earliest point and do a small reach for the player they want.

The Patriots seem to reach with every selection. Not a bad reach, just an intelligent and well planned reach. I love this philosophy because it makes drafting much easier. You won't always be right with where you project other teams to value players, but by consistently reaching, you tend to insure you get the players you want.


Also, the other side of the Prospect Workout coin is that the prospect can bomb the individual workout, and thus, be taken off our board. Not by a smokescreen, but by a poor performance that was not anticipated.

And with all the RBs and OLBs we've brought in, I'm sure a few have taken themselves out of our draft wishlist due to underperforming in comparison to similarly valued prospects that we've also brought in.
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Personally, I'm hoping McDaniels adopts Belichick/Pioli's draft philosophy, as it is one that I share.

They identify a player they like and have faith in to be productive, they then try and identify where that player will go in the draft (draft value), they settle on an earliest point, and then they trade up/down *in front of* that earliest point and do a small reach for the player they want.

The Patriots seem to reach with every selection. Not a bad reach, just an intelligent and well planned reach. I love this philosophy because it makes drafting much easier. You won't always be right with where you project other teams to value players, but by consistently reaching, you tend to insure you get the players you want.


Also, the other side of the Prospect Workout coin is that the prospect can bomb the individual workout, and thus, be taken off our board. Not by a smokescreen, but by a poor performance that was not anticipated.

And with all the RBs and OLBs we've brought in, I'm sure a few have taken themselves out of our draft wishlist due to underperforming in comparison to similarly valued prospects that we've also brought in.

What is a reach is always debatable but they have made several early round picks that can't be described as reaches. Maroney for one, Chad Jackson, Shawn Crable were all players who were expected to be drafted higher than they were. Mayo could be considered a reach since he wasn't believed to be a high 1st round pick, Meriweather had the skill to be drafted top half of the 1st round but some character issues. O'Connell was a bit of a surprise, and could be said to be a reach.

The one thing with the Patriots that stick out over the last 8 years is that they get 2 or 3 players in each draft who are contributors. They often draft players for the front early and then go for skill later, that fits the MO of having a solid base and then filling in intelligent and versatile players that fit the system later. This is what I hope we will do as well (and have done over the last couple of drafts.).
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What is a reach is always debatable but they have made several early round picks that can't be described as reaches. Maroney for one, Chad Jackson, Shawn Crable were all players who were expected to be drafted higher than they were. Mayo could be considered a reach since he wasn't believed to be a high 1st round pick, Meriweather had the skill to be drafted top half of the 1st round but some character issues. O'Connell was a bit of a surprise, and could be said to be a reach.

The one thing with the Patriots that stick out over the last 8 years is that they get 2 or 3 players in each draft who are contributors. They often draft players for the front early and then go for skill later, that fits the MO of having a solid base and then filling in intelligent and versatile players that fit the system later. This is what I hope we will do as well (and have done over the last couple of drafts.).

Fair Enough. And I agree with your closing thought 100%.



Also, this nugget of info was posted on TFY's member section:

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Finally, Tampa Bay has set a date to bring Ron Brace of Boston College to town. Brace will also visit the New Orleans Saints and have private workouts with the Denver Broncos and New England Patriots.

The New England Patriots will be one busy team. They are scheduled to have a private workout with San Jose State cornerback Christopher Owens and Texas A&M signal caller Stephen McGee.

McGee will also workout with the Carolina Panthers. McGee has received heavy interest from Dallas, Houston, Seattle, Denver and has also met with the Jaguars.

So, it looks like we can add Ron Brace to the list of players worked out, and we'll have to keep an eye on Stephen McGee to see if we bring him in or not.
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Is there any way McDaniels goes offense in the first? Knowshon, Brown, Jennings, and Beanie Wells are all early round players. Honestly, Wells reminds me of Maroney, strictly from a physical standpoint. Could that be a temptation?
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Is there any way McDaniels goes offense in the first? Knowshon, Brown, Jennings, and Beanie Wells are all early round players. Honestly, Wells reminds me of Maroney, strictly from a physical standpoint. Could that be a temptation?
I Would say there is a meassurable probability that he goes WR in the 1st round, but I doubt any other player will have good value where we are drafting, so unless we trade we are going WR or defense in my view.

Moreno and Wells are not good value at number 12, we would have to move down to get either one. I would say we would be better off getting a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round if we draft a RB.

Right now I believe we are chosing between Raji, Jenkins, Cushing and Tyson Jackson unless we trade in the draft.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:16 PM   #12
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Are we gonna work out percy harvin? This is someone I would def take at 12.
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Are we gonna work out percy harvin? This is someone I would def take at 12.
Not what I have heard of, we haven't worked out with any 1st round WRs. Harvin at 12 would be a bit of a reach given his position of play and his experience level and the fact that most Florida WRs fail badly.
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Is there any way McDaniels goes offense in the first? Knowshon, Brown, Jennings, and Beanie Wells are all early round players. Honestly, Wells reminds me of Maroney, strictly from a physical standpoint. Could that be a temptation?
I'd say it looks like they're positioning for a 2nd or 3rd round slider, and checking out all the guys they find interesting from within that group of potentials.
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OFFENSE

QB
Curtis Painter (Purdue) - 5th-6th Round

RBs
Knowshon Moreno (Georgia) - Early - Mid Round 1
Chris Wells (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Donald Brown (Connecticut) - Mid-Late Round 1
Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Early Round 2
NEW - Lesean Mccoy (Pittsburch) - Late Round 1, Early Round 2

WRs
Mike Thomas (Arizona) - Late Round 2 (also has value as a return specialist)
Eron Riley (Duke) - Late Round 3 - Round 6
Pat White (West Virginia) - Round 3 - Round 4 (Worked him out as a WR)

TE
Richard Quinn (North Carolina) - Round 6 - Undrafted FA (Badass blocking TE)

OC
Eric Wood (Louisville) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2



DEFENSE

DTs
BJ Raji (Boston College) - Early Round 1
Roy Miller (Texas) - 5th Round - 7tth Round (Pure 2 gap NT)

OLB/DEs
Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) - Mid-Late Round 1
Robert Ayers (Tennessee) - Mid - Late Round 1
David Veikune (Hawaii) - Late Round 3 - Early Round 5
Victor Butler (Oregon State) - Round 4 - Round 6
Cody Brown (Connecticut) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Brian Orakpo (Texas) - Early Round 1
Brian Cushing (USC) - Round 1

CBs
Malcom Jenkins (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Kevin Barnes (Maryland) - Early Round 3 - Round 4
Darius Butler (Connecticut) - Round 2/3

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Louis Delmas (Western Michigan) - Round 2
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I'd say it looks like they're positioning for a 2nd or 3rd round slider, and checking out all the guys they find interesting from within that group of potentials.

That seems to be more the case with the WRs. It seems like theyre considering taking a RB in the first but possibly want to see what the difference is between a 1st rd back and a 3rd by bringing them in and kicking the tires. So basically, if theyre far more impressed with Moreno or Wells than anyone else, they might go that way. If theres possibly anything that makes sense from the FA signings its that it seems that they positioned themselves to have flexibility to draft any position in the first. I dont think theyll take a RB in the first. I really hope Im wrong, though. Id really start to warm up to McDaniels if they took a RB in the first. Ive said countless times that we should maximize a strength, not minimize it.
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That seems to be more the case with the WRs. It seems like theyre considering taking a RB in the first but possibly want to see what the difference is between a 1st rd back and a 3rd by bringing them in and kicking the tires. So basically, if theyre far more impressed with Moreno or Wells than anyone else, they might go that way. If theres possibly anything that makes sense from the FA signings its that it seems that they positioned themselves to have flexibility to draft any position in the first. I dont think theyll take a RB in the first. I really hope Im wrong, though. Id really start to warm up to McDaniels if they took a RB in the first. Ive said countless times that we should maximize a strength, not minimize it.
I'm expecting some significant sliders myself, and don't see an RB in this class worth a top 15 pick and there is a tight pack of guys who all fit in the mid-1st to early 2nd category. Add a big RB class last year and I think we're very likely to see a couple good value guys sliding to our 2nd round pick.
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I'm expecting some significant sliders myself, and don't see an RB in this class worth a top 15 pick and there is a tight pack of guys who all fit in the mid-1st to early 2nd category. Add a big RB class last year and I think we're very likely to see a couple good value guys sliding to our 2nd round pick.
Yeah, maybe but a lot of the RBs that weve brought in arent exactly "sliders", for example, Rashad Jennings and Jevon Ringer. Those would be 3rd round guys, which are hardly sliders. Im just commenting on what their behavior suggests to me. I dont think theyre doing it to rely on a slider (thats actually kind of foolish). I think theyre scrutinizing whether theres that much difference between, say, Moreno or Wells and someone like Jennings. If they like Wells or Moreno a lot more, they may be tempted to take either of them in the first. And yes, I realize there are overlapping considerations. I actually think Wells is easily worth a top 15 pick but there may also be other good players there.
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if we get Rashad Jennings i will consider this a good draft.
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Curtis Painter (Purdue) - 5th-6th Round

RBs
Knowshon Moreno (Georgia) - Early - Mid Round 1
Chris Wells (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Donald Brown (Connecticut) - Mid-Late Round 1
Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Early Round 2
Lesean Mccoy (Pittsburch) - Late Round 1, Early Round 2

WRs
Mike Thomas (Arizona) - Late Round 2 (also has value as a return specialist)
Eron Riley (Duke) - Late Round 3 - Round 6
Pat White (West Virginia) - Round 3 - Round 4 (Worked him out as a WR)

TE
Richard Quinn (North Carolina) - Round 6 - Undrafted FA (Badass blocking TE)

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DEFENSE

DTs
BJ Raji (Boston College) - Early Round 1
Roy Miller (Texas) - 5th Round - 7tth Round (Pure 2 gap NT)

OLB/DEs
Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) - Mid-Late Round 1
Robert Ayers (Tennessee) - Mid - Late Round 1
David Veikune (Hawaii) - Late Round 3 - Early Round 5
Victor Butler (Oregon State) - Round 4 - Round 6
Cody Brown (Connecticut) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Brian Orakpo (Texas) - Early Round 1
Brian Cushing (USC) - Round 1
Paul Kruger (Utah) - Round 2 - Round 3

ILB
James Laurinaitis (Ohio State) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2

CBs
Malcom Jenkins (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Kevin Barnes (Maryland) - Early Round 3 - Round 4
Darius Butler (Connecticut) - Round 2/3
Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2

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Louis Delmas (Western Michigan) - Round 2


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You sure hope he does not pull a Shanny and not draft a player they have looked at. There would not be anyone left.
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