Bowlen and Bus sound off - The Orange Mane

no-pseudo-fan · 03-18-2009, 02:16 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

Before Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels entered their swamp of contentious confusion, the groundwork for a muddled fallout between the quarterback and the Denver Broncos had roots in the days following team owner Pat Bowlen's Dec. 30 firing of coach Mike Shanahan.

Bus Cook, Cutler's agent, said on Monday morning: "Jay was disappointed in the firing of Mike Shanahan and met with the owner. The owner assured him everything would be fine. The owner said he had the second-best offense in football and would leave the offensive staff intact. Jay was good with that. Then he hires an offensive coach who gets rid of the staff."

"If you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here."
-- Broncos owner Pat BowlenBowlen said on Monday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Now, actually, to be fair, I don't think I had that discussion. I don't recall it. I know I'm getting up there in age, and I am not sure of that discussion."

Little wonder Cutler and the Broncos are in total bewilderment.

This thing began unraveling quicker than most knew.

It is clear that Cutler bought into the coaching of Shanahan, and even more so, that of his former offensive coordinator, Jeremy Bates, who is now at USC. It appears Cutler believed keeping Bates aboard was the best of a rocky situation.

But on Jan. 12, Bowlen, as is his absolute right, hired former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. McDaniels, as his absolute right, wanted to run his own offense with his own hand-picked offensive assistants.

Cutler's attitude at that point was, well, you might as well get rid of me, too.

"But I never requested a trade for Jay then," Cook said. "That is simply not true.

"Jay met with the coach early on and then told me everything was going to be OK. He said, 'We are going to work this out; we are on the same wavelength.' Everything was fine until Saturday two weeks ago. Jay called me and asked, 'Are they trying to trade me?' I told him, 'No, why would they try to do that?'"

That was when the story broke that the Broncos had discussions about trading Cutler in a deal that would bring then-New England quarterback and McDaniels mentee Matt Cassel to Denver. Cassel wound up being traded to the Kansas City Chiefs, but Cutler has said he lost trust in McDainiels because of the way the entire episode was handled.

» Broncos on Cutler situation "We told them the evening of our last meeting that Jay wanted to be a Bronco even before the meeting," Cook said. "Jay told them he understood about the coach's relationship with Matt Cassel. At no time was the coach critical of Jay. In fact, he told Jay soon after he got to Denver that Jay was the reason he came to Denver. So, why was he trying to trade him? All the guy had to do was say I dropped the ball, I have a special bond with Cassel, you are my guy. Jay never heard that. What he heard in the meeting was it could happen again."

An absolute mess here all around.

Bowlen realizes it. He was asked if he thought Cutler would remain a Bronco.

"To tell you the truth, I have no answer to that question," Bowlen said. "I would like to keep him here, obviously. But if you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here."

Bowlen was asked if he has reservations about McDaniels, his new coach, or the way he handled this matter.

"Obviously, I am not going to criticize the head coach," Bowlen said. "I think he was trying to be a head coach. As I see it, Jay got upset about things and his feelings were hurt, and here we are. I am not going to weigh in on who is to blame here. This whole incident has been written about and talked about, and I am moving on, personally. We're getting ready for the draft and ready to play next season."

Beantown Bronco · 03-18-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by no-pseudo-fan

"Obviously, I am not going to criticize the head coach," Bowlen said.

Why is that obvious? Is he talking "ever" or just in this limited instance? Kind of a significant difference there.

rovolution · 03-18-2009, 02:23 PM

If you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here."
-- Broncos owner Pat BowlenBowlen said on Monday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Now, actually, to be fair, I don't think I had that discussion. I don't recall it. I know I'm getting up there in age, and I am not sure of that discussion."

This is really embarassing to hear as a Broncos fan coming from the owner of my team.

Coupled with his debachery of a speech for Zimms HOF induction and this bumbling crap, im beginning to wonder if Bowlen is suffering from the onset of Alzheimers (and im sorry if a offend anyone here who knows someone suffering from it, but i really question Bowlens ability to run this franchise when i hear stuff like this)

LonghornBronco · 03-18-2009, 02:23 PM

Wrong Bowlen, you do need to deal with this! The Bronco's ability to compete over the next decade hang in the balance.

CBF1 · 03-18-2009, 02:23 PM

The only time an agent lies is when his lips are moving

no-pseudo-fan · 03-18-2009, 02:24 PM

I honestly think that Bowlen has talked to McD, and told him he F'ed up on this whole situation. He needs to tell McD to fix it now.

Taco John · 03-18-2009, 02:24 PM

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 03-18-2009, 02:27 PM

"I am not going to weigh in on who is to blame here. This whole incident has been written about and talked about, and I am moving on, personally. We're getting ready for the draft and ready to play next season."

Whoa, whoa, whoa, compadre. You mean the world doesn't stop spinning when Jay Cutler isn't in the fold?

Shocking.

2KBack · 03-18-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

If you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here."
-- Broncos owner Pat BowlenBowlen said on Monday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Now, actually, to be fair, I don't think I had that discussion. I don't recall it. I know I'm getting up there in age, and I am not sure of that discussion."

This is really embarassing to hear as a Broncos fan coming from the owner of my team.

Coupled with his debachery of a speech for Zimms HOF induction and this bumbling crap, im beginning to wonder if Bowlen is suffering from the onset of Alzheimers (and im sorry if a offend anyone here who knows someone suffering from it, but i really question Bowlens ability to run this franchise when i hear stuff like this)

Pretty sure that was a joke.

Popps · 03-18-2009, 02:28 PM

Folks, Bowlen has already dealt with it.

Jay can honor his contract or **** right off.

K?

Problem dealt with.

Bladerunner · 03-18-2009, 02:28 PM

You know...I've pretty much been in McDaniels court throughout this, and this doesn't really change that for me, but Pat is starting to sound a little loose in his screws...how can he get past this personally until the organization gets past it professionally...none of us, including him, even know what exactly needs to be gotten past.

I'm not really inclined to take Cook at face value, he has every reason to stoke this thing up, but in this article he is doing a far better job of painting the Broncos as unreasonably contentious than vice versa.

rovolution · 03-18-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Pretty sure that was a joke.

after watching his Zimmerman HOF induction speech im not so sure

sisterhellfyre · 03-18-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornBronco

Wrong Bowlen, you do need to deal with this! The Bronco's ability to compete over the next decade hang in the balance.

Eh. Whatever. I'm just waiting to see where Jay ends up, and how much the Broncos get back for him in the trade.

Regards,
m.

theAPAOps5 · 03-18-2009, 02:30 PM

Ok thats pretty ****ing weak if Bowlen meant that.

2KBack · 03-18-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

after watching his Zimmerman HOF induction speech im not so sure

I don't remember him ever being a very good speaker

Popps · 03-18-2009, 02:31 PM

Bowlen said on Wednesday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay.

Big shocker, huh? Bowlen didn't need to pull Jay out of his beer-pong tournament to ask his thoughts on how to run the franchise.

Of course, anyone with a basic understanding of the business workplace would have known that was the case.

UberBroncoMan · 03-18-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

HAHAHAHAHA

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 03-18-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

I don't remember him ever being a very good speaker

True. "This one's... for John!" even came out a little stilted.

DrFate · 03-18-2009, 02:32 PM

I've read the piece three times. I still don't know what Bowlen is trying to say? He's just going to ignore things?

UberBroncoMan · 03-18-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Big shocker, huh? Bowlen didn't need to pull Jay out of his beer-pong tournament to ask his thoughts on how to run the franchise.

Of course, anyone with a basic understanding of the business workplace would have known that was the case.

Except for when Bowlen said "Jay's the man now" and that he would "keep Jay up to date with what was going on."

theAPAOps5 · 03-18-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DrFate

I've read the piece three times. I still don't know what Bowlen is trying to say? He's just going to ignore things?

Yeah its a very disjointed conversation to say the least.

TheElusiveKyleOrton · 03-18-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DrFate

I've read the piece three times. I still don't know what Bowlen is trying to say? He's just going to ignore things?

You know what he's saying?

THERE'S NOTHING TO BE ****ING GAINED BY TALKING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THIS. That's what he's saying.

he's toeing the company line. nothing more.

If you want to make drama in the papers, you're going to have to contact Bus Cook or Jay Cutler.

skpac1001 · 03-18-2009, 02:34 PM

"Jay was disappointed in the firing of Mike Shanahan and met with the owner. The owner assured him everything would be fine. The owner said he had the second-best offense in football and would leave the offensive staff intact. Jay was good with that."

Love him or hate him, Jay has got some serious balls as a 3rd year qb to have this type of conversation with his owner.

Popps · 03-18-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DrFate

I've read the piece three times. I still don't know what Bowlen is trying to say?

Here ya go...

"I think he was trying to be a head coach. As I see it, Jay got upset about things and his feelings were hurt, and here we are. I am not going to weigh in on who is to blame here. This whole incident has been written about and talked about, and I am moving on, personally. We're getting ready for the draft and ready to play next season."

I underlined what he's going to do, if that helps.

Perhaps you mean what is Cutlerbus going to do? Honor their contract or **** on the fans/teammates?

UberBroncoMan · 03-18-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DrFate

I've read the piece three times. I still don't know what Bowlen is trying to say? He's just going to ignore things?

He's never really been that comfortable in dealing with player personnel in his organization. It's just a part of who he is... so it's not really surprising to see that he's trying to avoid everything.

03-18-2009, 02:16 PM	#1
no-pseudo-fan True Orange & Blue Follow me... Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: EPT Posts: 2,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Hidalgo	Bowlen and Bus sound off http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true Before Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels entered their swamp of contentious confusion, the groundwork for a muddled fallout between the quarterback and the Denver Broncos had roots in the days following team owner Pat Bowlen's Dec. 30 firing of coach Mike Shanahan. Bus Cook, Cutler's agent, said on Monday morning: "Jay was disappointed in the firing of Mike Shanahan and met with the owner. The owner assured him everything would be fine. The owner said he had the second-best offense in football and would leave the offensive staff intact. Jay was good with that. Then he hires an offensive coach who gets rid of the staff." "If you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here." -- Broncos owner Pat BowlenBowlen said on Monday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Now, actually, to be fair, I don't think I had that discussion. I don't recall it. I know I'm getting up there in age, and I am not sure of that discussion." Little wonder Cutler and the Broncos are in total bewilderment. This thing began unraveling quicker than most knew. It is clear that Cutler bought into the coaching of Shanahan, and even more so, that of his former offensive coordinator, Jeremy Bates, who is now at USC. It appears Cutler believed keeping Bates aboard was the best of a rocky situation. But on Jan. 12, Bowlen, as is his absolute right, hired former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. McDaniels, as his absolute right, wanted to run his own offense with his own hand-picked offensive assistants. Cutler's attitude at that point was, well, you might as well get rid of me, too. "But I never requested a trade for Jay then," Cook said. "That is simply not true. "Jay met with the coach early on and then told me everything was going to be OK. He said, 'We are going to work this out; we are on the same wavelength.' Everything was fine until Saturday two weeks ago. Jay called me and asked, 'Are they trying to trade me?' I told him, 'No, why would they try to do that?'" That was when the story broke that the Broncos had discussions about trading Cutler in a deal that would bring then-New England quarterback and McDaniels mentee Matt Cassel to Denver. Cassel wound up being traded to the Kansas City Chiefs, but Cutler has said he lost trust in McDainiels because of the way the entire episode was handled. » Broncos on Cutler situation "We told them the evening of our last meeting that Jay wanted to be a Bronco even before the meeting," Cook said. "Jay told them he understood about the coach's relationship with Matt Cassel. At no time was the coach critical of Jay. In fact, he told Jay soon after he got to Denver that Jay was the reason he came to Denver. So, why was he trying to trade him? All the guy had to do was say I dropped the ball, I have a special bond with Cassel, you are my guy. Jay never heard that. What he heard in the meeting was it could happen again." An absolute mess here all around. Bowlen realizes it. He was asked if he thought Cutler would remain a Bronco. "To tell you the truth, I have no answer to that question," Bowlen said. "I would like to keep him here, obviously. But if you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here." Bowlen was asked if he has reservations about McDaniels, his new coach, or the way he handled this matter. "Obviously, I am not going to criticize the head coach," Bowlen said. "I think he was trying to be a head coach. As I see it, Jay got upset about things and his feelings were hurt, and here we are. I am not going to weigh in on who is to blame here. This whole incident has been written about and talked about, and I am moving on, personally. We're getting ready for the draft and ready to play next season."

03-18-2009, 02:27 PM	#8
TheElusiveKyleOrton www.dailydickpunch.com @RMoneyBadger Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Steamboat Springs Posts: 9,768 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Debo" Franklin	"I am not going to weigh in on who is to blame here. This whole incident has been written about and talked about, and I am moving on, personally. We're getting ready for the draft and ready to play next season." Whoa, whoa, whoa, compadre. You mean the world doesn't stop spinning when Jay Cutler isn't in the fold? Shocking. __________________ Nobody puts Jay-bee in the corner.

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03-18-2009, 02:23 PM	#3
rovolution Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 2,949 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	If you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here." -- Broncos owner Pat BowlenBowlen said on Monday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Now, actually, to be fair, I don't think I had that discussion. I don't recall it. I know I'm getting up there in age, and I am not sure of that discussion." This is really embarassing to hear as a Broncos fan coming from the owner of my team. Coupled with his debachery of a speech for Zimms HOF induction and this bumbling crap, im beginning to wonder if Bowlen is suffering from the onset of Alzheimers (and im sorry if a offend anyone here who knows someone suffering from it, but i really question Bowlens ability to run this franchise when i hear stuff like this)

03-18-2009, 02:23 PM	#4
LonghornBronco Ring of Famer Hook'em Horns Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin Posts: 1,356 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	Wrong Bowlen, you do need to deal with this! The Bronco's ability to compete over the next decade hang in the balance.

03-18-2009, 02:23 PM	#5
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	The only time an agent lies is when his lips are moving

03-18-2009, 02:24 PM	#6
no-pseudo-fan True Orange & Blue Follow me... Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: EPT Posts: 2,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Hidalgo	I honestly think that Bowlen has talked to McD, and told him he F'ed up on this whole situation. He needs to tell McD to fix it now.

03-18-2009, 02:24 PM	#7
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning

03-18-2009, 02:28 PM	#10
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Folks, Bowlen has already dealt with it. Jay can honor his contract or **** right off. K? Problem dealt with.

03-18-2009, 02:28 PM	#11
Bladerunner Ring of Famer ...Two weeks from everywhere! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,125 Adopt-a-Bronco: Willis McGahee	You know...I've pretty much been in McDaniels court throughout this, and this doesn't really change that for me, but Pat is starting to sound a little loose in his screws...how can he get past this personally until the organization gets past it professionally...none of us, including him, even know what exactly needs to be gotten past. I'm not really inclined to take Cook at face value, he has every reason to stoke this thing up, but in this article he is doing a far better job of painting the Broncos as unreasonably contentious than vice versa.

03-18-2009, 02:30 PM	#14
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Ok thats pretty ****ing weak if Bowlen meant that.

03-18-2009, 02:31 PM	#16
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Bowlen said on Wednesday afternoon: "I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Big shocker, huh? Bowlen didn't need to pull Jay out of his beer-pong tournament to ask his thoughts on how to run the franchise. Of course, anyone with a basic understanding of the business workplace would have known that was the case.

03-18-2009, 02:32 PM	#19
DrFate Lord of Order Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tower of Fate Posts: 4,388	I've read the piece three times. I still don't know what Bowlen is trying to say? He's just going to ignore things?

03-18-2009, 02:34 PM	#23
skpac1001 Ring of Famer I brings the ruckus Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Temecula, Ca Posts: 1,129 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	"Jay was disappointed in the firing of Mike Shanahan and met with the owner. The owner assured him everything would be fine. The owner said he had the second-best offense in football and would leave the offensive staff intact. Jay was good with that." Love him or hate him, Jay has got some serious balls as a 3rd year qb to have this type of conversation with his owner.