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Old 03-18-2009, 11:18 AM   #1
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Call Bubby Brister He never got his due. Totally dumped on the eve of the regular season. For some dink named brian griese.

As to the whole Franchise QB's and we are setting ourselves back 10 years hoopla.

Shanahan was a Coach for 14 years. During that time 4 Quarter Backs went to the Pro-Bowl

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If the system is sound -and by far Shanahan's was. As is McDaniels. It will produce the results. System>Players.

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Old 03-18-2009, 11:23 AM   #2
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He never got his due. Totally dumped on the eve of the regular season. For some dink named brian griese.

As to the whole Franchise QB's and we are setting ourselves back 10 years hoopla.

Shanahan was a Coach for 14 years. During that time 4 Quarter Backs went to the Pro-Bowl

John Elway
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Jay Cutler

If the system is sound -and by far Shanahan's was. As is McDaniels. It will produce the results. System>Players.
There's one difference though. Elway and Cutler had the physical essentials to excel in the system. Griese and Plummer merely managed it and didn't have the talent to take the team to the next level on offense.
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Cutler has not proven he has what it takes between the ears.
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You're right..... he is replaceable. With these Quarterbacks:

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You're right..... he is replaceable. With these Quarterbacks:

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McDaniels system is unknown. All we have is a wannabe head coach wrapping himself up in Belichick's hoodie. Until he actually executes, we don't know if it was Belichick or Hoddie Jr. that made it work.

But given that the real QB of the patriots in named Brady and has been there long before McDaniels, I know which way I think it will go.
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System>Players.
That's just silly. If it was all about the system, every team in the league would be vying for the playoffs every year. Players win games. Coaches merely put them in a position to succeed.
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You're right..... he is replaceable. With these Quarterbacks:

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Are you carving out Cutler's HOF shrine yet...
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That's just silly. If it was all about the system, every team in the league would be vying for the playoffs every year. Players win games. Coaches merely put them in a position to succeed.
so then you are saying that Cassel was the reason the Pats won 11 games last year??
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so then you are saying that Cassel was the reason the Pats won 11 games last year??
No, Moss, Welker and yes, Cassel were the reason the Pats won 11 games last year.
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Yes it is and I want to say that McD and I have just been ****ing with everyone. We have been getting along from the very beginning and just wanted to see how people would flip out with a little controversy. We're getting wasted right now and have some hookers headed up to our room for a little tag team. Next year when you see me high-5in on the sidelines and winkin' it's going to be for reminiscing as well as the badass play that just occurred.
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No, Moss, Welker and yes, Cassel were the reason the Pats won 11 games last year.
but not the system right?? it was just these three players drawing up plays in the dirt??

cmon...you HAVE to give McDaniels some credit
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so then you are saying that Cassel was the reason the Pats won 11 games last year??
Thanks for trying to oversimplify

That organization drafts well, trades well, and has good players on both sides of the ball. They have a solid scouting department and typically rob other teams when it comes to draft day deals.

Cassel gets credit for having a nice season. Moss and Welker don't hurt. Having a top 10 defense didn't hurt.
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but not the system right?? it was just these three players drawing up plays in the dirt??

cmon...you HAVE to give McDaniels some credit
Sure. He was a effective OC the previous two seasons. But he didn't make the personnel decisions, wasn't the HC, certainly wasn't the GM, like he is now with Denver, and did not design the offense that he ran.

McDaniels has a lot to prove. When he does, I will give him the same respect I gave Shanny. Until he does, I stick with talent that has proven out - like Cutler, and Bobby Turner rather then salivate at becoming the Patriots east.
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Comparing Cutler to Bubby is as insane as comparing him to Brady.
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but not the system right?? it was just these three players drawing up plays in the dirt??

cmon...you HAVE to give McDaniels some credit
I'm sure you, me, and the kid playing stickball next to the stadium could take 'the system' and win 11 games, right?

I give McDaniels the credit any other offensive coordinator would get. They put up good numbers with a backup QB and made the most of a bad situation.
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But he didn't make the personnel decisions, wasn't the HC, certainly wasn't the GM, like he is now with Denver, and did not design the offense that he ran.
Has anyone ever really found out what 'power' this guy does have? Shanny was fired because he had 'all the power' and missed the playoffs. We have a GM now. How much input does McDaniels really have?
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But given that the real QB of the patriots in named Brady and has been there long before McDaniels, I know which way I think it will go.
Mcdaniels was there in 2001, Brady in 2000. Not so long. He wasn't the OC then, but I'm sure he was familiar with everybody.
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I'm sure you, me, and the kid playing stickball next to the stadium could take 'the system' and win 11 games, right?

I give McDaniels the credit any other offensive coordinator would get. They put up good numbers with a backup QB and made the most of a bad situation.
ok...that's fair enough

but you go on adn applaud NE for great decisions, that McDaniels was obviously around, and maybe he's bringing that here

and maybe Cutler isnt the type of guy that fits into that type of an organization...

so I'll take the Pats record and their way of doing things if it wins without Cutler
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That's just silly. If it was all about the system, every team in the league would be vying for the playoffs every year. Players win games. Coaches merely put them in a position to succeed.
Really so systems don't matter.

So Pittsburgh is going down when Harrison leaves.
The Broncos will never be able to Lead the League in Rushing with out TD
So forth and so on.

You seem to think all systems are equal. That is not true. The best way to get better is to get rid of a flawed system and then get the players you need to run it. When you get the Great Players and Put them in the Right system then you get championships.
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Comparing Cutler to Bubby is as insane as comparing him to Brady.
Who compared cutler to Bubby?
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Has anyone ever really found out what 'power' this guy does have? Shanny was fired because he had 'all the power' and missed the playoffs. We have a GM now. How much input does McDaniels really have?
Given that he threw a hissy fit when Bus Cook talked to Xanders instead of him, a big freaken amount.
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Sure. He was a effective OC the previous two seasons. But he didn't make the personnel decisions, wasn't the HC, certainly wasn't the GM, like he is now with Denver, and did not design the offense that he ran.

McDaniels has a lot to prove. When he does, I will give him the same respect I gave Shanny. Until he does, I stick with talent that has proven out - like Cutler, and Bobby Turner rather then salivate at becoming the Patriots east.
None of his moves have been even questionable as of yet. Your panties are all in a bind about a move that didn't even occur. Your mad about the way Cutler has reacted to a situation that did not even happen.
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