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Old 03-18-2009, 09:05 AM   #1
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Default Great Article on the Situation from Boston

This pretty much sums it up for me. I like how the writer words this portion

"Cutler told associates close to the situation he will not return to Denver until the Broncos publicly admit they initiated calls to Tampa Bay to trade him, something McDaniels still denies but Cutler has confirmed to his own satisfaction."

".....Cutler has confirmed this to his own satisfaction." is the point Inferno. We don't need to you start an entire thread asking for proof. The important thing is how Jay feels about the situation.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...ks_first_test/

Some fellows learn from the mistakes of their mentors. Others duplicate them.

Josh McDaniels appears to be the latter.

Not long after Bill Belichick became head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 1991 he got into a power struggle with starting quarterback Bernie Kosar.

Within two years Belichick had ridden Kosar out of town. While he was right that Kosar was finished, he had no adequate replacement.

Vinny Testaverde [stats] was never the answer anywhere he ever played. Neither were Mike Tomczak, Todd Philcox, Mark Rypien or Eric Zeier. So after four losing seasons in five years Belichick was fired, leaving Cleveland as the second most hated man in Ohio next to owner Art Modell.

Fast forward five years and a wiser Belichick comes to New England and quickly feels about Drew Bledsoe as he did Kosar, but instead of firing him, signs him to a 10-year, $103 million contract. He liked Bledsoe’s style of play no more than Kosar’s but Belichick realized by then what Oakland owner Al Davis used to say was true: “Anybody is replaceable, as long as you have a replacement.”

Davis’ point, which Belichick now understood, was if you don’t have a replacement, especially at quarterback, you wait until you do. For Belichick that came early in his second season when Bledsoe went down with a life-threatening chest injury and Tom Brady [stats] emerged as a clone of Joe Montana. By the next spring, Bledsoe was gone, and Belichick soon after was declared a genius.

Peach-fuzzed Josh McDaniels, the new sheriff in Denver, left New England this winter to become the Broncos head coach and the first thing he did was re-enact Belichick’s fatal mistake in Cleveland. He got in a food fight with his quarterback, Jay Cutler, when he has no replacement for him, and now has a wildfire on his hands. That’s why 32-year-old guys who have never been in charge of a lunch order usually aren’t named CEO of anything.

Cutler told friends McDaniels is a liar for denying having made calls to Tampa Bay to try to trade him in a three-way deal McDaniels erroneously thought would bring him Matt Cassel. If you are going to try that kind of preemptive strike on a quarterback who just threw for 4,200 yards and went to the Pro Bowl with no running game to help him, you better pull the trigger, because if you don’t the gun will blow up in your face.

That is what happened to McDaniels, who looks like a coach who needs training wheels rather than a company car.

Cutler told associates close to the situation he will not return to Denver until the Broncos publicly admit they initiated calls to Tampa Bay to trade him, something McDaniels still denies but Cutler has confirmed to his own satisfaction.

A final face-to-face meeting over the weekend went even worse, and McDaniels apparently is so tone deaf he insists he can’t understand why Cutler looks at him the way Bernie Madoff’s old customers view that scalawag.

Less than two months into his tenure as a head coach, a stubborn kid who doesn’t understand the difference between the words “manage” and “dictate” believes he knows more about quarterbacking than the departed Mike Shanahan, who still believes Cutler will be a star in the NFL.

Because of it, McDaniels left his new team bereft at the most important position in the game.

The Broncos struggled last year not because they had no offense. They struggled because they had no defense. So McDaniels’ first move isn’t to shore up the defense. It’s to tear down the offense. With that plan he always can get a job at AIG if things don’t work out in Denver.

At the end of last season, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen announced “I’m in charge” and said the team was Cutler’s. Barely three months later, no one is in charge, Cutler is demanding a trade, McDaniels botched the situation so badly any trade would be a fire sale and Shanahan is collecting $21 million from the Broncos to watch this mess unfold from his pool deck.

Ever wonder sometimes how guys like Pat Bowlen ever got rich enough to buy a football, let alone a football team?
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:08 AM   #2
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so because Cutler "speculates" McDaniels should admit something that isn't true....he never initiatied these calls, Cutler speculates he did and then threw a hissy fit

you people are absolutely absurd
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This article is stupid.
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This about sums it up.
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so because Cutler "speculates" McDaniels should admit something that isn't true....he never initiatied these calls, Cutler speculates he did and then threw a hissy fit

you people are absolutely absurd
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I think Cutler started all this because ive told myself that which makes me right.
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Isn't this the main problem - how Jay "feels" about everything? Geez, buy him some roses and take him out to dinner.
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i just think its funny that people defend cutler when he is the one dragging this on so long for quite literally no reason. you can either be a baby and do what hes doing or be a man and realize you are not untradeable and show up for your job. those are his only options, and hes going the easy way out: stomping his feet and crying.
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Written out of Boston no less. .
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Interesting article. Yet another example of McDaniel's following Belichick's lead.

Another important element is that the entire "Cutler is whining" meme is based off of McDaniele's denying that the trade was anything serious. McDaniel's candid line about arriving late to the dance (at which point you already bought the gown and rented the tux) seems to confirm this interpretation.

McDaniels needs to do what is right for the team - and that is awknowledge that yes, he was shopping Cutler around. He also needs to give Cutler some security - a no trade clause if not a extension. Otherwise there will be no end to quarterback controversies the next time the Defense doesn't show up for a game, and cutler forces a interception trying to make up for it.
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Isn't this the main problem - how Jay "feels" about everything? Geez, buy him some roses and take him out to dinner.
If you want to know where Jay Cutler is coming from watch his body language, lets hope some team over pays for him.
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I am going to print this article out and pick up my dogs **** with it. So at least it serves a purpose. So Cutler says he has confirmed to his satisfaction that Denver initiated the trades? Alright mister Cutler provide your sources and evidence if you want Denver to admit it. Bet that is met with silence.
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I just think the article articulates the only way the situation gets resolved. By the coach acknowledging that there were mistakes made and that there is enough evidence to validate he was misleading and at least that he can understand how he could be perceived as being dishonest. His public statements have certainly strongly implied a "change of position" throughout the saga.
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I am absolutely shocked that this piece didn't sway opinions of Maners on either side.

People have their minds made up. No opinion piece will change that, just fuel the drama.

Only new information from Pat, Jay or Josh counts at this point.
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Interesting article. Yet another example of McDaniel's following Belichick's lead.

Another important element is that the entire "Cutler is whining" meme is based off of McDaniele's denying that the trade was anything serious. McDaniel's candid line about arriving late to the dance (at which point you already bought the gown and rented the tux) seems to confirm this interpretation.

McDaniels needs to do what is right for the team - and that is awknowledge that yes, he was shopping Cutler around. He also needs to give Cutler some security - a no trade clause if not a extension. Otherwise there will be no end to quarterback controversies the next time the Defense doesn't show up for a game, and cutler forces a interception trying to make up for it.

you actually do a great job of killing your own points here....you should post mroe often...

1) God forbid he should follow Belicheck's lead....the guy who has been the winningest coach in the NFL this decade and almost completed an undefeated season and has been to the Super Bowl 3 times...not to mention the other accolades he has recieved.....wow, thats a real insult

2) he was doing what was best for the team...by listeing to offers and evaluating his personnel with what he might get in return he was trying to improve the team...if Cutler isnt part of that plan, so be it....we as fans should be rooting for improvement

i cant wait for you to post again....this is great
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The Broncos struggled last year not because they had no offense. They struggled because they had no defense. So McDaniels’ first move isn’t to shore up the defense. It’s to tear down the offense. With that plan he always can get a job at AIG if things don’t work out in Denver.
About sums it up. His nepotism will fit well over there too.
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I am going to print this article out and pick up my dogs **** with it. So at least it serves a purpose. So Cutler says he has confirmed to his satisfaction that Denver initiated the trades? Alright mister Cutler provide your sources and evidence if you want Denver to admit it. Bet that is met with silence.
I don't know anyone that gives up their sources if they ever want them to be valid sources again. Do you really think that McDaniels couldn't be perceived as being dishonest by his public statements alone? If you have some inside scoop, from the very small world that is the NFL that validates that, wouldn't you feel that way?
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Jay loses credibility when Bus Cook was asking for permission to shop Jay after Bates left.
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Jay loses credibility when Bus Cook was asking for permission to shop Jay after Bates left.
Lol, I missed that one....
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I am going to print this article out and pick up my dogs **** with it. So at least it serves a purpose. So Cutler says he has confirmed to his satisfaction that Denver initiated the trades? Alright mister Cutler provide your sources and evidence if you want Denver to admit it. Bet that is met with silence.
Nope, this is just another logical, level headed take on the situation. You and the rest who are repeatedly bashing Cutler and blaming him for this mess simply do not understand what has obviously taken place, so you go for the easy target, the young star QB with the ego
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This about sums it up.
Yes. After all, Kaylore said it so it MUST be true, right?
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you actually do a great job of killing your own points here....you should post mroe often...

1) God forbid he should follow Belicheck's lead....the guy who has been the winningest coach in the NFL this decade and almost completed an undefeated season and has been to the Super Bowl 3 times...not to mention the other accolades he has recieved.....wow, thats a real insult



2) he was doing what was best for the team...by listeing to offers and evaluating his personnel with what he might get in return he was trying to improve the team...if Cutler isnt part of that plan, so be it....we as fans should be rooting for improvement


i cant wait for you to post again....this is great
Wait, how many championships did Belichick win in Cleveland (the actual point of the article, not your made up point) Tell me, which super bowls did Belichick win before he had to run back to Bill Parcells with his tail between his legs?


So getting rid of a 25 year old blossoming superstar QB for inferior talent, then getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar and compounding the situation by stammering away like a moron while everybody in the world outside of ApaOps and you can clearly see what he was doing is in the 'best interests of the team'? Really now. Your opinions on how to run any organization, let alone this NFL franchise, are suspect at best I have to say, just like our halftard HC apparently.

I can't wait for you to post again either, too easy

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Jay loses credibility when Bus Cook was asking for permission to shop Jay after Bates left.
Where did you get that one from?
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Where did you get that one from?
Foxsports.com there is a thread on it. Jebus people keep up with the rumors

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...-another-drama

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