The Orange Mane -  a Denver Broncos Fan Community  

Go Back   The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community > Orange Mane Discussion > Orange Mane Central Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Room Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-17-2009, 12:11 PM   #1
lex
Ring of Famer
 
lex's Avatar
 
The Broncos have been DisemBowlened

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-Town
Posts: 10,236

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default According to Pat Kirwan, Cutler is worth 2 firsts and a player.

Production, Age, and Contract factor heavily in how Denver should be looking at two firsts and a player. He ruled out the Jets because their first is too low and they have no players to make it work. Same with the Lions.
lex is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 03-17-2009, 12:18 PM   #2
Man-Goblin
One Gap Penetrator
 
Man-Goblin's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Huntersville, NC
Posts: 6,000

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

Yes, yes he is. Once the sweepstakes starts and teams start calling, you make the two firsts the starting point. In other words, you have to be willing to give that up just to get into the hunt. Then those left bid against each other and up the ante.

Who knows, they could end up getting more than the two firsts and a quality player if there are enough teams that want him that bad.

If you consider the fact that the Broncos weren't going to have Cutler anyway, the Cassel deal falling through may have been the best thing that could have happened to the team.
Man-Goblin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:20 PM   #3
vancejohnson82
Shabby
 
vancejohnson82's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Hawthorne, NJ
Posts: 6,105

Adopt-a-Bronco:
All 8 Points
Default

i agree
vancejohnson82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:20 PM   #4
Dr. Broncenstein
Ring of Famer
 
Dr. Broncenstein's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Sterile Fields
Posts: 13,744

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Trey Gowdy
Default

The Browns could make it happen if they really wanted it. Quinn and two firsts for Jay would be hard to pass up on both sides. There has to be an established starter-quality NFL quarterback in the trade to even be considered. Not many teams have that to offer in exchange.
Dr. Broncenstein is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:22 PM   #5
WolfpackGuy
Call me, "Maybe"
 
WolfpackGuy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Delaware
Posts: 6,963
Default

The whole Lions team outside of Johnson and Sims can't make it work.
WolfpackGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:22 PM   #6
Man-Goblin
One Gap Penetrator
 
Man-Goblin's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Huntersville, NC
Posts: 6,000

Adopt-a-Bronco:
TJ Ward
Default

By the way, Kirwan was pretty much DEAD ON last year when he was establishing the value for Jared Allen.
Man-Goblin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:22 PM   #7
lex
Ring of Famer
 
lex's Avatar
 
The Broncos have been DisemBowlened

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-Town
Posts: 10,236

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
The Browns could make it happen if they really wanted it. Quinn and two firsts for Jay would be hard to pass up on both sides. There has to be an established starter-quality NFL quarterback in the trade to even be considered. Not many teams have that to offer in exchange.

I could see the Broncos not wanting to deal Cutler to a team in the AFC.
lex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:24 PM   #8
JCMElway
Moderate-erator
 
JCMElway's Avatar
 
Dominate!

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 7,274

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Oleg
Default

I still thin we end up taking a player, a first, and a third.

Getting Detroit's second rounder this year and their first next year, along with a player, would be good. Then we could get McCoy or Bradford.

Is there any player from Detroit that would be worth it?
JCMElway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:24 PM   #9
tsiguy96
Ring of Famer
 
tsiguy96's Avatar
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 12,748

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

id be happy with cutler for quinn, a 1st and 3rd
tsiguy96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:25 PM   #10
Dr. Broncenstein
Ring of Famer
 
Dr. Broncenstein's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Sterile Fields
Posts: 13,744

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Trey Gowdy
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Man-Goblin View Post
By the way, Kirwan was pretty much DEAD ON last year when he was establishing the value for Jared Allen.
Kirwan pretty much has a handle on everything NFL. Same goes for Tim Ryan.
Dr. Broncenstein is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:26 PM   #11
garandman
Seasoned Veteran
 
Your in my sights!

Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 347
Default

Guys, we are not going to trade Cutler w/o a quality QB in return, there are not many equipped with that right now. McD stated he will not trade for draft picks, of course he is a liar so forget everything I just said..
garandman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:26 PM   #12
lex
Ring of Famer
 
lex's Avatar
 
The Broncos have been DisemBowlened

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-Town
Posts: 10,236

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tsiguy96 View Post
id be happy with cutler for quinn, a 1st and 3rd
Thats because youre a leg humping boot licker.
lex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:29 PM   #13
lex
Ring of Famer
 
lex's Avatar
 
The Broncos have been DisemBowlened

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-Town
Posts: 10,236

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein View Post
Kirwan pretty much has a handle on everything NFL. Same goes for Tim Ryan.
Just as an FYI, when Kirwan threw that out there, Ryan counter offered Quinn, this years 1st, and next years second. But he's making this comment in a vacuum without other bidders and without really giving it the same consideration Kirwan did in terms of Production, Contract and Age.
lex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:30 PM   #14
lex
Ring of Famer
 
lex's Avatar
 
The Broncos have been DisemBowlened

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-Town
Posts: 10,236

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Now theyre discussing Bulger, this years #2, and next years first round pick.
lex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:37 PM   #15
BroncoFiend
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoFiend's Avatar
 
The enemy's gate is down

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,531
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lex View Post
Now theyre discussing Bulger, this years #2, and next years first round pick.
I'd rather have Simms than Bulger, no joke.
BroncoFiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:46 PM   #16
empulse
D Wins Championships
 
empulse's Avatar
 
2008 Orange Mane II FF Champ!

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 50

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroncoFiend View Post
I'd rather have Simms than Bulger, no joke.
I agree. Bulger is soft. He has just been beat up far too much in the last few years.
empulse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:48 PM   #17
Houshyamama
I Make The Weather
 
Houshyamama's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 4,494

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Brock Osweiler
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lex View Post
Now theyre discussing Bulger, this years #2, and next years first round pick.
PASS on Bulger.


barf
Houshyamama is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:48 PM   #18
Mountain Bronco
Ring of Famer
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Mountains
Posts: 1,669
Default

Why can't Simms run this offense if it is that simple?
Mountain Bronco is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:51 PM   #19
broncofan2438
Faneco this...
 
broncofan2438's Avatar
 
LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: California
Posts: 6,296

Adopt-a-Bronco:
ERIC DECKER
Default

I think if its going to be anything, its going to be Quinn, Rodgers......or nothing and we keep him and play out the season like Cincy did with ocho cinco.
broncofan2438 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:52 PM   #20
Rohirrim
Partisan
 
Rohirrim's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater
Posts: 55,395

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Malik Jackson
Default

Okay, my final offer. Detroit sends it's #20 to Arizona and gives the Broncos their #1 and next year's #1. AZ sends Leinart to the Broncos. With the #1 the Broncos select Curry. Next year, they get Mount Cody. Leinart and Simms can fight it out in camp.
Rohirrim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:55 PM   #21
DBBBSBS
Pro Bowler
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Aurora, CO
Posts: 544

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Team Broncos
Default

We will not be trading to any team in AFC west. that leaves 28 others..

Indy, Tenn, Hou, Jax

Indy has peyton, VY is waiting in Tenn.. so it doesn't make sense after they also signed Kerry. Hou traded for matt two years back and they sent sage away.. so they cannot be. That leaves Jax.

Cle, Cin, Pit, Bal

Cle and Cin should be in the mix and Bal and Pit cannot. But with carson half healthy and them having nothing to move. Cle is the only choice.

Nyj, Buf, NE, Mia.

3 out of 4 is possible here. And i wonder what each of them have in return to give us back. They all have 1st round which is less that what the broncos have. And no significant player to add. So if each gives us 1st rounders this year and next and then a QB whom they have. Except JP or Trent, i dont see anyone else.. chad or kellen do anything good in our offense.

So the possibilities in AFC.. Cle/NYJ/Mia/Buf/Jax.

I like Jax, because they have 8th this year and there first next year i bet will not be less than 15 if cutler goes there and they improve there defense. But with that D and there decent run game plugged with some good receivers. they will have chance to win and down the road once peyton fades we might have to face cutler in playoffs... so i will not do that.

Cle is the second good possibility. They have 5th to offer (which could be Raji, Then with 12th we can get a DE and then if we get brady quinn we can see and through a competition between simms and quinn.

Was quinn that bad, probably yes. Because he managed to lose against a piss poor broncos defense. But that was his first start in NFL and cutler was bad in his first 5 games as well in NFL. So lets give him the window of oppurtunity and more over quinn's salary is not bad.

Also cutler will be in a defense oriented division where he has to face baltimore and pitt 2 times a year. If he makes out of that division to playoffs then we can worry about him. And who knows with the cold weather and diabates and all the hits.. he might never come out of wilderness...

So lets get browns alone on the phone if at all we do from AFC. From NFC..... I will follow up
DBBBSBS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #22
Beantown Bronco
Athletic Supporter
 
Beantown Bronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Mass
Posts: 20,399

Adopt-a-Bronco:
Matt Prater
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohirrim View Post
Okay, my final offer. Detroit sends it's #20 to Arizona and gives the Broncos their #1 and next year's #1. AZ sends Leinart to the Broncos. With the #1 the Broncos select Curry. Next year, they get Mount Cody. Leinart and Simms can fight it out in camp.
And I assume Detroit just gets Cutler in return for the two first rounders?

AZ gets the #20 for Leinart essentially? Good for them.
Beantown Bronco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #23
empulse
D Wins Championships
 
empulse's Avatar
 
2008 Orange Mane II FF Champ!

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 50

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

I still like the idea of Quinn (Who obviously has a huge upside, and a connection to McD via Charlie Weis), Shaun Rogers (what a monster) and a 2nd rounder for Cutler.

2 starters that we know will have an impact. . . . A project with potential for McD to "develop", Arguably one of the best 3/4 DT's in the game to start to anchor Nolans line, and then the freedom to pick up another decent draft pick (Number 36, Pick 4 in Round 2).

As Tim Ryan would say, "Talk about it".
empulse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:57 PM   #24
BroncoFiend
Ring of Famer
 
BroncoFiend's Avatar
 
The enemy's gate is down

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,531
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco View Post
Why can't Simms run this offense if it is that simple?
It may come down to that. I'm not sure where 'simple' factors in though.
BroncoFiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2009, 12:59 PM   #25
barryr
Ring of Famer
 
New to the Forum

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 9,805

Adopt-a-Bronco:
None
Default

Chances are though the Broncos will spend more time listening to trade offers for Cutler now than they ever did with Cassell, whom McDaniels wanted soooooo badly according to some.
barryr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:52 AM.


Denver Broncos