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Old 03-16-2009, 01:16 PM   #1
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Patriots appear primed to make deal with Panthers for Peppers

By Vic Carucci | NFL.com
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The trade that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots this offseason.
The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.
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According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.
Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.
The Patriots already were looking ahead to the possibility of acquiring Peppers when they shipped Cassel and Vrabel to Kansas City, NFL sources say, because they wanted to clear the salary-cap space necessary to sign Peppers to a new contract that would put him among the higher-paid defensive players in the league. After signing Cassel to a one-year, franchise-tag tender contract worth $14.65 million, New England had nearly $30 million in cap money devoted to two quarterbacks (including $14.62 million for Tom Brady).
Once the Patriots were convinced that Brady would be fully recovered from the season-ending knee injury he suffered last year, they were comfortable with trading his replacement to the Chiefs and putting the wheels in motion to bolster a defense that has gotten particularly old at linebacker. Vrabel and fellow linebacker Tedy Bruschi are well into the twilight of their respective careers.
NFL sources say the Panthers would welcome the chance to unload Peppers for a second-round draft pick, even though it would be well below his market value, because it would be less costly than signing a first-rounder. The Panthers already have made some belt-tightening financial moves within their front office.
This, in part, could help answer the lingering question of why the Patriots were willing to take only a second-round pick for Cassel and Vrabel rather than possibly go for a higher choice as part of a three-way deal involving the Denver Broncos, who were ready to give up Jay Cutler for Cassel. Without an additional second-round pick, the Patriots might not be able to pursue Peppers.
League sources also point out that the Panthers don't have a first-round choice after trading it to the Philadelphia Eagles and aren't scheduled to draft until 59th overall (near the bottom of the second round). The 34th spot would give Carolina the second pick of the second round and a chance to land a player with a first-round rating who was pushed down to that spot for whatever reason.
Also, according to NFL sources, there is a third phase to the Patriots' offseason strategy. They would like to further beef up their linebacking corps by adding an inside linebacker in the draft. They are known to believe that USC's Rey Maualuga would be a great fit for their scheme, especially when paired with Jerod Mayo, their 2008 first-round pick who was the NFL's top defensive rookie. However, some early projections suggest it might be long shot for Maualuga to be available for the Patriots with the 23rd overall pick.

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for making excellent decisions when it comes to acquiring players, but at least one NFL player-personnel evaluator questions whether Peppers would be a good fit in New England.
"This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn't happy with his contract," said the player personnel source, who requested anonymity. "He's also very long (in the torso), which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can't drop into coverage. He's very stiff.
"But one of the things (the Patriots) are looking at is the fact that, in passing situations, they can have Peppers up front with (Richard) Seymour and (Jarvis) Green. That makes it easier for them to take (nose tackle Vince) Wilfork out of the game in (passing situations) and just play him on running downs
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:17 PM   #2
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That's a big contract to take on ... they couldn't have done this and kept Cassel too.
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If he's available for a 2nd rounder, his ass better end up in Denver.

Though, I understand the hesitancy in paying him too much. He's been an up and down player.
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A 2nd rounder and he could be had and we passed?

This FO is stupid.
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:21 PM   #5
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A 2nd rounder and he could be had and we passed?

This FO is stupid.
who says we passed?...

the Pats 2nd rounder is better than our 2nd rounder, so to outbid them pick-wise we would've had to give up our 1st rounder...
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:22 PM   #6
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For one the 2nd rounder they got is higher then what we have so we would have had to give more. Pick 34 is basically like a first round pick.

Broncos probably would have had to throw there first rounder to get it done.
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A 2nd rounder and he could be had and we passed?

This FO is stupid.
I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.
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ooops sorry beat me to it. Yeah what he said!!!
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Sorry but he isn't avaible for a 2nd. This is speculating that he's available for a high second, specifically #34. We would have to offer a 1st to top that.
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or our secound and a lower round pick
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:28 PM   #11
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I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.
Of course he does, he has to sign his franchise tender in order to be traded, so he can nix any trade by not signing.
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I think Peppers probably has a say into where he is going. Who would want to come to Denver with McDaniels the tyrant running things.
Yes Bellicheck is so much more Cuddly
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or our secound and a lower round pick
This isn't Madden. Teams usually target actual players with their picks. You can't just lowball a trade partner and keep adding in a 7th no wait 6th no wait 5th no wait 4th until they say yes.
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Yes Bellicheck is so much more Cuddly
Belicheck* has a track record of winning.
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That's a really high 2nd rounder, basically a 1st rounder without the cost. I'm interested to see how he fits in there.
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Ahh-And McDaniels has a track record of Losing?
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This is the 2nd Big trade we were rumored involved in and the 2nd time they failed to land their guy.

Once is allowed to happen, twice is a trend.
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this is getting ****ing ridiculous
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:40 PM   #19
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Well...um...Bellichick isn't a big stupid doo-doo face!

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This is the 2nd Big trade we were rumored involved in and the 2nd time they failed to land their guy.

Once is allowed to happen, twice is a trend.
yea, I'm sure Cassel wouldn't have wanted to come play for McD.

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Did anybody notice this part?

“This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn’t happy with his contract,” a player personnel source told Carucci. “He’s also very long [in the torso], which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can’t drop into coverage. He’s very stiff.”
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I ****ing swear son of a b**** my ****ing head is going to ****ing explode before this ****ing offseason ****ing comes to a close.

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anybody remember the Peppers interview on the sideline @ the probowl? It appeared that he had trouble forming a sentence. Was Carolina in a 4-3 or 3-4?
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My bad, maybe we did make a play for him, but he isnt worth a first.
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