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Old 03-15-2009, 08:27 PM   #1
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So based on the case history. We need more than Manning for us to get Value. I am thinking 1,1,2,2. For all those who say no way he is throwing a hissy. Well Chad Johnson threw a hissy in Cinci and the bengals turned down 2-first round picks for him. His cap # makes it rather easy for him to sit on the pine for 2 years. This means he is not headed out of Denver for a pack of gum.
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I think Cutler is worth no less than 2 first round draft picks. It doesn't matter what we get for him though. If Cutler gets traded we are going to be right where we were after SB 33.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:31 PM   #3
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As a Bucs fan, I am willing to give up #19, 2010 1st, 2010 2nd. Interested?
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I think a mid first rounder this year, and a first rounder next year is probably what we'll get, or a high first-rounder, and a quality starter.
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Last Year:
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Mike Vick as the number 1 pick-1,3,next year 2 Tim Dwight

So based on the case history. We need more than Manning for us to get Value. I am thinking 1,1,2,2. For all those who say no way he is throwing a hissy. Well Chad Johnson threw a hissy in Cinci and the bengals turned down 2-first round picks for him. His cap # makes it rather easy for him to sit on the pine for 2 years. This means he is not headed out of Denver for a pack of gum.

Agreed, I think there is already a bidding war for this guy. 75% of teams out there would love to have him given his age and ability. Man I wish we could just work this damn thing out, it really would be better for everyone.

My random thought on a trade:

Denver:
Gives Up: Cutler
Gets: Quinn, Rogers, #20

Detroit:
Gives up: #1, #20
Gets: Cutler

Cleveland:
Gives up: Quinn, Rogers
Gets: #1

Seems like wins all around to me, but what do I know.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:36 PM   #6
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As a Bucs fan, I am willing to give up #19, 2010 1st, 2010 2nd. Interested?
throw in a 3rd this year and make the 2nd in 2010 conditional (i.e. 2nd if certain things happen a 3rd if not)
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:36 PM   #7
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Probably depends on the team. Draft picks wise, 2 1st rounders would be great but I think unlikely. I'd guess we'd be more likely to see a high pick and a player or two. Just my guess, although I still don't think he's getting traded.
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As a Bucs fan, I am willing to give up #19, 2010 1st, 2010 2nd. Interested?
Living in the Tampa area I would like to see him come to the area. It would be fun to watch the bucs with a real offense. Add a 2nd this year and you got a deal.
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Denver gets Quinn, Rodgers, and no. 5

Cleveland gets Cutler, Shef, and no. 12
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no matter what we will not get equal value.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:43 PM   #11
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Denver gets Quinn, Rodgers, and no. 5

Cleveland gets Cutler, Shef, and no. 12
I threw in Detriot for two reasons:

1) I want Cutler out of the AFC

2) I kinda want Cutler to regret what he is doing, and Detoit has a way of making people regret things
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:45 PM   #12
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Bucs dont have a 2nd this year because of Kellen Winslow. And we need the 3rd for DL help. I think Cutler is really lowering his value with his antics, especially if he doesnt show tomorow. Teams are going to lowball the Broncos, but if a team REALLY wants him (and I pray the Bucs do), theyll give up two 1st rnders + more.

I think if it turns into a bidding war, two 1sts and a 2nd will do. Cleveland might be the frontrunner though since they can also throw in a pretty good QB.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:47 PM   #13
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I'm all done with the rebuilding, reloading bull**** for the offense. The only trade that should happen is a trade that will give us an even better chance to win a Super Bowl in 2009 or 2010. McNabb is ready to move on from Philly, and he is better than Cutler. Due to the age difference, we ask for him and a 1st round pick this year for Jay. Sheffler, just make him stay and play. He'll be just fine with it when we're 7-1 at the half way mark.
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Denver gets Quinn, Rodgers, and no. 5

Cleveland gets Cutler, Shef, and no. 12
that would be the WORST Trade since Hershall Walker......why would Cleveland think they should get our 1st? For another mediocre egomaniac QB and a fat, lazy egomaniac DT. That would be the biggest ripoff ive ever seen.
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Think the only deal I would take for Cutler and not throw up in my mouth would be Matt Ryan and a first.
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People really need to wrap their minds around the fact that we're not going to get anything even remotely resembling what a QB of Jay's age and ability should be worth.

I mean, there's still talk of getting multiple first rounders? STILL?
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Bucs dont have a 2nd this year because of Kellen Winslow. And we need the 3rd for DL help. I think Cutler is really lowering his value with his antics, especially if he doesnt show tomorow. Teams are going to lowball the Broncos, but if a team REALLY wants him (and I pray the Bucs do), theyll give up two 1st rnders + more.

I think if it turns into a bidding war, two 1sts and a 2nd will do. Cleveland might be the frontrunner though since they can also throw in a pretty good QB.
I see what your saying, but I just don't see how is value is getting lower. I mean, look at yourself, he hasn't hurt his value in your mind.

It would take awhile to list all the teams that would love to have a QB like Cutler, that will drive the price up.
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Think the only deal I would take for Cutler and not throw up in my mouth would be Matt Ryan and a first.
I hope you like the taste of throw up then. I would take Matt Ryan straight up in a SECOND right now. Hell I'd even give up Cutler and a second for Matt Ryan, but I doubt the Falcons would go for it.
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Here is what we do know for sure:

1) Cutler will not be traded unless the Broncos get what they want. Cutler is not a FA and has multiple years left on his contract. He is a young pro-bowl caliber QB with a huge arm. He's has a hot head but along with that a real passion to compete and win. Broncos hold all the cards here. Cutler is not going anywhere unless the Broncos get what they want in return. It's not the other way around where we are just trying to unload some player and hoping to get a good offer. He's a Star QB as Bowlen states. Teams are gonna have to come to the table with a sweet deal if that's what they are looking for.

If I'm McD/Zanders, I definitely put Schef into the trade and take no less then:

OPTION A:

2009 1st round pick (must be top 15)
2009 2nd round pick
2010 1st round pick
2010 4th round pick

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Wouldn't any team trading away high value picks for a qb who is holding out on his current team make the qb's acceptance of the trade a condition? I don't think any team would be willing to take a chance on Cutler holding out on them also after giving up 1st rounders. If so, and assuming Cutler takes advantage and uses it to only be traded to a team he wants, that cuts down on the potiental partners and leverage much more also.
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People really need to wrap their minds around the fact that we're not going to get anything even remotely resembling what a QB of Jay's age and ability should be worth.

I mean, there's still talk of getting multiple first rounders? STILL?
Jay is still a wanted commodity by more than one organization anytime that happens and especially with the number of teams in the running should we decide to trade him I think a 1st and 2nd this year and perhaps a first next year isn't out of the question. I think in the end no less than 5 teams will have interest and we'll be in the drivers seat.
Jets, Browns, Buccs, Lions, Vikings and perhaps a few dark horses Bears, Buffalo etc...
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Wouldn't any team trading away high value picks for a qb who is holding out on his current team make the qb's acceptance of the trade a condition? I don't think any team would be willing to take a chance on Cutler holding out on them also after giving up 1st rounders. If so, and assuming Cutler takes advantage and uses it to only be traded to a team he wants, that cuts down on the potiental partners and leverage much more also.
Maybe if he had a year left on the contract. Cutler's exodus here is to secure a long-term juicy contract, period. He could care less about McD and the Broncos. i think the fact he has 3 years left would be an incentive to teams on the fence (if there are any).
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Old 03-15-2009, 09:09 PM   #23
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Agreed, I think there is already a bidding war for this guy. 75% of teams out there would love to have him given his age and ability. Man I wish we could just work this damn thing out, it really would be better for everyone.

My random thought on a trade:

Denver:
Gives Up: Cutler
Gets: Quinn, Rogers, #20

Detroit:
Gives up: #1, #20
Gets: Cutler

Cleveland:
Gives up: Quinn, Rogers
Gets: #1

Seems like wins all around to me, but what do I know.
Thats about as good as it gets. For the crappy situation DEN is in.
I dont think it would be with 2 teams though, but who knows?!?!
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Agreed, I think there is already a bidding war for this guy. 75% of teams out there would love to have him given his age and ability. Man I wish we could just work this damn thing out, it really would be better for everyone.

My random thought on a trade:

Denver:
Gives Up: Cutler
Gets: Quinn, Rogers, #20

Detroit:
Gives up: #1, #20
Gets: Cutler

Cleveland:
Gives up: Quinn, Rogers
Gets: #1

Seems like wins all around to me, but what do I know.


Wow, not bad! Throw in Tony Scheffler to the Browns and they would not be able to turn that down!!! For the record, Scheff is one of my favorite players... but the writing is on the wall for him as well. Sad.
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Agreed, I think there is already a bidding war for this guy. 75% of teams out there would love to have him given his age and ability. Man I wish we could just work this damn thing out, it really would be better for everyone.

My random thought on a trade:

Denver:
Gives Up: Cutler
Gets: Quinn, Rogers, #20

Detroit:
Gives up: #1, #20
Gets: Cutler

Cleveland:
Gives up: Quinn, Rogers
Gets: #1

Seems like wins all around to me, but what do I know.
Seems to me like Cleveland makes out pretty well in that scenario - trading Quinn and Rogers for the #1 pick in the draft. Having to pay the #1 and #5 pick would be tough too I imagine.
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