In your opinion, is Jay worth at least a first round pick? - The Orange Mane

Taco John · 03-13-2009, 12:47 PM

I cant' believe that there's any doubt about this...

Bladerunner · 03-13-2009, 12:50 PM

Absolutlely. He's worth more than a single 1st round pick. Quite a bit more in my opinion.

If the trade comes with a starting caliber QB, I'd want a first and perhaps a second as well. If there is no good QB compensation involved, then 2 1st at least.

Taco John · 03-13-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Right now, I don't even know if we could get a high first rounder for him.

Again, he's seen as coming with baggage, and has only made that worse with his tantrums.

Gcver2ver3 · 03-13-2009, 12:53 PM

it's not even debatable...

Cutler carries more value than the #1 overall pick...

and easily...

Rohirrim · 03-13-2009, 12:54 PM

Easily. I'd say a high first and a second (or next year's first).

elsid13 · 03-13-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Remember Popps bases his vast football knowledge on the years of watching games on TV and talking to rivals fans in his office. That why he is so much smarter then you are Issac.

Broncosfreak_56 · 03-13-2009, 12:57 PM

A 25 year old 3rd year pro-bowl caliber quarterback? Uh....yeah.

bronco militia · 03-13-2009, 12:58 PM

Hotrod · 03-13-2009, 12:58 PM

Lets see he was a 1st round pick who now has experiance and has proven to at the VERY least not be a bust. Any first round pick this year or in the future has a chance to be a total bust.

There is zero doubt about it

BroncoInferno · 03-13-2009, 01:00 PM

To be fair Taco, Popps said he wasn't sure if we could get a HIGH first rounder for Cutler. Meaning top 10 I would think. I'd say his value is two first rounders (or a first rounder and and a top veteran starter still in his 20s).

Taco John · 03-13-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dortoh

Lets see he was a 1st round pick who now has experiance and has proven to at the VERY least not be a bust. Any first round pick this year or in the future has a chance to be a total bust.

There is zero doubt about it

Wait a minute though... You're not factoring that the guy gets offended when he feels like he's been lied to. Surely that's got to bring down his value.

Taco John · 03-13-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

To be fair Taco, Popps said he wasn't sure if we could get a HIGH first rounder for Cutler. Meaning top 10 I would think. I'd say his value is two first rounders (or a first rounder and and a top veteran starter still in his 20s).

Even still, about every Mock Draft has Stafford and Sanchez being taken in the top ten. That's at least two potential suitors in the top ten. Does anyone really believe that these two teams wouldn't take Cutler for their top ten pick straight across without even blinking, and instead hold onto their picks to pick up either of these two rookies?

Hotrod · 03-13-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Wait a minute though... You're not factoring that the guy gets offended when he feels like he's been lied to. Surely that's got to bring down his value.

Talent and production > personality risks*

*For further reference see TO

And yes I know your using me to get the answer you wanted

HEAV · 03-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Yes he's worth a 1st rounder. But as a team tryin gto rebuild faster, I'd take two 2nd rounders and a day two pick.

Hercules Rockefeller · 03-13-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

Yes he's worth a 1st rounder. But as a team tryin gto rebuild faster, I'd take two 2nd rounders and a day two pick.

Christ, I wish this was sarcasm but I know it's not. The "more draft pick" crew strikes again. I'm sure you know exactly which 3 players to pick who will be Pro Bowlers through your vast scouting experience. Let's go with a scattershot approach and take less value instead of taking a pick where there will be much better talent to choose from.

Popps · 03-13-2009, 01:12 PM

As usual, Taco... you ****ed it all up.

My quote was... that I was UNSURE if we could get a HIGH first round pick.
(Based on the current state of negotiations and our lessening position of leverage.)

Can we get A first round pick? I would hope so.

Is there any difference between the top of the first round and the bottom, Taco? Maybe just a little tid-bit?

So, your poll is useless and absolutely mis-worded. Not a surprise.

But, you were probably too busy calling people liars and then cowering when asked to put your money where your silly mouth is.

Kaylore · 03-13-2009, 01:12 PM

At least. I'd expect a high first and then some.

Popps · 03-13-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

Yes he's worth a 1st rounder. But as a team tryin gto rebuild faster, I'd take two 2nd rounders and a day two pick.

By the way, the real question was whether or not Detroit would give us their #1. I simply said I was unsure, and have read and talked to people with varying opinions.

The notion around here that Jay would bring the #1 plus multiple other picks is just absurd.

Popps · 03-13-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I cant' believe that there's any doubt about this...

There probably isn't. You no-read-good.

gyldenlove · 03-13-2009, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

Wait a minute though... You're not factoring that the guy gets offended when he feels like he's been lied to. Surely that's got to bring down his value.

Matt Schaub hadn't started a handful of games, he was known to be an injury risk and he was worth a couple of 2nd round picks. Cassel has one year as a starter for a very good team and convinced the entire world that he no Tom Brady and he is worth a 2nd.

Cutler, has a pro bowl, he is younger than either of the two above, he has not missed a game with injury.

Add to that the fact that this years QB draft is the weakest since the 2005 draft and a proven QB suddenly holds quite a bit of value. If you are a team that is a good QB away from being solid (like the Jets, Vikings, Bears, Redskins) Cutler would easily be worth a 1st rounder, and probably two.

Taco John · 03-13-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Popps

As usual, Taco... you ****ed it all up.

My quote was... that I was UNSURE if we could get a HIGH first round pick.
(Based on the current state of negotiations and our lessening position of leverage.)

Can we get A first round pick? I would hope so.

Is there any difference between the top of the first round and the bottom, Taco? Maybe just a little tid-bit?

So, your poll is useless and absolutely mis-worded. Not a surprise.

But, you were probably too busy calling people liars and then cowering when asked to put your money where your silly mouth is.

Why would that change anything? Just about everyone is saying he's worth AT LEAST a first round pick and more. He's certianly worth a straight across trade for Stafford or Sanchez, and those guys will likely be drafted by the Lions at the #1 spot, or the Niners at the #10 spot.

Smiling Assassin27 · 03-13-2009, 01:16 PM

franchise qb's are worth their weight in draft picks. pro bowl franchise qb's are worth even more than that.

SonOfLe-loLang · 03-13-2009, 01:16 PM

Can we all step back for a second and look at this objectively.

Can you name another starting QB on the trading block that was 25 and just came off a season like Cutler's? With the talent that cutler posesses? It's unheard of. Also, yes he has diabetes, but for all intents and purposes, he's healthy. The broncos don't NEED to deal him and, though he's petulant, i dont think he's a locker room cancer and I doubt his attitude really would stand in the way (even though im sure a team will TRY to use this as leverage.) In a QB hungry league, teams will LINE UP to try to get this QB who is probably 3-4 years BELOW HIS PRIME!!!

If we don't get AT LEAST TWO first round picks for him, its a travesty. Mark my words. Travesty

Smiling Assassin27 · 03-13-2009, 01:17 PM

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The broncos don't NEED to deal him and, though he's petulant, i dont think he's a locker room cancer and I doubt his attitude really would stand in the way (even though im sure a team will TRY to use this as leverage.)

yet.

Popps · 03-13-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Why would that change anything?

Good point, bro.

You know what, there's no difference between the #1 and the #30 pick.

Arizona should call Detroit and tell them to just swap picks.

I mean, what would it change.

Dude, do you just enjoy looking foolish?

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03-13-2009, 12:47 PM	#1
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	In your opinion, is Jay worth at least a first round pick? I cant' believe that there's any doubt about this...

03-13-2009, 12:50 PM	#2
Bladerunner Ring of Famer ...Two weeks from everywhere! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,125 Adopt-a-Bronco: Willis McGahee	Absolutlely. He's worth more than a single 1st round pick. Quite a bit more in my opinion. If the trade comes with a starting caliber QB, I'd want a first and perhaps a second as well. If there is no good QB compensation involved, then 2 1st at least.

03-13-2009, 12:53 PM	#4
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	it's not even debatable... Cutler carries more value than the #1 overall pick... and easily...

03-13-2009, 12:54 PM	#5
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,854	Easily. I'd say a high first and a second (or next year's first).

03-13-2009, 12:57 PM	#7
Broncosfreak_56 Concrete Cyanide Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lakewood Posts: 1,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon Moreno	A 25 year old 3rd year pro-bowl caliber quarterback? Uh....yeah.

03-13-2009, 12:58 PM	#9
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	Lets see he was a 1st round pick who now has experiance and has proven to at the VERY least not be a bust. Any first round pick this year or in the future has a chance to be a total bust. There is zero doubt about it

03-13-2009, 01:00 PM	#10
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,003	To be fair Taco, Popps said he wasn't sure if we could get a HIGH first rounder for Cutler. Meaning top 10 I would think. I'd say his value is two first rounders (or a first rounder and and a top veteran starter still in his 20s).

03-13-2009, 01:07 PM	#14
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Yes he's worth a 1st rounder. But as a team tryin gto rebuild faster, I'd take two 2nd rounders and a day two pick.

03-13-2009, 01:12 PM	#16
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	As usual, Taco... you **ed it all up. My quote was... that I was UNSURE if we could get a HIGH** first round pick. (Based on the current state of negotiations and our lessening position of leverage.) Can we get A first round pick? I would hope so. Is there any difference between the top of the first round and the bottom, Taco? Maybe just a little tid-bit? So, your poll is useless and absolutely mis-worded. Not a surprise. But, you were probably too busy calling people liars and then cowering when asked to put your money where your silly mouth is.

03-13-2009, 01:12 PM	#17
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	At least. I'd expect a high first and then some.

03-13-2009, 01:16 PM	#22
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,983 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	franchise qb's are worth their weight in draft picks. pro bowl franchise qb's are worth even more than that.

03-13-2009, 01:16 PM	#23
SonOfLe-loLang Young Buck Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 13,234 Adopt-a-Bronco: Thunder (RIP)	Can we all step back for a second and look at this objectively. Can you name another starting QB on the trading block that was 25 and just came off a season like Cutler's? With the talent that cutler posesses? It's unheard of. Also, yes he has diabetes, but for all intents and purposes, he's healthy. The broncos don't NEED to deal him and, though he's petulant, i dont think he's a locker room cancer and I doubt his attitude really would stand in the way (even though im sure a team will TRY to use this as leverage.) In a QB hungry league, teams will LINE UP to try to get this QB who is probably 3-4 years BELOW HIS PRIME!!! If we don't get AT LEAST TWO first round picks for him, its a travesty. Mark my words. Travesty