Cutler is Way Ahead on the PR Battle - The Orange Mane

rugbythug · 03-11-2009, 09:01 AM

It has become very apperant that Cutler is way ahead on the PR Department. His Message is getting out quicker and thus gets seen as fact before the Broncos even Respond. This to me is a telling sign. Cutler actually wants out. But he wants to stay the good guy too. This is a very delicate balance to walk. Force your way out with 2-3 years left on your rookie deal and the fans tend to turn on you. But with the McD as a new coach he needs to make it seem like he was forced out. There is very good reason for him wanting to go. For one he is not making much money this year 1.5 Mill. And only 6.x next year. He gets out and gets a new deal he makes 30-40 guaranteed. Plus he hits FA 2 years sooner again. Probably in his Early 30's Getting him an additional 40-50Mill. If he gets out now he will actually probably gain-20-30 Million in new dollars. This is a big incentive for him to not be happy. Why else do some of the things he is doing. Why leak everything to the media? If a player wanted to stay in Denver there is no reason to do this. It is obvious Denvers FO did not see this coming. They are behind with every press report. They thought that Cutler had an actual beef about the trade reports. They call talk try and smooth things over. From there perspectives nothing contentious is said. They then go to bed. Next Morning get up Read the post and see-"Cutler More Pissed now than before" WTF? There is no Reason to Leak this out unless you are trying to get traded.

bowtown · 03-11-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rugbythug

It has become very apperant that Cutler is way ahead on the PR Department. His Message is getting out quicker and thus gets seen as fact before the Broncos even Respond. This to me is a telling sign. Cutler actually wants out. But he wants to stay the good guy too. This is a very delicate balance to walk. Force your way out with 2-3 years left on your rookie deal and the fans tend to turn on you. But with the McD as a new coach he needs to make it seem like he was forced out. There is very good reason for him wanting to go. For one he is not making much money this year 1.5 Mill. And only 6.x next year. He gets out and gets a new deal he makes 30-40 guaranteed. Plus he hits FA 2 years sooner again. Probably in his Early 30's Getting him an additional 40-50Mill. If he gets out now he will actually probably gain-20-30 Million in new dollars. This is a big incentive for him to not be happy. Why else do some of the things he is doing. Why leak everything to the media? If a player wanted to stay in Denver there is no reason to do this. It is obvious Denvers FO did not see this coming. They are behind with every press report. They thought that Cutler had an actual beef about the trade reports. They call talk try and smooth things over. From there perspectives nothing contentious is said. They then go to bed. Next Morning get up Read the post and see-"Cutler More Pissed now than before" WTF? There is no Reason to Leak this out unless you are trying to get traded.

Sadly, I think this is probably accurate.

worm · 03-11-2009, 09:07 AM

I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

no-pseudo-fan · 03-11-2009, 09:07 AM

It could be a lot of things. It could be that Jay wants out of Denver, it could be that these "sources" are keeping this story going by blowing smoke. I don't know, but I want this all to end.

cmhargrove · 03-11-2009, 09:09 AM

We'll learn a little more about Jay's desire to stay with the broncos on Monday.

theAPAOps5 · 03-11-2009, 09:09 AM

You know we never landed on the moon right.....

CBF1 · 03-11-2009, 09:10 AM

I think that Cutler started all these trade rumors himself...trying to get traded to make this scenerio possible. Damn his is smarter than I ever thought.

frerottenextelway · 03-11-2009, 09:11 AM

Cutler is the one to actually have the balls to talk to the media and put his face with his words rather than anonymous leaks and ''no comment'' one liners.

Lets not kid anyone, we all know what ''no comment'' meant.

Rohirrim · 03-11-2009, 09:11 AM

Not the first time Bus Cook has stirred up some drama for his clients.

Hulamau · 03-11-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rugbythug

It has become very apperant that Cutler is way ahead on the PR Department. His Message is getting out quicker and thus gets seen as fact before the Broncos even Respond. This to me is a telling sign. Cutler actually wants out. But he wants to stay the good guy too. This is a very delicate balance to walk. Force your way out with 2-3 years left on your rookie deal and the fans tend to turn on you. But with the McD as a new coach he needs to make it seem like he was forced out. There is very good reason for him wanting to go. For one he is not making much money this year 1.5 Mill. And only 6.x next year. He gets out and gets a new deal he makes 30-40 guaranteed. Plus he hits FA 2 years sooner again. Probably in his Early 30's Getting him an additional 40-50Mill. If he gets out now he will actually probably gain-20-30 Million in new dollars. This is a big incentive for him to not be happy. Why else do some of the things he is doing. Why leak everything to the media? If a player wanted to stay in Denver there is no reason to do this. It is obvious Denvers FO did not see this coming. They are behind with every press report. They thought that Cutler had an actual beef about the trade reports. They call talk try and smooth things over. From there perspectives nothing contentious is said. They then go to bed. Next Morning get up Read the post and see-"Cutler More Pissed now than before" WTF? There is no Reason to Leak this out unless you are trying to get traded.

This is a possible scenario here, but I wouldn't bet on this being a winning strategy for Cutler. He is going to lose a lot of respect both here ( which if this is really where he is coming from he likely could care less about) but also around the rest of the league and will start to take on 'TO-like' rep around the league and in the eyes of fans in general.

Not to mention possibly losing out on a lot of advertising $$$$ bucks as well if this rep as a spoiled boy who hurt the Broncos prevails.

Plus, he may not land in football paradise like he might envision and could very easily be sent to a team with an offense as lousy as our defense was the past two years and then he is ****ed for sure for the next few years at least.

Lets see how he likes playing behind a sieve of an offensive line and watch his INT/TD ratio sky rocket!? Watch his knee's, shoulder and head take a brutal pounding from getting sacked 40 or 50 times plus a year and see all this talent go to waste as just another guy with a world of talent who through "bad luck' and his own undoing wound up wasting it all.

That's a real possibility too, and by the time his next contract comes up he may have gone through two more teams and is then vying as somebodies backup!

That too is what rolling this particular dice might bring him as well, if he is so eager to jump out of what is a very sweet deal for him here with this O-line and a coach who has proven to be a QB mastermind and has run several offensive powerhouse teams the past few years.

In any event, this is all speculation obviously, but be careful what you wish for Jay!

I hope none of it comes true and Cutler wins 4 super bowls with McDaniels and they can call sit around laugh about it by the pool in twelve years time.

rugbythug · 03-11-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Cutler is the one to actually have the balls to talk to the media and put his face with his words rather than anonymous leaks and ''no comment'' one liners.

Lets not kid anyone, we all know what ''no comment'' meant.

The Broncos have not been the anonymous leak. They have nothing to gain from any of them that have occurred.

ZONA · 03-11-2009, 09:29 AM

People are not understanding at all. There is no value in return right now for Jay. We are not trading him for any 2nd rate QB's in this league and picks. We are not trading him for another top 5 QB such as McNabb or somebody. He is not a FA. He is not going anywhere. He can play games if he wants, talk to the media, whatever. He's not going anywhere. He will be taking snaps for the Broncos so lets be done with this foolish jibber jabber.

SoDak Bronco · 03-11-2009, 09:33 AM

Okay, answer this, Why did McD say last week, we are not trading Cutler, blah blah blah. And then yesterday in the meeting with Cutler he said"Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. "

gyldenlove · 03-11-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

Okay, answer this, Why did McD say last week, we are not trading Cutler, blah blah blah. And then yesterday in the meeting with Cutler he said"Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. "

I know, that one bothers me. You can't have it both ways. If you want to send the message that for the right offers anyone can be had including Miles, then you can't say you don't want to trade Cutler. If you say you don't want to trade him, then you also have to say that there is no offer that could be made.

worm · 03-11-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ZONA

He will be taking snaps for the Broncos so lets be done with this foolish jibber jabber.

dbfan4life · 03-11-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

Okay, answer this, Why did McD say last week, we are not trading Cutler, blah blah blah. And then yesterday in the meeting with Cutler he said"Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. "

McD: Bottom line, Jay, we're not going to trade you. I want to win some ball games next year - with you as the QB. Unless someone better comes along and by better I mean someone who will just stfu and do as I say.

Jay: WTF dude?

rugbythug · 03-11-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

Okay, answer this, Why did McD say last week, we are not trading Cutler, blah blah blah. And then yesterday in the meeting with Cutler he said"Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. "

Jay and you are my QB and we are going to do big things. But I am the coach.

alpine · 03-11-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Not the first time Bus Cook has stirred up some drama for his clients.

Rep. Follow the money.

lex · 03-11-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cmhargrove

We'll learn a little more about Jay's desire to stay with McDaniels on Monday.

Fixed

Traveler · 03-11-2009, 10:13 AM

All this just for a new contract? If that's what this is all about, I'd respect him more if he just said he wanted to renegotiate.

Instead, all we get are these whiny rants that he feels disrespected. I've always believed that respect is earned.

HEAV · 03-11-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CBF1

I think that Cutler started all these trade rumors himself...trying to get traded to make this scenerio possible. Damn his is smarter than I ever thought.

Ya get the feeling he trying to get moved outta Denver. He just may want the out.

bronco militia · 03-11-2009, 10:18 AM

neither one of these a-holes (cutler****er and mc****face )have proven **** to me yet.

Pat Bowlen should get off his drunk ass and go botch a few interviews.

lex · 03-11-2009, 10:21 AM

I think rugbythug makes an excellent, well thought out observation. But does it not also seem like these two guys dont like each other? It seems like theres more to it than just money. If Shanahan was here, I doubt this would be happening. So I think something about McDaniels has rubbed Cutler the wrong way going back. I also think that its possible that Jay may have said something to Bowlen that he didnt want to hear when he called Jay to discuss firing Shanahan. I wouldnt discount Bowlen having an axe to grind against Cutler as well. Who knows?

slyinky · 03-11-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

Okay, answer this, Why did McD say last week, we are not trading Cutler, blah blah blah. And then yesterday in the meeting with Cutler he said"Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. "

McDaniels listened to an offer involving Cassel, hence the "untradable" remark. After Cassel was no longer an option and there isn't any other attractive alternatives to consider, he is now "not trading" Cutler. Personally, I have no problem with the remarks. He simply listened to an offer involving a familiar QB and since that is no longer a possibility, Cutler is now not going to be traded.

BroncoBuff · 03-11-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rugbythug

It has become very apperant that Cutler is way ahead on the PR Department. His Message is getting out quicker and thus gets seen as fact before the Broncos even Respond.

Josh is in way over his head. They're "not responding" quick enough because Josh is a COACH, and that's all he is. He has ZERO background to be GM, but Bowlen has given him those powers and thrown him in the deep end.

I'm on Jay's side, now. Is he a prima donna? Probably, but I don't care anymore, he's OUR prima donna, and he deserves a coach he can trust.
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03-11-2009, 09:01 AM	#1
rugbythug Church Eyes. Salty Dog Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,784 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Miller	Cutler is Way Ahead on the PR Battle It has become very apperant that Cutler is way ahead on the PR Department. His Message is getting out quicker and thus gets seen as fact before the Broncos even Respond. This to me is a telling sign. Cutler actually wants out. But he wants to stay the good guy too. This is a very delicate balance to walk. Force your way out with 2-3 years left on your rookie deal and the fans tend to turn on you. But with the McD as a new coach he needs to make it seem like he was forced out. There is very good reason for him wanting to go. For one he is not making much money this year 1.5 Mill. And only 6.x next year. He gets out and gets a new deal he makes 30-40 guaranteed. Plus he hits FA 2 years sooner again. Probably in his Early 30's Getting him an additional 40-50Mill. If he gets out now he will actually probably gain-20-30 Million in new dollars. This is a big incentive for him to not be happy. Why else do some of the things he is doing. Why leak everything to the media? If a player wanted to stay in Denver there is no reason to do this. It is obvious Denvers FO did not see this coming. They are behind with every press report. They thought that Cutler had an actual beef about the trade reports. They call talk try and smooth things over. From there perspectives nothing contentious is said. They then go to bed. Next Morning get up Read the post and see-"Cutler More Pissed now than before" WTF? There is no Reason to Leak this out unless you are trying to get traded.

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03-11-2009, 09:07 AM	#3
worm Great moments are born... ...from great opportunity Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,947 Adopt-a-Bronco: #20	I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

03-11-2009, 09:07 AM	#4
no-pseudo-fan True Orange & Blue Follow me... Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: EPT Posts: 2,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Hidalgo	It could be a lot of things. It could be that Jay wants out of Denver, it could be that these "sources" are keeping this story going by blowing smoke. I don't know, but I want this all to end.

03-11-2009, 09:09 AM	#5
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	We'll learn a little more about Jay's desire to stay with the broncos on Monday.

03-11-2009, 09:09 AM	#6
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	You know we never landed on the moon right.....

03-11-2009, 09:10 AM	#7
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	I think that Cutler started all these trade rumors himself...trying to get traded to make this scenerio possible. Damn his is smarter than I ever thought.

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frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	Cutler is the one to actually have the balls to talk to the media and put his face with his words rather than anonymous leaks and ''no comment'' one liners. Lets not kid anyone, we all know what ''no comment'' meant.

03-11-2009, 09:11 AM	#9
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,787	Not the first time Bus Cook has stirred up some drama for his clients.

03-11-2009, 09:29 AM	#12
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,356 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	People are not understanding at all. There is no value in return right now for Jay. We are not trading him for any 2nd rate QB's in this league and picks. We are not trading him for another top 5 QB such as McNabb or somebody. He is not a FA. He is not going anywhere. He can play games if he wants, talk to the media, whatever. He's not going anywhere. He will be taking snaps for the Broncos so lets be done with this foolish jibber jabber.

03-11-2009, 09:33 AM	#13
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	Okay, answer this, Why did McD say last week, we are not trading Cutler, blah blah blah. And then yesterday in the meeting with Cutler he said"Cutler said the meeting didn't go as hoped, according to the NFL source, adding that McDaniels reiterated no one is untradable for the sake of improving the team and that the quarterback was expected to report for the team's offseason conditioning program that begins Monday. "

03-11-2009, 10:13 AM	#20
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,408 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	All this just for a new contract? If that's what this is all about, I'd respect him more if he just said he wanted to renegotiate. Instead, all we get are these whiny rants that he feels disrespected. I've always believed that respect is earned.

03-11-2009, 10:18 AM	#22
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,567	neither one of these a-holes (cutler**er and mcface )have proven ** to me yet. Pat Bowlen should get off his drunk ass and go botch a few interviews.

03-11-2009, 10:21 AM	#23
lex Bowlen Sold Us Out! The Broncos have been DisemBowlened Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 10,253 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think rugbythug makes an excellent, well thought out observation. But does it not also seem like these two guys dont like each other? It seems like theres more to it than just money. If Shanahan was here, I doubt this would be happening. So I think something about McDaniels has rubbed Cutler the wrong way going back. I also think that its possible that Jay may have said something to Bowlen that he didnt want to hear when he called Jay to discuss firing Shanahan. I wouldnt discount Bowlen having an axe to grind against Cutler as well. Who knows?