Alternative QB Options - The Orange Mane

montrose · 03-09-2009, 09:40 AM

Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think?

1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time.

2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12.

3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job.

4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete.

5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless.

6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

vancejohnson82 · 03-09-2009, 09:43 AM

Get Quinn and Shawn Rogers in here with the Browns 3rd rounder for Cutler....

we get a young QB, and some help up front....

Tombstone RJ · 03-09-2009, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montrose

Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think?

1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time.

2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12.

3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job.

4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete.

5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless.

6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

I think McX will go with Simms and draft a mid to late round QB to groom. It's a typical NE game plan and it worked with Brady.

Simms will run the show and if McX believes the Broncos can win a SB with Simms, they will stick with him. Otherwise, they will draft a QB whom they feel provides the team with the best opportunity to win a SB.

rugbythug · 03-09-2009, 09:44 AM

With Denver's O-Line Many QB's available could be successful. Maybe not at the level that Cutler could be but Successful still.

Popcorn Sutton · 03-09-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

Get Quinn and Shawn Rogers in here with the Browns 3rd rounder for Cutler....

we get a young QB, and some help up front....

Umm, yeah sure... The Browns best defensive player and an up and comer QB plus a third round quarterback for a disgruntled and oft pissy Jay Cutler. Sounds fair to me...

montrose · 03-09-2009, 09:47 AM

The key is getting a guy who is a decision maker and a leader - the two qualities New England values the most when it comes to QB. If we have to move him, I'd like to see us draft a guy in the mid-rounds, and bring in one of the guys on the trade list plus picks for Jay.

enjolras · 03-09-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew

Umm, yeah sure... The Browns best defensive player and an up and comer QB plus a third round quarterback for a disgruntled and oft pissy Jay Cutler. Sounds fair to me...

I think that would be quite realistic actually. That's what a pro-bowl QB is worth.

vancejohnson82 · 03-09-2009, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrewCrew

Umm, yeah sure... The Browns best defensive player and an up and comer QB plus a third round quarterback for a disgruntled and oft pissy Jay Cutler. Sounds fair to me...

hey, people in other threads are throwing around **** like this:

"give him to the Vikings for Adrian Peterson, their 1st and their 2nd"

at least mine holds a little bit of water

eddie mac · 03-09-2009, 09:48 AM

Make Cutler play out the remainder of his contract. If he refuses to, **** his career up permanently.

vancejohnson82 · 03-09-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjolras

I think that would be quite realistic actually. That's what a pro-bowl QB is worth.

exactly....we might be forced to give up another pick in that deal but I thought it was pretty feasible

Popcorn Sutton · 03-09-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjolras

I think that would be quite realistic actually. That's what a pro-bowl QB is worth.

I can assure you that Brown's fans disagree.

vancejohnson82 · 03-09-2009, 09:52 AM

http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

SoDak Bronco · 03-09-2009, 09:52 AM

I haven't seen anything offically saying he isn't meeting with McD

scttgrd · 03-09-2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

Yes I think if they pull the trigger on Cutler they have. And so have about half the fans who think it's a good idea. Be carefull what you wish for.......

Popcorn Sutton · 03-09-2009, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/

quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this

one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?"

so....

Interesting how that trade is different than what you proposed... You said Rogers, Quinn and a 3rd rounder for Cutler. That says Rogers and Quinn for Cutler and a 3rd rounder. It's actually quite different.

BTW, I should have said reasonable Browns fans won't agree with you.

Tombstone RJ · 03-09-2009, 09:55 AM

I don't want Brady (I'm a closet homo) Quinn.

No. Fuggin. Way.

I don't care if he's Captain Fantastic and can fling the ball a mile, cut on a dime, and simultaneously catch the same ball he just threw. My answer is stil NO.

vancejohnson82 · 03-09-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrewCrew

Interesting how that trade is different than what you proposed... You said Rogers, Quinn and a 3rd rounder for Cutler. That says Rogers and Quinn for Cutler and a 3rd rounder. It's actually quite different.

BTW, I should have said reasonable Browns fans won't agree with you.

yes....i swung a pick our way in my proposed deal...

jonny1 · 03-09-2009, 09:59 AM

What "news this morning" are we talking about?

HEAV · 03-09-2009, 10:00 AM

Jeff Garcia
Gus Frerotte

Bring in another FA to compete with Simms.

Trade Cutler to Detriot for the 1st overall (may have to do some later pick swapping).

With the #1 overall select the 2009 version of Cutler in Stafford.

Trade the 12th selection and get outta the 1st round in exchange for 2nd round and later round selections.

SoDak Bronco · 03-09-2009, 10:01 AM

listening to KOA news now...

gyldenlove · 03-09-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montrose

Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think?

1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time.

2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12.

3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job.

4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete.

5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless.

6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

1. I strongly believe this won't happen. Simms has no spleen, and that is the good news. The bad news is that not even QB lover Gruden had any use for Simms.

2. You don't trade a young franchise QB for a rookie QB who would not be a 1st round pick in a strong draft. Both Flacco and Ryan would have been selected ahead of Stafford and Sanchez, not to mention the big 3 of the 2006 draft.

3. We could draft a mid round QB, but they all come with HUGE problems and would take years to get ready to perform. See Brady, Romo, Cassel (they all sat behind a good player).

4. There is a reason those guys are not signed already is that they suck. Garcia wasn't even a good QB when he had Owens. Leftwich would make our offensive line look bad, he takes so long to get a throw off that we will be giving up sacks by the barrel.

5. Favre is a goner, we saw last year that he doesn't have it anymore. Plummer could concievably come back now that Shanahan is gone, but do we really want the QB we dumped back?

6. This is the only one I believe in. I just don't know which other team would pull the trigger on a trade. On the list of QBs who have comparable value to Cutler we have: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan (Some a little higher, some a little lower). The Mannings, Brady, Ryan and Roethlisberger are clear untouchable. I don't think anybody would be happy with a Rivers for Cutler trade so that is out. Romo can't be traded because of his contract. Brees and Rodgers could both be traded, but really why would they?

Then we have to look at the group of players of less value, Mcnabb who has an injury history and is old, Bulger who has never been the same since his injury, ditto for Carson Palmer. Delhomme and Hasselbeck have both been close to being shown the door, their value would require at least one 1st round pick to be added to the deal. There is really no reason to trade for a QB who hasn't shown anything, we might as well draft one then.

Matt Schaub is not tradable because of his contract, and is injury prone. Chad Pennington has an injury history and is just a good game manager.

I don't see any team who could pull off the trade except Green Bay. Rodgers is young enough, he has no significant injuries and played well last year and yet Cutler would be an upgrade. Rodgers can be traded because of his contract structure.

Any other team would have to pony up more draft picks than most would consider wise in todays market.

montrose · 03-09-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie mac

Make Cutler play out the remainder of his contract. If he refuses to, **** his career up permanently.

I agree to an extent. However if the guy refuses to show up for camp or shows up and becomes a problem in the locker room - it's not worth deteriorating the entire organization. This team has so many needs, it's conceivable a Cutler deal could provide assets to help it get better. Especially if you believe that McDaniels can work his magic with another, less physically gifted but better decision making QB.

With all that's going on, and all we know about the way New England conducts business, I have a very hard time believing that Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler will be here long-term. In fact, I could see those guys finding their way to wherever Shanny coaches in 2010. With that in mind, I'd rather not waste this season on players who won't be here so if Jay isn't "the guy", which I have my suspicions he's not, than it may be time to move on now.

manchambo · 03-09-2009, 10:06 AM

You didn't include one of the better choices to get us out of this cluster-love:

Fire the coach who was stupid enough to get the team into a death struggle with its young prow-bowl QB. Then promote Dennison as "interim" head coach and make the job permanent if he does a good job.

BlaK-Argentina · 03-09-2009, 10:10 AM

Jumping the gun a bit... huh?

Man-Goblin · 03-09-2009, 10:10 AM

Options 3 and 6 would be my preference if Cutler has to go. Get McNabb and draft a mid-round QB to groom, I guess.

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03-09-2009, 09:40 AM	#1
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,096 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	Alternative QB Options Following this morning's news, what are the Broncos options if they have to go in another direction at QB? I came up with a few, what do you guys think? 1) Go with Chris Simms - Obviously already on the roster, Simms hasn't played in a few seasons but showed potential in that time. 2) Draft a 1st round QB - It's not likely, but possible that either Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez could fall to #12. 3) Draft a mid-round QB - A guy like Josh Freeman, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar or Graham Harrell could be selected and compete for the job. 4) Look to another free agent - Jeff Garcia and Byron Leftwich are among the guys who could be brought in to compete. 5) Coax a QB out of retirement - Getting Brett Favre would require convincing him to comeback plus appeasing the Jets in a trade. Jake Plummer was bought out by Tampa Bay and is a free agent I believe, who visited Pat Bowlen and Dove Valley last week nonetheless. 6) Make a trade for another QB - Guys who seem like they could be available for the right deal include Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Jake Delhomme, David Anderson, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart and John Beck.

03-09-2009, 09:43 AM	#2
vancejohnson82 Drama and Mediocrity I'm Afraid of Ty Law Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newark, NJ Posts: 5,994 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ	Get Quinn and Shawn Rogers in here with the Browns 3rd rounder for Cutler.... we get a young QB, and some help up front....

03-09-2009, 09:44 AM	#4
rugbythug Church Eyes. Salty Dog Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,822 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Miller	With Denver's O-Line Many QB's available could be successful. Maybe not at the level that Cutler could be but Successful still.

03-09-2009, 09:47 AM	#6
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,096 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	The key is getting a guy who is a decision maker and a leader - the two qualities New England values the most when it comes to QB. If we have to move him, I'd like to see us draft a guy in the mid-rounds, and bring in one of the guys on the trade list plus picks for Jay.

03-09-2009, 09:48 AM	#9
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,578 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	Make Cutler play out the remainder of his contract. If he refuses to, **** his career up permanently.

03-09-2009, 09:52 AM	#12
vancejohnson82 Drama and Mediocrity I'm Afraid of Ty Law Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newark, NJ Posts: 5,994 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ	http://ballhype.com/story/cutler_traded_to_the_browns/ quick internet search kind of disproves your theory....this selection of Browns fans was actually quite excited with a deal like this one fan actually says, "have the Broncos lost it?" so....

03-09-2009, 09:52 AM	#13
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,133 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	I haven't seen anything offically saying he isn't meeting with McD

03-09-2009, 09:55 AM	#16
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,527 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	I don't want Brady (I'm a closet homo) Quinn. No. Fuggin. Way. I don't care if he's Captain Fantastic and can fling the ball a mile, cut on a dime, and simultaneously catch the same ball he just threw. My answer is stil NO.

03-09-2009, 09:59 AM	#18
jonny1 Ahhh, football! Broncos' cheerleaders rule! Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,504 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Kuper	What "news this morning" are we talking about?

03-09-2009, 10:00 AM	#19
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Jeff Garcia Gus Frerotte Bring in another FA to compete with Simms. Trade Cutler to Detriot for the 1st overall (may have to do some later pick swapping). With the #1 overall select the 2009 version of Cutler in Stafford. Trade the 12th selection and get outta the 1st round in exchange for 2nd round and later round selections.

03-09-2009, 10:01 AM	#20
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,133 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	listening to KOA news now...

03-09-2009, 10:06 AM	#23
manchambo Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,213	You didn't include one of the better choices to get us out of this cluster-love: Fire the coach who was stupid enough to get the team into a death struggle with its young prow-bowl QB. Then promote Dennison as "interim" head coach and make the job permanent if he does a good job.

03-09-2009, 10:10 AM	#24
BlaK-Argentina Pampita says... ... support your team! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina. Posts: 5,175 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	Jumping the gun a bit... huh?

03-09-2009, 10:10 AM	#25
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,603 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Options 3 and 6 would be my preference if Cutler has to go. Get McNabb and draft a mid-round QB to groom, I guess.