Trading up for Raji - The Orange Mane

Elway777 · 03-08-2009, 02:35 PM

Would you trade our first and 3 plus a 5 rounder to move up for Raji. A team like Jacksonville might be willing to do the Trade. I could also see the Broncos trading our 1 and 2 rounder to Bengals for their 6 round pick . The Broncos get their #1 need of Nose tackle in Raji. If the Broncos could add a player like Jason Taylor in free agency then I could see the Broncos trading up for Raji.

tsiguy96 · 03-08-2009, 02:42 PM

depends...if hes there at 8-9 yes but i wouldnt try to move up too far to get him.

PRBronco · 03-08-2009, 02:43 PM

No, I've read more than report suggesting Raji, despite appearances, isn't ideal as a nose tackle, and is more suited to a 4 man front.

GoBroncos84 · 03-08-2009, 02:48 PM

No thanks. If Raji falls to us, then ok. I don't want to trade up for him. I'd rather stay put and take Jackson or Maualuga at 12 and use the other picks.

ANIMAL24 · 03-08-2009, 02:59 PM

barryr · 03-08-2009, 03:00 PM

No I wouldn't because NT's in a 3-4 can be found later in the draft. Broncos need guys on defense that can make plays and NT's in a 3-4 are generally facing double teams, so they aren't usually going to be making a lot of plays. They help others make plays, but right now, the Broncos don't have the guys to make any big plays right now.

Popps · 03-08-2009, 03:02 PM

I just don't know enough about him. Haven't seen him play outside of a few videos.

If he's a true NT prospect and falls in the can't-miss categor (see Clady)... then there's no question you trade up. Our entire defense is predicated on three big bastards that can control the LOS.

But, it sure seems to me like there will be some good value there at 12, or even trading down a few spots and taking one of the USC LBs is an option.

Killericon · 03-08-2009, 03:05 PM

Does anyone think he'd make a good 3-4 end?

Gcver2ver3 · 03-08-2009, 03:09 PM

no...we're are sitting at a good spot at 12...

somebody really good will likely fall to us, giving us the option to either draft him (if he's a defensive player) or listen to offers from teams wanting to acquire our pick (if he's an offensive player such as Crabtree or Sanchez)...

Requiem · 03-08-2009, 03:10 PM

There will be good defensive talent at #12 for Denver. They should be interested in trading down if that's possible.

gyldenlove · 03-08-2009, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killericon

Does anyone think he'd make a good 3-4 end?

Yep, I think he would be good anywhere on a 3 man front.

On the whole I wouldn't move up, there are at least 2 pass rushing OLBs with value, 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 CT/FS who would all be good at number 12, and this doesn't count Curry suddenly sliding.

With at least 1LB, 1 QB, at least 1 WR, and at least 2 OTs being drafted in the top 10 and probably more we should get one of the good defensive talents, and if somehow they are all drafted ahead of us I am sure we can find someone who would like to move up a bit for Sanchez or Oher. Maclin has been shooting up boards too, and realisticly we could end up having more than 1 of the players Raji, Brown, Orakpo, Malcolm and Jackson to choose from.

UberBroncoMan · 03-08-2009, 03:40 PM

Nah... I'd rather us have our picks. Plus Ron Brace could be just as good if not better at NT and we could get him by trading down out 1st and picking up an extra 2nd. Raji was a penetration DT that relied on Brace taking up lots of people... it just so happens taking up blockers is something that a NT must be good at.

tsiguy96 · 03-08-2009, 03:41 PM

im in the "BPA on defense, trade down if offensive player falls" school of thought right now...

Rohirrim · 03-08-2009, 04:12 PM

The Broncos need every pick they can get. If anything, they should trade down and get value picks in the second round.

Needa Pass Rush · 03-08-2009, 04:15 PM

I don't know... I watched a fair number of BC Eagle games this year. I think you could make the argument to stay at 12 (or trade down) and take BPA and look at Raji's teammate at BC, Ron Brace in the second or third. I think Brace could be the better NT prospect.

broncofan7 · 03-08-2009, 04:17 PM

bpc · 03-08-2009, 04:25 PM

cmhargrove · 03-08-2009, 04:29 PM

Don't buy into the huge pre draft hype. Raji might indeed make a very good NFL NT, but that's not his natural position. He would do much better being a standout 4-3 DT (but we might be running a hybrid for the next couple years). He would be a very good pick at #12, but not worth trading picks for.

Now, if we could trade a player like Scheffler to move up and snag him, that might be worth it.

It's my opinion that any of this year's NT's will take a year or two to develop, so we might as well just take some of the bigger DT's available in rounds 2-5. There is good talent at LB for the #12 pick - I mean instant starter material. You can't pass on an instant starting LB, they usually do well their rookie year.

Stay put, or trade down.

BroncoMan4ever · 03-08-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elway777

Would you trade our first and 3 plus a 5 rounder to move up for Raji. A team like Jacksonville might be willing to do the Trade. I could also see the Broncos trading our 1 and 2 rounder to Bengals for their 6 round pick . The Broncos get their #1 need of Nose tackle in Raji. If the Broncos could add a player like Jason Taylor in free agency then I could see the Broncos trading up for Raji.

Jason Taylor just seems like a waste of money. if we were staying in a 4-3 permanently and he could play his natural DE spot only, then i would be for bringing him in, but i do not want to pay a good pass rushing DE the huge sum they will want, for them to have to come in and play a different position and have to learn the new position. it's the same reason i have been against Peppers all offseason.

also, with trading our 1st, a 3rd and a 5th for Raji, that is way too high of a price for a guy who seems he would be of more use in a 4-3 allignment than he will be as a 3-4 NT.

if anything, i say trade back a few spots pick up an extra 2nd and get Brace in the 2nd.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-08-2009, 05:01 PM

No, I would not throw out the entire draft for one NT.

SportinOne · 03-08-2009, 05:01 PM

I agree. When you say, "A team like Jacksonville," if you are implying that they could use the extra draft picks then, well, we are also a team like Jacksonville. I would love to grab Luga at 12 if he is there, otherwise definitely move down and get the extra guys. We just need to find the biggest guy we can and put him at NT. A one trick pony. He needs only to be able to be fat. That's it. Get him in the fourth or fifth and upgrade LB, DE, CB, or S for the rest of the draft. Unless another guy like Matt Cassell becomes available at a good spot. Quarterbacks with less talent are always better.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-08-2009, 05:05 PM

Our defense had a lack of decent scheme and a lack of talent and depth. If all we needed was a single NT to turn our defense into a top 5 unit, then of course, trade some picks and get that guy. We need more than Raji, so no, dont do it.

extralife · 03-08-2009, 05:13 PM

I'd much rather trade down than up, and if there's one good thing about the All Mighty Patriot Way that I'm sure Coach Kid will adhere to, it's that it agrees.

TheDave · 03-08-2009, 05:15 PM

We can't afford to trade up for anyone... we just have too many needs.

Taco John · 03-08-2009, 05:17 PM

No. We have way too many needs to fill, and need as many bodies as possible to fill them.

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03-08-2009, 02:35 PM	#1
Elway777 Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,886	Trading up for Raji Would you trade our first and 3 plus a 5 rounder to move up for Raji. A team like Jacksonville might be willing to do the Trade. I could also see the Broncos trading our 1 and 2 rounder to Bengals for their 6 round pick . The Broncos get their #1 need of Nose tackle in Raji. If the Broncos could add a player like Jason Taylor in free agency then I could see the Broncos trading up for Raji.

03-08-2009, 02:42 PM	#2
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	depends...if hes there at 8-9 yes but i wouldnt try to move up too far to get him.

03-08-2009, 02:43 PM	#3
PRBronco FML less Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,206 Adopt-a-Bronco: I'm so alone	No, I've read more than report suggesting Raji, despite appearances, isn't ideal as a nose tackle, and is more suited to a 4 man front.

03-08-2009, 02:48 PM	#4
GoBroncos84 Perennial Pro-bowler Crucify the Ego Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 758 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	No thanks. If Raji falls to us, then ok. I don't want to trade up for him. I'd rather stay put and take Jackson or Maualuga at 12 and use the other picks.

03-08-2009, 02:59 PM	#5
ANIMAL24 THE SATISFIER LETS GO DRAFT Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: LONG BEACH Posts: 216 Adopt-a-Bronco: DARIUS WATTS	no

03-08-2009, 03:00 PM	#6
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,269 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	No I wouldn't because NT's in a 3-4 can be found later in the draft. Broncos need guys on defense that can make plays and NT's in a 3-4 are generally facing double teams, so they aren't usually going to be making a lot of plays. They help others make plays, but right now, the Broncos don't have the guys to make any big plays right now.

03-08-2009, 03:02 PM	#7
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	I just don't know enough about him. Haven't seen him play outside of a few videos. If he's a true NT prospect and falls in the can't-miss categor (see Clady)... then there's no question you trade up. Our entire defense is predicated on three big bastards that can control the LOS. But, it sure seems to me like there will be some good value there at 12, or even trading down a few spots and taking one of the USC LBs is an option.

03-08-2009, 03:05 PM	#8
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	Does anyone think he'd make a good 3-4 end?

03-08-2009, 03:09 PM	#9
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	no...we're are sitting at a good spot at 12... somebody really good will likely fall to us, giving us the option to either draft him (if he's a defensive player) or listen to offers from teams wanting to acquire our pick (if he's an offensive player such as Crabtree or Sanchez)...

03-08-2009, 03:10 PM	#10
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,606 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	There will be good defensive talent at #12 for Denver. They should be interested in trading down if that's possible.

03-08-2009, 03:40 PM	#12
UberBroncoMan Your Local Nostradamus 2013... the year of Sci-Fi! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,529 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	Nah... I'd rather us have our picks. Plus Ron Brace could be just as good if not better at NT and we could get him by trading down out 1st and picking up an extra 2nd. Raji was a penetration DT that relied on Brace taking up lots of people... it just so happens taking up blockers is something that a NT must be good at.

03-08-2009, 03:41 PM	#13
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	im in the "BPA on defense, trade down if offensive player falls" school of thought right now...

03-08-2009, 04:12 PM	#14
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,854	The Broncos need every pick they can get. If anything, they should trade down and get value picks in the second round.

03-08-2009, 04:15 PM	#15
Needa Pass Rush Never say Always Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,211	I don't know... I watched a fair number of BC Eagle games this year. I think you could make the argument to stay at 12 (or trade down) and take BPA and look at Raji's teammate at BC, Ron Brace in the second or third. I think Brace could be the better NT prospect.

03-08-2009, 04:17 PM	#16
broncofan7 AKA "THE STANDARD" BQ looks ALMOST as good as I do Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BIG D Posts: 6,022	No.

03-08-2009, 04:25 PM	#17
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,574 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	No.

03-08-2009, 04:29 PM	#18
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Don't buy into the huge pre draft hype. Raji might indeed make a very good NFL NT, but that's not his natural position. He would do much better being a standout 4-3 DT (but we might be running a hybrid for the next couple years). He would be a very good pick at #12, but not worth trading picks for. Now, if we could trade a player like Scheffler to move up and snag him, that might be worth it. It's my opinion that any of this year's NT's will take a year or two to develop, so we might as well just take some of the bigger DT's available in rounds 2-5. There is good talent at LB for the #12 pick - I mean instant starter material. You can't pass on an instant starting LB, they usually do well their rookie year. Stay put, or trade down.

03-08-2009, 05:01 PM	#20
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	No, I would not throw out the entire draft for one NT.

03-08-2009, 05:01 PM	#21
SportinOne Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,422	I agree. When you say, "A team like Jacksonville," if you are implying that they could use the extra draft picks then, well, we are also a team like Jacksonville. I would love to grab Luga at 12 if he is there, otherwise definitely move down and get the extra guys. We just need to find the biggest guy we can and put him at NT. A one trick pony. He needs only to be able to be fat. That's it. Get him in the fourth or fifth and upgrade LB, DE, CB, or S for the rest of the draft. Unless another guy like Matt Cassell becomes available at a good spot. Quarterbacks with less talent are always better.

03-08-2009, 05:05 PM	#22
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Our defense had a lack of decent scheme and a lack of talent and depth. If all we needed was a single NT to turn our defense into a top 5 unit, then of course, trade some picks and get that guy. We need more than Raji, so no, dont do it.

03-08-2009, 05:13 PM	#23
extralife Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,917	I'd much rather trade down than up, and if there's one good thing about the All Mighty Patriot Way that I'm sure Coach Kid will adhere to, it's that it agrees.

03-08-2009, 05:15 PM	#24
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	We can't afford to trade up for anyone... we just have too many needs.

03-08-2009, 05:17 PM	#25
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	No. We have way too many needs to fill, and need as many bodies as possible to fill them.