Extending Cutler now. - The Orange Mane

Pseudofool · 03-07-2009, 01:22 PM

Burger-and-fries Bill suggested in his quaint (by that I mean largely dumb) article that Denver should extend Cutler now. (Discuss that article in particular here).

I'm curious what the mane thinks of this as a means of mending some fences. What will it cost? Is it even remotely realistic? How far would it go to repairing the relationship between Cutler and the Front Office?

(Poll coming.)

TheDave · 03-07-2009, 01:34 PM

Bad idea, we have no idea how he is going to work in this system...

NFLBRONCO · 03-07-2009, 01:35 PM

I voted Yes

It proves your backing up your no trade stance to Cutler words won't do it now.

thumpc · 03-07-2009, 01:37 PM

Jay can improve his value with a winning season and five fewer ints.

BlaK-Argentina · 03-07-2009, 01:40 PM

If he plays well this season, extend him. Right now I wouldn't.

ludo21 · 03-07-2009, 01:42 PM

Jay needs to prove he can play in this system first, and win games to deserve an extension.

If we make the playoffs this year or he plays like he did last year then extend him.

GreatBronco16 · 03-07-2009, 01:53 PM

Do you guys seriously think that Cutler can't play in McDs system as good if not better than Cassel did?

I don't think Cutler will have a problem with the system.

theAPAOps5 · 03-07-2009, 01:59 PM

So we should reward him for being a whiney baby?

Ironlung · 03-07-2009, 02:12 PM

Isn't Cutler the one who has been working with Mc since the Pro Bowl on learning the new system? On HIS free time? Then almost gets shipped outta town for his troubles?

But he's a baby? We should reward him for not tellin' Mc to eat **** and die, and tellin' McDouche to have fun with Chris Sims.

azbroncfan · 03-07-2009, 02:12 PM

I say do it as long as there is a anti-crybaby clause in it or a keep your mouth shut on every little issue clause.

Hogan11 · 03-07-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Bad idea, we have no idea how he is going to work in this system...

Agreed, No one should be extended until they prove themselves adaptable to the new Regime's system.

Dedhed · 03-07-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatBronco16

Do you guys seriously think that Cutler can't play in McDs system as good if not better than Cassel did?

I don't think Cutler will have a problem with the system.

I don't think he'll have a problem with the system either, but he does need to prove that he can be the leader of this football team.

To me there are some serious questions that have arisen regarding whether Cutler is coachable. Before I extended his contract he would need to prove that he can handle all the responsibilities of a franchise QB.

And on a simply pragmatic note we should wait until we know whether there's going to be a salary cap in the future.

SoCalBronco · 03-07-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hogan11

Agreed, No one should be extended until they prove themselves adaptable to the new Regime's system.

This illustrates the apparently unending dumbassery of this regime. The smart coach is the one that adapts his style and system to his players, not imposes something from some ivory tower. This is why its also stupid for them to be shopping Scheffler. He's a near pro bowl quality recieving tight end. If the Patriots offense doesn't really utilize recieving tight ends then the answer is to change the Patriots offense accordingly. McDaniels does not have a monopoly on wisdom. He's just a 32 year old kid. That's all he is. That he's insisting on a square peg when he might have some round holes illustrates his immaturity and stupidity and lack of basic competence.

CBF1 · 03-07-2009, 02:24 PM

Stop with this 32 year kid crap. Where was Bill Gates at 32. Next

Hogan11 · 03-07-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

This illustrates the apparently unending dumbassery of this regime. The smart coach is the one that adapts his style and system to his players, not imposes something from some ivory tower. This is why its also stupid for them to be shopping Scheffler. He's a near pro bowl quality recieving tight end. If the Patriots offense doesn't really utilize recieving tight ends then the answer is to change the Patriots offense accordingly. McDaniels does not have a monopoly on wisdom. He's just a 32 year old kid. That's all he is. That he's insisting on a square peg when he might have some round holes illustrates his immaturity and stupidity and lack of basic competence.

It's clear it's going to be the Patriot Way or the HWY under McDaniels. Stupid or not, that's just the way of it. The onus to adapt and change is on the players, not the coach and his schemes.

elsid13 · 03-07-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AtH2O-27

Isn't Cutler the one who has been working with Mc since the Pro Bowl on learning the new system? On HIS free time? Then almost gets shipped outta town for his troubles?

But he's a baby? We should reward him for not tellin' Mc to eat **** and die, and tellin' McDouche to have fun with Chris Sims.

Yes Culter was coming in to learn the system and hang with the new coaching staff on his own time.

spdirty · 03-07-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

So we should reward him for being a whiney baby?

yes.

SoCalBronco · 03-07-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Yes Culter was coming in to learn the system and hang with the new coaching staff on his own time.

He does deserve some blame, though, for being naive. He should have known better than to make a good faith attempt to work with snakes. They're snakes for a reason.

elsid13 · 03-07-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogan11

It's clear it's going to be the Patriot Way or the HWY under McDaniels. Stupid or not, that's just the way of it. The onus to adapt and change is on the players, not the coach and his schemes.

Actually the OC and position coaches should be one telling the Head Coach, what if we do this instead. Right now it seem McKid is only listening to himself and Kidd.

theAPAOps5 · 03-07-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

yes.

Then thats just sad. Eh well this poll accurately reflects the general trend of this board.

telluride · 03-07-2009, 02:27 PM

As much as I like Cutler, there are too many warning flags to merit an extension:

1. His health. I actually think that his diabetes causes more problems for him during games than is acknowledged. And diabetes-related health issues only deepen over time.

2. His immaturity. He's not a rookie any longer. And yet he pouts and sulks and whines like one. (And apparently parties like one.) He needs to show that he's a leader on the field and off.

3. His decision making in games. Again, he's not a rookie. Yet he makes too many rookie mistakes, particularly in the Red Zone.

4. His ego. It's entirely too big, given what he's accomplished in the league thus far. A little humility would serve him well.

This is shaping up to be a make-or-break year for Jay. If he grows up and plays well and manages his health and wins, then he'll put himself in a position for a nice contract extension. If not, he'll be gone next season. And deservedly so.

theAPAOps5 · 03-07-2009, 02:29 PM

No Telluride its the snakes that are making you think that way. Jay is a victim in this whole mess,

elsid13 · 03-07-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

He does deserve some blame, though, for being naive. He should have known better than to make a good faith attempt to work with snakes. They're snakes for a reason.

I know folks are blaming Cutler, but when Stokely comes out and bash them for releasing Leach, it tells you something about our new coach and how he operates.

If the rest of the Belicheat ex-coach act this way, no wonder they are failures.

Broncojef · 03-07-2009, 02:34 PM

I'd give Cutler a year in "the system" to see how it goes. If he is on the right track and performing reward him, if not we still have a couple years to find the right fit and get some trade value. To this point jay has shown the skills and upside to be the quarterback we need long term but certainly not the leadership or mental stability needed in that position.

SoCalBronco · 03-07-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

I know folks are blaming Cutler, but when Stokely comes out and bash them for releasing Leach, it tells you something about our new coach and how he operates.

If the rest of the Belicheat ex-coach act this way, no wonder they are failures.

Perhaps that's what Pat needs to realize what he threw away. Perhaps he needs to feel what real failure feels like, not .500 failure. REAL failure.

Maybe that's what he really needs.

Well...."that" and a clinic.

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03-07-2009, 01:22 PM	#1
Pseudofool Cynic at Large Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Kingdom of Solipsism Posts: 2,893 Adopt-a-Bronco: Me?	Extending Cutler now. Burger-and-fries Bill suggested in his quaint (by that I mean largely dumb) article that Denver should extend Cutler now. (Discuss that article in particular here). I'm curious what the mane thinks of this as a means of mending some fences. What will it cost? Is it even remotely realistic? How far would it go to repairing the relationship between Cutler and the Front Office? (Poll coming.)

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03-07-2009, 01:34 PM	#2
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Bad idea, we have no idea how he is going to work in this system...

03-07-2009, 01:35 PM	#3
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,420	I voted Yes It proves your backing up your no trade stance to Cutler words won't do it now.

03-07-2009, 01:37 PM	#4
thumpc Pro Bowler Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Future Posts: 749 Adopt-a-Bronco: Richard Quinn	Jay can improve his value with a winning season and five fewer ints.

03-07-2009, 01:40 PM	#5
BlaK-Argentina Pampita says... ... support your team! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mar del Plata, Argentina. Posts: 5,174 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	If he plays well this season, extend him. Right now I wouldn't.

03-07-2009, 01:42 PM	#6
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Jay needs to prove he can play in this system first, and win games to deserve an extension. If we make the playoffs this year or he plays like he did last year then extend him.

03-07-2009, 01:53 PM	#7
GreatBronco16 !!!TEAM!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bama Baby Posts: 5,859 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Defense	Do you guys seriously think that Cutler can't play in McDs system as good if not better than Cassel did? I don't think Cutler will have a problem with the system.

03-07-2009, 01:59 PM	#8
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,114 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	So we should reward him for being a whiney baby?

03-07-2009, 02:12 PM	#9
Ironlung Terminator Snake Bitten Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 891	Isn't Cutler the one who has been working with Mc since the Pro Bowl on learning the new system? On HIS free time? Then almost gets shipped outta town for his troubles? But he's a baby? We should reward him for not tellin' Mc to eat **** and die, and tellin' McDouche to have fun with Chris Sims.

03-07-2009, 02:12 PM	#10
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	I say do it as long as there is a anti-crybaby clause in it or a keep your mouth shut on every little issue clause.

03-07-2009, 02:24 PM	#14
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,943 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	Stop with this 32 year kid crap. Where was Bill Gates at 32. Next

03-07-2009, 02:27 PM	#21
telluride Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,557 Adopt-a-Bronco: --Rulon!--	As much as I like Cutler, there are too many warning flags to merit an extension: 1. His health. I actually think that his diabetes causes more problems for him during games than is acknowledged. And diabetes-related health issues only deepen over time. 2. His immaturity. He's not a rookie any longer. And yet he pouts and sulks and whines like one. (And apparently parties like one.) He needs to show that he's a leader on the field and off. 3. His decision making in games. Again, he's not a rookie. Yet he makes too many rookie mistakes, particularly in the Red Zone. 4. His ego. It's entirely too big, given what he's accomplished in the league thus far. A little humility would serve him well. This is shaping up to be a make-or-break year for Jay. If he grows up and plays well and manages his health and wins, then he'll put himself in a position for a nice contract extension. If not, he'll be gone next season. And deservedly so.

03-07-2009, 02:29 PM	#22
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,114 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	No Telluride its the snakes that are making you think that way. Jay is a victim in this whole mess,

03-07-2009, 02:34 PM	#24
Broncojef Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Great White North Posts: 3,023	I'd give Cutler a year in "the system" to see how it goes. If he is on the right track and performing reward him, if not we still have a couple years to find the right fit and get some trade value. To this point jay has shown the skills and upside to be the quarterback we need long term but certainly not the leadership or mental stability needed in that position.