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Old 03-05-2009, 10:35 AM   #1
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Default Is there such a thing as Cutler throwing too few INTs?

Is there such a thing as Jay throwing too few interceptions? Lets say Jay only throws 2 INTs. Would that mean he is not being aggressive enough and taking advantage of his talent? Obviously, you want him to be aggressive (to take advantage of his talent) and also to throw minimal INTs. What # of INTs would an acceptable number that would reflect both being aggressive and making minimal mistakes?
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:37 AM   #2
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10-13 i think would do... Just look at Brady and Mannings INT the last few years
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Too many variables to put a hard number on it....you have to account for tipped balls and balls that go through receivers' hands, neither of which are necessarily the fault of the QB or the result of being "too aggressive."
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Too many variables to put a hard number on it....you have to account for tipped balls and balls that go through receivers' hands, neither of which are necessarily the fault of the QB or the result of being "too aggressive."

Granted , its possible he could throw a deceptive number of INTs because of balls that were tipped and not caught by his own WRs. But you have this season as a reference point. So based on that make a ceteris paribus assumption.
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I just don't know if Cutler has it in him NOT to make mistakes. Many people point out that Cutler HAD to take chances because of our defense, but the same people forget that Cutler threw a bunch of ints in the first half when our D was playing relatively well and we were either in the lead or tied.

The only thing that concerns me is when Cutler has a bad int first half, it never gets better in the second half.

And forget the D for a second. How can you make some of the crazy, hairpin passes that he likes to throw. You just can't fit the ball into tight spaces like that without getting burned regularly.

Its almost as if Cutler gets a hard on when he completes a ridiculous pass that shows off his arm strength. He knows the commentators are going crazy saying things like, "Only Cutler can make a pass like that! What a gun on that kid!"

And you guys have to remember, everyone was all over Culter's ass during the season for missing wide open receivers and focusing on Marshall so much.

It's decision making with this guy. That's his only issue. I truly hope he learns to read defenses better, take the sure play instead of the insane play, and keep us in ball games instead of taking us out of it as he sometimes tends to do.

A QB that turns the ball over a lot is just as bad as a terrible defense, imo.
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Remember Jay's good for 4 or 5 fubles a year as well.
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70 touchdowns and 1 int would not be enough of him taking advantage of his talent.
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I just don't know if Cutler has it in him NOT to make mistakes. Many people point out that Cutler HAD to take chances because of our defense, but the same people forget that Cutler threw a bunch of ints in the first half when our D was playing relatively well and we were either in the lead or tied.

The only thing that concerns me is when Cutler has a bad int first half, it never gets better in the second half.

And forget the D for a second. How can you make some of the crazy, hairpin passes that he likes to throw. You just can't fit the ball into tight spaces like that without getting burned regularly.

Its almost as if Cutler gets a hard on when he completes a ridiculous pass that shows off his arm strength. He knows the commentators are going crazy saying things like, "Only Cutler can make a pass like that! What a gun on that kid!"

And you guys have to remember, everyone was all over Culter's ass during the season for missing wide open receivers and focusing on Marshall so much.

It's decision making with this guy. That's his only issue. I truly hope he learns to read defenses better, take the sure play instead of the insane play, and keep us in ball games instead of taking us out of it as he sometimes tends to do.

A QB that turns the ball over a lot is just as bad as a terrible defense, imo.
I agree with everything you said. But it seems where a lot of QBs are groomed with the idea in mind that they are to minimize mistakes, it seems that Cutler has had more freedom to explore his limits...to learn the hard way. And thats kind of the premise. Cutler is walking back from being aggressive and throwing his share of INTs to still being aggressive but tempering his INTs. Most QBs, it seems, arent allowed to go in the deepend the way Jay has been. Its a reflection of the faith Shanahan had in his talent I think. It says a lot about Shanahans belief in Cutler considering he was coming off of another mistake prone QB in Plummer.

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Old 03-05-2009, 11:23 AM   #12
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give me around a 2-1 ratio of TD's to INT's and i am fine with it
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This is a retarded question.
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Nope only thing is either to many picks, or not enough TDS. There is no such thing as too few of interceptions.

Cutlers main problem has been turnovers that can be avoided. Sure when game on line, down to last play, you force ball and hope for the best. Cutler however seems to have that mentality on 3rd down in the 1st quarter.

He throws picks at the worst times and just needs to get smarter when it comes to ball control. I'm sure some if it is not trusting the defense to stop anyone, but some if it is carelessness.
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Nope only thing is either to many picks, or not enough TDS. There is no such thing as too few of interceptions.

Cutlers main problem has been turnovers that can be avoided. Sure when game on line, down to last play, you force ball and hope for the best. Cutler however seems to have that mentality on 3rd down in the 1st quarter.

He throws picks at the worst times and just needs to get smarter when it comes to ball control. I'm sure some if it is not trusting the defense to stop anyone, but some if it is carelessness.
OK, but what would a good number be if he cuts down on the mistakes your talking about?
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It's a very retarded question based on bad logic. Throwing INTs isn't a requirement to be agressive. If there were only 5 deep balls open all year, I'd prefer he only throw 5 deep balls. The passing game is just as lethal or moreso by knowing how to find the open guy. The intermediate and deep opportunities will present themselves based on playcalling, ability, and chance. There's almost ALWAYS somebody open on a given play. I'd prefer he take what the defense gives him (which isn't always just checking down), siezed the opportunities for bigger plays, and didn't force a dang thing.
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It's a very retarded question based on bad logic. Throwing INTs isn't a requirement to be agressive. If there were only 5 deep balls open all year, I'd prefer he only throw 5 deep balls. The passing game is just as lethal or moreso by knowing how to find the open guy. The intermediate and deep opportunities will present themselves based on playcalling, ability, and chance. There's almost ALWAYS somebody open on a given play. I'd prefer he take what the defense gives him (which isn't always just checking down), siezed the opportunities for bigger plays, and didn't force a dang thing.

Its not really a retarded question. Anyone can do what youre describing. What youre describing doesnt take advantage of his talent though. BTW, youre response was erroneous in that he actually doesnt throw the deep ball that much.
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Usually, he's throwing INTs when he's frustrated and trying to force it into traffic. That's a problem...
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Its not really a retarded question. Anyone can do what youre describing. What youre describing doesnt take advantage of his talent though. BTW, youre response was erroneous in that he actually doesnt throw the deep ball that much.
Anyone can hit the deep balls when they're open and can make the most of what's given to him on any given play and not throw INTs?

Trade Cutler for a conditional 7th, sign this Anyone!!!

Cutler's talent is his strong arm and his mobility. Neither requires regularly throwing INTs to capitalize on. They'll happen but if he got single digit INTs, there'd be no reason to complain.
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Kurt Warner won a MVP throwing 22 interceptions in a season. Does that help?
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Its relative, IMO. The TD/INT ratio is a good indicator of what type of impact that those mistakes are having over the course of a player's yearly performance.

Picks are fine as long as they arent killing momentum, costing the game, or leading to insurmountable deficits.

A player has to know when to press and when to let the game come to them.
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:35 PM   #24
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an INT is a mistake...how many mistakes do you want him to make?


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I think McDaniels WILL fix this problem of Jay's, assuming they're both still in Denver. MickeyD loves throwing to the RBs. He will instill the value of that in Jay. You rarely throw INTs when dumping off to your checkdown, so I feel like Jay's INT's shoudl go way down this season.
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