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Old 03-04-2009, 04:06 PM   #1
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I know McDaniels isn't the most popular guy in Denver right now, but someone has to give props to him and Xanders regardless of the Cutler ordeal. If that situation turns out to be ok, which it should be, even more props.

What I can't help but feel is the signings of all these players. It's NOT the same signings we usually see with Shanny.

We cut guys that needed to be cut. We are not longer trying to make players suck work; we are now getting players that work.

We've been the most active team, and it shows we're on a mission.

Knowing what McDaniels did with Cassell and Brady... I can't help but see some huge games later this year.

I'm more excited than ever.

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Old 03-04-2009, 04:14 PM   #2
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I don't understand the excitement coming out of people who were glad to see Shanahan gone. I know that I'm going to be painted as anti-Josh, which I'm not, but I can live with being painted as such - it doesn't matter to me what people think about whether I like Coach Josh or not.

But so far, we've seen the same kind of Shanahan signings. We haven't addressed the defense really - at least not in any substantial way that would part ways with how it might have been done under Shanahan. We still haven't brought in a defensive end. We're still short on linebackers. We brought in Lynch 2.0 (a signing which I love, but isn't going to help our pass rush).

I don't feel anything yet, except hope that maybe a Defensive end falls in our lap. Certainly I don't see anything that would warrant major praise at this point, and signal a huge departure from the past.
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I wasn't feeling it until we made that huge long snapper signing.

Where's the defense?
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i agree with TJ, none of the signings are really going to put us over the top. We'll have to wait and see, we should be better then last year atleaset with our safeties aloen which were horrible.
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The difference is that we are not giving HUGE contracts to questionable charactors like we used to. This could just be getting us ready for a huge defensive draft.
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I don't understand the excitement coming out of people who were glad to see Shanahan gone. I know that I'm going to be painted as anti-Josh, which I'm not, but I can live with being painted as such - it doesn't matter to me what people think about whether I like Coach Josh or not.

But so far, we've seen the same kind of Shanahan signings. We haven't addressed the defense really - at least not in any substantial way that would part ways with how it might have been done under Shanahan. We still haven't brought in a defensive end. We're still short on linebackers. We brought in Lynch 2.0 (a signing which I love, but isn't going to help our pass rush).

I don't feel anything yet, except hope that maybe a Defensive end falls in our lap. Certainly I don't see anything that would warrant major praise at this point, and signal a huge departure from the past.

Yet if it Shanny making these type moves you would be on your knees and demanding your sheep to follow.

Just like with Plummer, you will be lurking in the background waiting for the first shoe to drop and start your "I told you so" rants...
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I know McDaniels isn't the most popular guy in Denver right now, but someone has to give props to him and Xanders regardless of the Cutler ordeal. If that situation turns out to be ok, which it should be, even more props.

What I can't help but feel is the signings of all these players. It's the same signings we usually see with Shanny.

We've been the most active team, and it shows we're on a mission.

Knowing what McDaniels did with Cassell and Brady... I can't help but see some huge games later this year.

I'm more excited than ever.

I'm not feeling it. Denver is signing old average players that cost more than the average players Denver let go.
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Old 03-04-2009, 04:23 PM   #8
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I don't understand the excitement coming out of people who were glad to see Shanahan gone. I know that I'm going to be painted as anti-Josh, which I'm not, but I can live with being painted as such - it doesn't matter to me what people think about whether I like Coach Josh or not.

But so far, we've seen the same kind of Shanahan signings. We haven't addressed the defense really - at least not in any substantial way that would part ways with how it might have been done under Shanahan. We still haven't brought in a defensive end. We're still short on linebackers. We brought in Lynch 2.0 (a signing which I love, but isn't going to help our pass rush).

I don't feel anything yet, except hope that maybe a Defensive end falls in our lap. Certainly I don't see anything that would warrant major praise at this point, and signal a huge departure from the past.
I disagree, McD is signing guys that have actually been productive at their positions, even if they aren't all stars. Not to mention guys that have good attitudes and a clean rap sheet. Shanny always thought you could make gold out of other teams trash, and when he did pursue a name it was a guy with questionable character (see, T. Henry, IHOP, Dale carter)
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I know McDaniels isn't the most popular guy in Denver right now, but someone has to give props to him and Xanders regardless of the Cutler ordeal. If that situation turns out to be ok, which it should be, even more props.

What I can't help but feel is the signings of all these players. It's the same signings we usually see with Shanny.

We've been the most active team, and it shows we're on a mission.

Knowing what McDaniels did with Cassell and Brady... I can't help but see some huge games later this year.

I'm more excited than ever.

unlike some of the negative nannies on here, i agree with you...

i'm excited as well...

i feel like we're moving in a good direction and that this team and FO is on a mission...

outside of the Cutler fiasco and the BMarsh goof, i'm very encouraged...

good thread...
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I don't understand the excitement coming out of people who were glad to see Shanahan gone. I know that I'm going to be painted as anti-Josh, which I'm not, but I can live with being painted as such - it doesn't matter to me what people think about whether I like Coach Josh or not.

But so far, we've seen the same kind of Shanahan signings. We haven't addressed the defense really - at least not in any substantial way that would part ways with how it might have been done under Shanahan. We still haven't brought in a defensive end. We're still short on linebackers. We brought in Lynch 2.0 (a signing which I love, but isn't going to help our pass rush).

I don't feel anything yet, except hope that maybe a Defensive end falls in our lap. Certainly I don't see anything that would warrant major praise at this point, and signal a huge departure from the past.


I think the biggest departure from Shanatactics that we've seen so far has been the blowing up of the defense. It's going to take a couple of seasons to build, but at least we're starting that task right away.

Sadly, McD is also blowing up an offense that, in my opinion, did not need widespread changes. Between cutting our TE depth, trying to shop Scheffler (and arguably Cutler), cutting Alridge, and the infamous LS-swap, McD has taken some missteps (again, in my estimation). I've seen the scoring and TO stats that some have brandied about in support of the changes that are supposedly necessary on offense, but I don't buy into them. We'll see though.

Can't believe how old our team has become in just a week and half.
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We still haven't brought in a defensive end.
I thought that's what Reid would be, unless he's just on Special Teams.
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Seeing alot of two year deals, which strikes me as the length of time McDaniels and Nolan figure they will need to assemble the pieces for a good defense, and by the time these contracts expire, rookies or younger fa's will be able to fill the void. Its a good direction to go.

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I don't understand the excitement coming out of people who were glad to see Shanahan gone. I know that I'm going to be painted as anti-Josh, which I'm not, but I can live with being painted as such - it doesn't matter to me what people think about whether I like Coach Josh or not.

But so far, we've seen the same kind of Shanahan signings. We haven't addressed the defense really - at least not in any substantial way that would part ways with how it might have been done under Shanahan. We still haven't brought in a defensive end. We're still short on linebackers. We brought in Lynch 2.0 (a signing which I love, but isn't going to help our pass rush).

I don't feel anything yet, except hope that maybe a Defensive end falls in our lap. Certainly I don't see anything that would warrant major praise at this point, and signal a huge departure from the past.
some of us, when presented with teh option of being either optimistic or pessimistic, will choose optimistic. why shouldnt we be? we cant control any of this at all, all we can do is watch and be entertained, and this offseason has been the most entertaining ive ever seen. no reason to be mad and pissed off because nothing has happened yet and all it will due is stress you out, not like you can change it.
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Yet if it Shanny making these type moves you would be on your knees and demanding your sheep to follow...

I shouldn't respond to you because from what I can tell, nobody actually cares what you have to say...

But not at all. I sure wasn't praising any of the defensive picks last year. I went into the season expecting 8-8, 9-7 at best, while others were predicting 10 or 11 wins. And even still, what impact does my opinion on Shanahan's signings have on what Josh is doing? You're the one glad to see Shanahan gone. What are you seeing so far that is such a huge departure?

Nothing so far. We're seeing a lot of tinkering. Switching the long snapper(), bringing in some warm bodies for defense, an aging but respectable veteran, and some warm bodies to play runningback.

This is business as usual.
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Age = Leadership

Someone posted (in an other thread) that Goodman is younger than Bly and Davis is the same age as last years starting MLB.

The only age added was Brian Dawkins...and this just...he's better than both scrubs signed last year.

The Older statement is beinf taken directly from the Denver Post.

As for blowing up the offense? Let's see He added 3 running backs, lord knows after last year you can't have too many of them! The he added a solid veteran wideout that knows the offense that he want's to install. He finally got a solid (younger) back up to Jay.

That's it so far! Where's the blow-up? Jay,Brandon,Stoke,Royal,Grahm, and the O-line (minus Casey) are still intact. So where is the blow up?

Shan-i-nites have to move on and let it go. Just like Lil Jay must.
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some of us, when presented with teh option of being either optimistic or pessimistic, will choose optimistic. why shouldnt we be? we cant control any of this at all, all we can do is watch and be entertained, and this offseason has been the most entertaining ive ever seen. no reason to be mad and pissed off because nothing has happened yet and all it will due is stress you out, not like you can change it.

I'm a natural optimist. I'm just not a homer. Being an optimist and being a homer aren't the same things.

I'm not pissed off at all. I want to see Coach Josh succeed. If it looks to me like he's bad for our team, though, and I lose confidence in him, I'm not going to hold my tongue. Just like I didn't expect anyone else to hold their tounge when they didn't like what was going on with Shanahan. I've been begged for years to ban HEAV and Wolf because people thought they were douche trolls. I didn't though, because I accepted that they had lost confidence in Shanahan and were sincere in their view points.

I'm just trying to understand from people who aren't known for just being blind homers what all the hub-bub is about right now.
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We still haven't brought in a defensive end. We're still short on linebackers.
Reid, Thomas, and Peterson are all probably DE's, and we're looking at Holliday and possibly Taylor and may not be done shopping. We brought in Davis at LB and may not be done shopping here either. I think most of our draft picks will address the D front 7 as well.

We've upgraded at S and CB on D and at RB, WR and backup QB on O. Anyone with half a clue can see that we have a better foundation for a team now than we did at the end of the season, and we're not done making improvements.

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I'm not feeling it. Denver is signing old average players that cost more than the average players Denver let go.
Is Cutler really 17 - 20 as a starter Atlas , and you sig just aint been updated ...
Or are you just going by 2 seasons of starts ? 32 games ...
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I'm a natural optimist. I'm just not a homer. Being an optimist and being a homer aren't the same things.

I'm not pissed off at all. I want to see Coach Josh succeed. If it looks to me like he's bad for our team, though, and I lose confidence in him, I'm not going to hold my tongue. Just like I didn't expect anyone else to hold their tounge when they didn't like what was going on with Shanahan. I've been begged for years to ban HEAV and Wolf because people thought they were douche trolls. I didn't though, because I accepted that they had lost confidence in Shanahan and were sincere in their view points.

I'm just trying to understand from people who aren't known for just being blind homers what all the hub-bub is about right now.
whats wrong with being a homer anyway? we all watch this game for entertainment, so thats what im gonna do, be entertained and HAVE FUN. if that means blindly believing that every year the team is going to the super bowl, whats wrong with that?
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[QUOTE=Taco John;2316751]I shouldn't respond to you because from what I can tell, nobody actually cares what you have to say...QUOTE]


But you responded anyway!


You game is lame. You always seem to think I give a **** about what anyone thinks of me...

But at the very least you finally unpluged the lite-bright and gave the site more juice (Sigs and avatars) so thanks for that.
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More like your circle-jerk crew...
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Is Cutler really 17 - 20 as a starter Atlas , and you sig just aint been updated ...
Or are you just going by 2 seasons of starts ? 32 games ...
It hasn't been updated. Cutler was 15-17 his first 32 starts. Elway was 22-10 his first 32 starts.

I believe Cutler is no better now. I believe now he is 17-19 as a starter.
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I'm a natural optimist. I'm just not a homer. Being an optimist and being a homer aren't the same things.

I'm not pissed off at all. I want to see Coach Josh succeed. If it looks to me like he's bad for our team, though, and I lose confidence in him, I'm not going to hold my tongue. Just like I didn't expect anyone else to hold their tounge when they didn't like what was going on with Shanahan. I've been begged for years to ban HEAV and Wolf because people thought they were douche trolls. I didn't though, because I accepted that they had lost confidence in Shanahan and were sincere in their view points.

I'm just trying to understand from people who aren't known for just being blind homers what all the hub-bub is about right now.

what would you have liked them to have done this offseason?...go after Haynesworth or one of the overpriced names?...

i don't follow your logic...you think it's just Broncos fans that think we're playing it smart right now?...

i look onto opposing AFC West rival forums and many of them feel we're having a great offseason...on NFL Total Access 2 of 4 panelist felt we have had the best offseason so far in terms of FA of any team in the NFL...

now what others think don't mean a whole lot but i just want to let you know that it isn't just "homers" that think that we're going about retooling this team quite effectively so far...
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I disagree, McD is signing guys that have actually been productive at their positions, even if they aren't all stars. Not to mention guys that have good attitudes and a clean rap sheet. Shanny always thought you could make gold out of other teams trash, and when he did pursue a name it was a guy with questionable character (see, T. Henry, IHOP, Dale carter)
Who is to say how productive McD's signing are going to be this year?

To compare one month of McD FA with years of Shanny signings is a little disingenuous. Dale Carter was signed when!?!

When McD was with the Pats they certainly didn't have a problem signing some players with issues.

You take calculated risks. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I am willing to bet that Josh will take a risk on a talented player with questionable characters before his term is done.

I do like the contract lengths they have gone for as Sirhcyennek said and I am optimistic that this D will get back on track.

They could hardly do worse than the last couple of years.

I wholeheartedly want Josh to succeed but I am not going to pull out the Champagne just yet.
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I wasn't feeling it until we made that huge long snapper signing.

Where's the defense?
I think you're underestimating the effect a long snapper can have. It's all fine and good to make fun of it. But wait until we have a full year without any snapping issues.

Like last year.

And the year before that.

Damn you, Mike Leach!
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