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Old 02-26-2009, 06:27 PM   #1
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Default Football Outsiders "Speed Score": Denver has THREE potentially elite RBs.

Football Outsiders has a good article on a metric they call the "speed score" which they explain in this article: http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-an...eed-score-2009

From the article: "Speed score (explained in detail in PFP 2008 and in this 2008 article) takes into account each player's 40 time and weight to produce a number scaled around 100; the average speed score for a drafted back is 102.4, a number which rises to 111.1 for backs taken in the first round. The formula -- (Weight x 200)/(40-yard^4) -- adjusts the minuscule differences in 40 times from player-to-player by accounting for the weight each player has to lug around on his 40-yard dash. The result is a metric that has a stronger correlation to NFL performance on a one-year, three-year or five-year stretch than any other combine drill, including the standard 40-yard dash.

Last year, speed score pegged Chris Johnson (121.9) as the best back in the class, with Darren McFadden (120.0) and Jonathan Stewart (116.7) shortly behind. It predicted Matt Forte' (109.7) to be a sleeper, while believing that Ray Rice (99.8), Kevin Smith (98.6) and Steve Slaton (96.9) would struggle. Speed score is certainly not a foolproof indicator, but as you can see from that level of performance, it can be a useful one."



Anyway, in case you were wondering, here are the speed scores of some RBs on Denver's roster:

Peyton Hillis (240 lbs., 4.57 s): 110.05

Andre Hall (208 lbs., 4.42 s): 108.99

Ryan Torain (222 lbs., 4.51 s): 107.32


Anthony Alridge [just for fun] (170 lbs., 4.33 s): 96.72

Selvin Young (207 lbs., 4.58 s): 94.09

According to this powerful metric, we have three RBs on our roster with the measurables commensurate with a first round pick.

I'm expecting big things out of Hillis, Torain, and Hall.

If only we can stay healthy...

Historical combine stats from:
http://900footballlinks.net/broncos.htm
http://900footballlinks.net/bucs.htm

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Old 02-26-2009, 06:34 PM   #2
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interesting...i usually get a lot out of Football Outsiders stuff

nice
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:34 PM   #3
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it's kinda funny how alot of people dont like hillis. their was a video of Hillis taking a run 65 yards against the LSU defense. and same thing with wells. same length of run same LSU defense. I think we got our Wells in Hillis.





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Old 02-26-2009, 06:42 PM   #4
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I think it would be a crying shame if Hillis wasnt given a legit shot at starter next season. He is a great runner and he plays with more heart than ive ever seen a pro play with.
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:52 PM   #5
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I think it would be a crying shame if Hillis wasnt given a legit shot at starter next season. He is a great runner and he plays with more heart than ive ever seen a pro play with.
yea, he was impressive...i was at the Jets game and in that weather, the way he ran, i was extremely impressed...he's the kind of guy that energizes an offense when he touches the ball and even when he's out there blocking and pumping guys up...GIVE HIM A SHOT
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:53 PM   #6
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I love Hillis...
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:23 PM   #7
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I liked Hillis as a FB in Shanahan's system, but his potential went through the roof when McDaniels came on board. He's the perfect back for a single back set that places a premium on either blocking or receiving on any given play.

McDaniels offense requires a back that can:
1-Catch the ball out of the backfield.
2-help in pass protection.
3-Pick up tough yards running the football.

Hillis's skill set matches up tremendously well with those requirements. He has amazing potential in this system.
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THe only game the Broncos seemed fired up...was the game Hillis played.
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I love hillis, but he's not even close to being an elite player.

throwing in hall and torrian's name into the mix does little support this statement
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I love hillis, but he's not even close to being an elite player.

throwing in hall and torrian's name into the mix does little support this statement
"Elite" was a strong word perhaps, but I'm allowed to sensationalize in the thread title a bit and I obviously didn't mean it in the HOF sense.

What it does mean, however, is that we have three RBs whose measurables are in the range of what you'd expect in the first round of the NFL draft. I promise you most teams do not have three RBs with speed scores like this.
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:56 PM   #11
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too bad Torain is made of glass, and Hall sucks. but at least we will have Hillis and the guy we draft
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I like that Hillis brings fire and grit to the field. He wants the ball and wants to pound somebody.

We need those types of players in a bad way.
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I love hillis, but he's not even close to being an elite player.

throwing in hall and torrian's name into the mix does little support this statement
how many "elite" players are there in the NFL? how many do the broncos have? so now the broncos RB must be "elite" to even be on the team?

he picks up the tough yards and has deceptive speed in the secondary. perfect match for single back/spread formation and he can receive with the best of them as well.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:15 PM   #14
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I love Hillis.

The idea that Hall or Torain are elite is pretty good for a laugh.
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how many "elite" players are there in the NFL? how many do the broncos have? so now the broncos RB must be "elite" to even be on the team?

he picks up the tough yards and has deceptive speed in the secondary. perfect match for single back/spread formation and he can receive with the best of them as well.
AP is "elite" pretty sure there won't be anyone mistaking Hillis and AP anytime soon.
Odds seem to good that Hillis could be a productive for us but I doubt he comes close to ever being "elite".
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:28 PM   #16
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Jesus Christ, drop the b****ing about the word "elite."

Clearly it's a bit of thread title sensationalism and I obviously don't mean it in the all-pro or HOF sense.

Moreover, they are elite (very high end) young RBs according to this specific metric, which is exactly what the thread title says, nothing less and certainly nothing more.
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Really, who doesn't like Hillis? Smack them folk over the head.

The guy is a stud. If McDaniels can do one very important thing with Jay, it's to teach him how to use the short passing game to improve his efficiency, open up the long ball and the running game.

If Jay can do that, Hillis could be a huge stud as a starting HB. With his hands and toughness, he could be a 1200 yd rusher with 400 or 500 yd receiving. That isn't anything to scoff at.
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AP is "elite" pretty sure there won't be anyone mistaking Hillis and AP anytime soon.
Odds seem to good that Hillis could be a productive for us but I doubt he comes close to ever being "elite".
thats exactly my point. we have a super productive RB who could be killer in the flats too, why is everyone so worried about replacing him?
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when they say elite it means in terms of size speed ratios for pro rbs. All these guys at this point are elite athletes it's just pro football is really hard.

People who haven't played football have no idea how hard it is to play it well. Those of us who played a little when we were kids have no idea what college ball is like let alone the pros.

What those numbers tell me is if healthy Torrain has a shot to compete, Hillis as well.

With Hall I sort of thought when I watched him he seemed a little stiff and lacked wiggle but I guess him as well.

IMO though Broncos would still be wise to keep with the theory of adding a young runner every yr or even looking for a more proven one like Ward.

I think though everyone can agree Hillis has a spot on the team whether or not he's the every down RB. Torrain and Hall I'm not so sure about but maybe.

One thing though...Rbs in Mcdaniels system catch a lot of balls. Hillis has proven he does that well. Hall and Torain? Did they do that well in college? I don't follow college enough to know so i will leave that to someone else.

I do know Pats churned out about 1000 yrds a yr in recieving yrdage to RBS.
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thats exactly my point. we have a super productive RB who could be killer in the flats too, why is everyone so worried about replacing him?
One thing I liked when Hillis was playing, and Graham started to be part of the passing game, was how physical Broncos looked. With Marshall dwarfing dback, Graham like a running olineman, and Hillis running into people full speed head down, Broncos were scary big.
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Maybe with the new regime guys will actually play their designed position. I'm tired of seeing TE's converted to OT etc. Hillis is the only FB I'm excited about. Say what you want about Hall and Torrain but they come up way short on any serious starting RB talk for me. Do me a favor McD if they are first round talent please trade them now and bring in someone who can play the entire season, be durable and consistent.
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THe only game the Broncos seemed fired up...was the game Hillis played.

The only?

As I recall, he energized every game he started in, from Miami on.
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thats exactly my point. we have a super productive RB who could be killer in the flats too, why is everyone so worried about replacing him?
Because its possible that he won't be good.
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One more note, looking at the 2009 scores, Peyton is better then any RB in the draft this year. He's got a better RB coach, and "the best hand I have ever seen" according to the man formally known as Goodman.

Shanahan underutilized him. I don't think McDaniels will make the same mistake.
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Because its possible that he won't be good.
he has ALREADY been good, you think hes gonna get worse?

he came in after 1 week of practicing at RB and killed it for 5 weeks (not so much oakland because bates was too busy playing madden ball, but still)

after an entire offseason hes gonna be damn good.
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