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Old 02-22-2009, 07:49 AM   #1
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There's no way you can get a guy like that in the draft this year. BJ Raji is the closest thing to him but he's not that good against the run, probably a better pass rusher though. And he's a gamble. Why spend a top 10 or top 15 pick on a guy like that when you can get Watson for a mid-late 2nd round pick.

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Old 02-22-2009, 08:01 AM   #2
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I think it'll depend on the tender. If he's tendered very high, we may be better off going with Grady Jackson and/or Ronald Fields.
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I have watched alot of cards games this year and I would love Watson if we could get him.
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Grady Jackson's barely 300, isn't he? And he's really old. I'd much rather have Watson.
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They're similar quality players, but UFA Grady Jackson is a lot older than RFA Gabe Watson, so he won't be demanding a long contract like Gabe will.

Plus if we do draft two NTs like I'm hoping (Raji or Brace and then Dorrell later), we'll need a veteran stop-gap for only a couple years, making the much older Grady Jackson preferable to Gabe Watson. Plus no compensation is required for UFA Grady. Jackson is preferable to Gabe in almost every way.
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:35 AM   #6
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Grady Jackson's barely 300, isn't he? And he's really old. I'd much rather have Watson.
Read my post after yours ... yes, Grady is much older. But wouldn't you rather draft Ron Brace and Dorrell Scott, and thus have home grown, less expensive players ... to be mentored by solid older guy like Grady for a couple years?

Couple of corrections: BOTH Grady and Gabe are UFAs, both are 340-345 pounds, and the older Grady Jackson is actually ranked markedly higher than Gabe Watson on all the FA value lists.
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And if we can't draft Ron Brace or Dorrell Scott?
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And if we can't draft Ron Brace or Dorrell Scott?
I dunno, those are just 2nd and 4th round guys - Brace and Scott - that seems doable for an important position that we have NOBODY in right now. Plus, I'm coming from the opinion we should use all 8 draft picks on defense. Maybe one pick on a high-value mid-round C/G, but that's it.

Our current roster is the most unbalanced offense-to-defense talent distribution I have ever seen in my life.
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Buff I agree that we should use most of our picks on D but I do believe that we could afford to grab a C and a RB in this draft I love Rashard Jennings out of liberty and he should be there in the middle rounds. as far as a C goes I like Unger over Mack or Woods but any of them would be nice.
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Buff I agree that we should use most of our picks on D but I do believe that we could afford to grab a C and a RB in this draft I love Rashard Jennings out of liberty and he should be there in the middle rounds. as far as a C goes I like Unger over Mack or Woods but any of them would be nice.
Look at it this way:

On Offense: We have 10 + 4 (starters and part-time players) set in stone now
On Defense: We have 6 guys total, three of whom were rookies. We could literally waive every single other defensive player.
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Buff I agree that we should use most of our picks on D but I do believe that we could afford to grab a C and a RB in this draft I love Rashard Jennings out of liberty and he should be there in the middle rounds. as far as a C goes I like Unger over Mack or Woods but any of them would be nice.
NFL Draft Scout has Rashard Jennings as a 2nd round pick now.

I doubt he's available in the 3rd round.
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Keep an eye on Ron Fields from SF, an up-and coming NT who played under Nolan. He may be cheaper than both Watson and Jackson although I'd love to land 2 of the 3 and then draft a NT to develop.
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Our current roster is the most unbalanced offense-to-defense talent distribution I have ever seen in my life.
That's why we have a new staff in town.

I think this is a decent idea (Watson)... but I have a feeling Arizona would match any offer. I can't imagine they let him get away.
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Read my post after yours ... yes, Grady is much older. But wouldn't you rather draft Ron Brace and Dorrell Scott, and thus have home grown, less expensive players ... to be mentored by solid older guy like Grady for a couple years?

Couple of corrections: BOTH Grady and Gabe are UFAs, both are 340-345 pounds, and the older Grady Jackson is actually ranked markedly higher than Gabe Watson on all the FA value lists.
Jackson? Ranked higher?
Thats like having Ramsey ranked higher than Cutler.

And again, Watson is NOT an UFA. He's a RFA.
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He not going anywhere. Denver will not give up draft choices for a guy that has so-so rep for working hard.
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3-4 Nose Tackle for the Cardinals. He'll be a restricted free agent this season and we could get him for a 4th round pick (unlikely) or a 2nd round pick if the Cardinals don't put a higher tender on him which i don't believe they will. He's a perfect 3-4 NT and one of the best run stuffers in the league, i would put him right up there with Casey Hampton or Vince Wilfork. He's not a great pass rusher (neither are the other guys) but he can get after the QB (had a strip-sack this season). His official weight is around 340 but i read somewhere that he's closer to 400lbs so he's THE perfect NT. McDaniels had a guy like that in NE, i'm sure he would love to have him in Denver as well to set the tone for our run defense.

There's no way you can get a guy like that in the draft this year. BJ Raji is the closest thing to him but he's not that good against the run, probably a better pass rusher though. And he's a gamble. Why spend a top 10 or top 15 pick on a guy like that when you can get Watson for a mid-late 2nd round pick.
well if watson is as good as you say he is then i think he'd be worth even a 2nd round pick...

ron brace is projected to go in the 2nd round but if watson an already proven young guy then lets get him...
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Jackson? Ranked higher?
Thats like having Ramsey ranked higher than Cutler.

And again, Watson is NOT an UFA. He's a RFA.
Hate to break it to ya, Skippy, but you're wrong on both counts.

According to Scout.com, Grady is a 3-star UFA, and Gabe is a 2-star UFA: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...3&rc=16&pid=22




Now ... who were you laughing at, and what was it you said about Ramsey over Cutler?
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Hate to break it to ya, Skippy, but you're wrong on both counts.

According to Scout.com, Grady is a 3-star UFA, and Gabe is a 2-star UFA: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...3&rc=16&pid=22




Now ... who were you laughing at, and what was it you said about Ramsey over Cutler?
Gabe Watson is a RFA....he has only been in the league 3 years.
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Hate to break it to ya, Skippy, but you're wrong on both counts.

According to Scout.com, Grady is a 3-star UFA, and Gabe is a 2-star UFA: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...3&rc=16&pid=22




Now ... who were you laughing at, and what was it you said about Ramsey over Cutler?
Walter Football Says the opposite

http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2009DT.php
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I thought everyone said we were getting Peppers and or Haynesworth?
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Okay, my bad (Scout.com's bad actually), Gabe Watson is an RFA. Must be a misprint there.


Grady Jackson is uniformly rated a better player than Gabe Watson, though, across the board.

BabyTO .... just because a guy went to a Super Bowl doesn't mean he's automatically more valuable in free agency. Just ask Al Davis, who signed Cowboys CB Larry Brown to (yet another) dumass huge Raider free agent contract after Brown had 2 picks in a Super Bowl. Brown proceeded to play just 12 games in two years for Oakland, and was then waived out of the league. DOn't mean to infer Watson will be a bustout in free agency, but thereis a lesson there. And Grady Jackson is a better player.

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Okay, my bad (Scout.com's bad actually), Gabe Watson is an RFA. Must be a misprint there.


Grady Jackson is uniformly rated a better player than Gabe Watson, though, across the board.

BabyTO .... just because a guy went to a Super Bowl doesn't mean he's automatically more valuable in free agency. Just ask Al Davis, who signed Cowboys CB Larry Brown to (yet another) dumass huge Raider free agent contract after Brown had 2 picks in a Super Bowl. Brown proceeded to play just 12 games in two years for Oakland, and was then waived out of the league. DOn't mean to infer Watson will be a bustout in free agency, but thereis a lesson there. And Grady Jackson is a better player.
Grady Jackson is decent, but he is also old as hell. Not to mention he has had trouble staying healthy the last few years...he's not more than a rotational guy.
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Grady Jackson is decent, but he is also old as hell. Not to mention he has had trouble staying healthy the last few years...
Trouble staying healthy? He missed only one game in the last four seasons.


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Then what does that make Gabe Watson?

My opinion is we should draft two NTs: Raji or Brace, plus Dorrell Scott. Therefore, we need Grady for just a couyple years. He can end his career here.
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Trouble staying healthy? He missed only one game in the last four seasons.



Then what does that make Gabe Watson?

My opinion is we should draft two NTs: Raji or Brace, plus Dorrell Scott. Therefore, we need Grady for just a couyple years. He can end his career here.
Watson is younger and has more potential
I think Watson is better, but even if you think Grady is better its not like Grady is a stud

If we get Watson, then we dont need to draft 2 NTs as he could act as a draftee since he is so young
We are not getting Raji, but Brace would be fine I guess
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