USC or LSU? - The Orange Mane

Arkie · 11-24-2003, 12:51 AM

It might have been as simple as "win and you're in" for the Trojans if they hadn't been let down by their Pac-10 brethren on Saturday. Washington State's fourth-quarter collapse in the Apple Cup cost USC potentially important quality-win points in the BCS, and Oregon State's loss in the Civil War means a season-ending win over the Beavers will now be worth less.

Assuming USC finishes the regular season ranked one spot ahead of LSU in the polls, the Tigers' best chance of catching the Trojans in the BCS Standings is to make up a significant amount of that deficit in the quality-win component. At 10-2, Washington State would have essentially eliminated that possibility, but the Cougars' third loss leaves the door slightly open for LSU.

The Tigers are currently getting a quality-win bonus for their victory over Georgia, and they can't afford to lose it. This means LSU needs the Bulldogs to finish 10-2 but not reach the SEC championship game. If UGA does get to Atlanta, the Tigers would lose most (if not all) of that bonus by beating the Dawgs a second time. Therefore, LSU needs help.

Florida must beat Florida State and move ahead of Tennessee in next week's BCS Standings to prevent Georgia from reaching the SEC title game. A Vols' loss at Kentucky would be ideal for LSU. If they don't lose, LSU must hope the Kentucky game weakens Tennessee enough in the BCS for the Gators to make the leap.

This may not be possible, but if it happens, LSU's four-tenths of a point bonus for beating Georgia would be secure. That would leave six-tenths of a point the Tigers would still need to make up on the Trojans through schedule strength and the computers.

Because schedule strength is a factor in the calculations of the BCS computers, this decimal-point battle could be decided by the results of remaining games involving USC's and LSU's opponents. The biggest of those games will be Alabama at Hawaii because it is a head-to-head matchup between an opponent of LSU and an opponent of USC. Here's a list of games that could make a difference in this race for No. 2.

More important (opponents' games)

USC needs:
Hawaii over Alabama
Notre Dame over Syracuse
Hawaii over Boise State

LSU needs:
Alabama over Hawaii
Arizona over Arizona State
Georgia over Georgia Tech
Florida over Florida State
Louisiana Tech over Rice

Less important (opponents' opponents' games)

USC needs:
Pittsburgh over Miami (FL)
Georgia Tech over Georgia
Syracuse over Rutgers
Stanford over Notre Dame
Boise State over Nevada
Florida State over Florida
UNLV over Wyoming
Tennessee over Kentucky

LSU needs:
Miami (FL) over Pittsburgh
Texas over Texas A&M
Virginia over Virginia Tech
Ole Miss over Mississippi St.
SMU over TCU
UAB over Houston
Oklahoma over Kansas St.

USC's final opponent, Oregon State, has a 7-4 record that includes a win over I-AA Sacramento State. LSU must still play 8-3 Arkansas and then either a 9-3 or 10-2 team in the SEC championship game. The Tigers are currently 22 spots behind the Trojans in the schedule strength column, but these remaining opponents along with the games listed above could help LSU finish with a stronger schedule.

Currently, LSU is ahead of USC in only the BCS version of Kenneth Massey's rankings, but the Tigers appear to be within range of jumping the Trojans in a few other computers, too. If LSU can get on top of USC in five of the seven ratings systems, that would translate to an advantage of half a point in average computer ranking, assuming the teams were within one spot of each other in every computer.

If USC stays one spot ahead in both polls, and LSU is able to keep its advantage of .4 in the quality-win component while chipping away another .5 in the computer element, then the Tigers would only need to finish three spots ahead of USC in schedule strength to make up the difference and finish No. 2 in the BCS.

It looks simple on paper, but we don't know whether it's even possible for Florida to jump Tennessee in next week's BCS Standings, or whether it's possible for LSU to finish ahead of USC in five computers on Dec. 7. There are too many games that must still be played. A week from now, though, we will certainly have a better indication of the likelihood for this scenario.

Arkie · 11-24-2003, 01:40 AM

This BCS crap wouldn't matter as much if college would have a playoff. The six big conferences should get seeds #1-6, and at-large bids go to #7-8. The BCS could still be used for the at-large bids and the playoff seedings. It would look something like this:

1) Oklahoma (Big 12) vs.
8) Texas (at-large)

4) Michigan (Big Ten) vs.
5) Florida St. (ACC)

3) LSU (SEC) vs.
6) Miami (Big East)

2) USC (Pac-10) vs.
7) Ohio St. (at-large)

Arkie · 11-24-2003, 01:46 AM

Instead we'll get:

Sugar Bowl: Oklahoma vs. USC
Fiesta Bowl: LSU vs. Florida State
Rose Bowl: Michigan vs. Texas
Orange Bowl: Miami vs. Ohio State

...which is kinda cool if your a Sooner or Trojan.

watermock · 11-24-2003, 05:47 AM

Why wouldn't beating LSU beating Georgia a second time in a Championship Game count for anything?

What a bunch of crap!

Elevation 5280' · 11-24-2003, 07:52 PM

Well, I think LSU is every bit as good as USC (though either one will lose to OU IMO), but aren't you overlooking one minor point?

LSU still has to beat Arkansas who is no slouch! They did beat Texas....

And USC still has to beat Oregon State, another team that could be a spoiler.....

Personally if I thought they had a chance to beat OU I'd like to see LSU in there......but since whoever faces the Sooners will probably get spanked, I would rather see USC play them.

Actually, now that I think about it, LSU has had a much tougher schedule IMO, and therefore deserves the chance at OU!

Arkie · 11-25-2003, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by watermock
Why wouldn't beating LSU beating Georgia a second time in a Championship Game count for anything?

What a bunch of crap!

LSU has a quality win over Georgia. Georgia can't lose another game or LSU won't get that quality win so LSU needs to beat Florida in the SEC championship, not Georgia.

Arkie · 11-25-2003, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elevation 5280'
... but aren't you overlooking one minor point?

LSU still has to beat Arkansas who is no slouch! They did beat Texas....

And USC still has to beat Oregon State, another team that could be a spoiler.....

If neither team wins out, Michigan will probably sneak in there.

If both teams win out, then the Alabama at Hawaii game takes on a whole new importance because it is a head-to-head matchup between an opponent of LSU and an opponent of USC. It would be the most important game of about 20 other games influential to the BCS matched title game!

Don't you see why college needs a playoff? The best teams should be able control their own destiny instead of worrying about Hawaii. It's a shame LSU will knock themselves out of the Sugar Bowl if they beat Georgia to win the SEC.

Darkhawk24 · 11-25-2003, 06:39 AM

Problem with a playoff is that you take a lot of the hype and meaning out of the regular season games. Each saturday is huge in College football. With a tourny an undefeated record isn't nearly as special as it once was. The BCS has flaws but I am one of the few that like it better then a playoff.

Sideburn · 11-25-2003, 10:31 AM

How would it take away from the importance of everygame. If you want to use the bcs for the seedings that is fine. It's always better to argue over the 8th spot in a playoff than the 2nd spot in a computer generated get up. Lets just face facts here. The only reason there isn't a playoff is money. The big conferences make too much money off of the bcs. I for one would love a playoff. The upsets that we could get would be great. It would make the other "bcs" bowls actually mean something to someone other than fans of the teams that are playing. Like this year, the orange, rose, and fiesta are worthless bowl games. Those games mean as much to the national picture as the Motor city bowl.

Darkhawk24 · 11-25-2003, 11:02 AM

What do you mean it wouldn't take away from the games? Right now one loss could knock you out of the national title race. So the importance of winning is a lot higher then it would be if 8 teams made it to a play off race. I like the way College football is personally.

Arkie · 11-29-2003, 02:22 AM

After a couple of losses, the rest of the season doesn't matter as much without a playoff. Don't you think your wolverines would have a shot at the national title this year with a playoff?

The top eight teams every year are elite. One or two bad regular season games may cost them a shot at the title. I want to see all of these teams at their best compete at the end of the year.

Sideburn · 11-29-2003, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkhawk24
What do you mean it wouldn't take away from the games? Right now one loss could knock you out of the national title race. So the importance of winning is a lot higher then it would be if 8 teams made it to a play off race. I like the way College football is personally.

Your reasoning is exactly why teams like Kansas State, Nebraska, OU, VT, Florida State, Miami, Ohio State, and other notable teams schedule the Mcneese states, and Tulsas, and citadels of the country. Non con schedules have become a joke. It's bad for football. Look at the top 8 in the BCS right now. Wouldn't you love to see them play for a chance at the title. How can you deny that it would be good for football. If you haven't noticed, teams going after it now barring OU have a loss. Do you want to tell the kids at either USC or LSU that they don't get a chance to play in the title game because the computer said so. Do you want to tell them that "hey, sure we have the same record as the other team but some computer in NY ranked us 5th behind teams with 2 losses". Let the kids play for it on the field. Just look back a couple years ago. No one in their right mind thought Nebraska should have been there. To get to the title game with a .05 pt lead in the #2 slot is an embarresment to college football. Heck you're a Michigan fan. Wouldn't you rather the Rose bowl that they're going to play in be worth something other than a reason for a parade? If the system is so great why is it the only major sport in the United States that annoites a champion. Every major and minor sport in college and pro has some sort of setup where the athletes prove themselves the champion at whatever sport they play. But no, College football in all its glory decides that sportswriters, coaches, and a hand full of computers annoite the champion of the most recognized sport in the country.

FADERPROOF · 11-29-2003, 12:36 PM

I can understand where DarkHawk is coming from. The Michigan-OSU rivalry is the biggest in the country for a reason, 1 game to determine the Big 10 championship and sometimes the National Championship.

Say we have a playoff system, the game will still mean a **** of a lot, but it won't dash either teams national championship hopes like it did to OSU this year if there's a playoff system that OSU would still be in even with the loss. We'd still have a shot to win the title by winning the playoff games, but with this current system it puts more emphasis on each single regular season game.

Sideburn · 11-29-2003, 12:50 PM

I understand that. But lets say OSU went undefeated until the Michigan game. Lost that game. How would you feel if another 1 loss team that lost in week 3 to a lesser team rather than to a good team in week 11 played in the championship game ahead of you. If you haven't noticed you're still taking away emphasis from games. The BCS is basically saying lose earlier and we'll show you the love. Lose late and you can kiss our ass.

FADERPROOF · 11-29-2003, 12:56 PM

That's just not the BCS, that's how it's been even before the BCS came into play. It's been general knowledge that losing early is a lot better than losing late, because you'll always drop rankings after a loss, but you can make your way back up by losing early where that ground cannot be made when losing late.

Darkhawk24 · 11-29-2003, 01:03 PM

Look as a Michigan fan I would love a play off. But as a College football fan I think the BCS is better.

Sideburn · 11-29-2003, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DenFan38
That's just not the BCS, that's how it's been even before the BCS came into play. It's been general knowledge that losing early is a lot better than losing late, because you'll always drop rankings after a loss, but you can make your way back up by losing early where that ground cannot be made when losing late.

Hence the playoff. You just made the number 1 argument for a playoff without even trying. Let the teams decide the champion.
edit : I never said it was just the BCS. In one of my post I brought in the AP (sportswriters) and the coaches. This has been a problem for a long long long time.

FADERPROOF · 11-29-2003, 02:49 PM

And what if an "upset" happens in the playoffs? Say Oklahoma goes to down in the first game to a team like Michigan, is anyone here going to say that Michigan is the better team? I think you'll hear a lot of criticism of a playoff structure once a favorite goes down early and doesn't even get a chance to be in the title game, which their regular season record and performance should determine.

Sideburn · 11-29-2003, 11:29 PM

but atleast it was won and lost on the field. I'd love to see a top team go down to a team with two losses. Alot of two loss teams play tougher schedules than the 1 loss teams. I guarantee you wouldn't hear Bob Stoops complain about it if his team lost it on the field.

Taco John · 11-29-2003, 11:30 PM

WHoah... Evil head is back! Where you been man? I missed your comedy.

Sideburn · 11-29-2003, 11:43 PM

I've been here and there. Trying to keep my online gaming career in tact so I can earn easy money for doing nothing more than playing a video game. I need to get more into the other side of the board...I'm slacking on the Broncos side...I'm not doing enough of my part discussing it...Or as evil head says, bashing it. Evil head and I are ready for a playoff run thats for sure. Evil head snuck out the other night on me and "tped" a faid fans house that I went to school with. We're heading up to the mother land to watch the Chefs game on the 7th. Other than that not much else going on...How are you doing TJ. I've agreed with alot of your posts thus far this season...And lately our execution is just pathetic. Dropped passes, missing blocking assignments, missing tackles...It's like we reverted back to a few years ago in 2 weeks. Someone needs to light a bonfire under some butts!

Arkie · 11-30-2003, 01:56 AM

Let's give thanks this thanksgiving weekend to the NFL for having a playoff. Otherwise, Kansas City would be given a spot in the Super Bowl based on their record.

Championships are made to be won by stringing together several wins over the very best teams in a tournament setting. It's how everybody else does it.

What if Oklahoma goes down in the first round?

SO WHAT. They just pulled a Kansas City!

A first round playoff game should be more important than a regular season game. It's better than going down in week 7!

I think it would be hilarious. Let somebody else get a bigger share of the pie to help their recruiting.

College basketball is so much better when teams like Louisville, Marquette, and smaller schools have a shot at the national title. College football has always been about the biggest and wealthiest programs. Bowls will always help the same programs sign the top recruits, plus give these same programs millions of dollars every time they play in the Bowls.

How fun is it to know that only 2 teams have a shot at the national championship for a whole month?

Arkie · 11-30-2003, 02:33 AM

USC needs:
Hawaii over Alabama------------Accomplished
Notre Dame over Syracuse
Hawaii over Boise State

LSU needs:
Alabama over Hawaii------------OOPS!
Arizona over Arizona State-----OOPS!
Georgia over Georgia Tech-----Accomplished
Florida over Florida State-------OOPS!
Louisiana Tech over Rice--------OOPS!

FADERPROOF · 11-30-2003, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sideburn
but atleast it was won and lost on the field. I'd love to see a top team go down to a team with two losses. Alot of two loss teams play tougher schedules than the 1 loss teams. I guarantee you wouldn't hear Bob Stoops complain about it if his team lost it on the field.

I'd rathere have Oklahoma and either USC/LSU play one game to decide everything than possibly having Michigan vs. Miami in the Sugar Bowl to decide the Title.

Darkhawk24 · 11-30-2003, 10:05 AM

Another thing is in professional sports (You mentioned the superbowl) the athletes are getting paid to put their bodies on the line for an extra game or two (play offs)... College they aren't. Now I know that sounds weak for us fans but it's something they are looking at when they decide BCS vs Play offs.

11-25-2003, 10:31 AM	#9
Sideburn Thanks for the memories Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,389	How would it take away from the importance of everygame. If you want to use the bcs for the seedings that is fine. It's always better to argue over the 8th spot in a playoff than the 2nd spot in a computer generated get up. Lets just face facts here. The only reason there isn't a playoff is money. The big conferences make too much money off of the bcs. I for one would love a playoff. The upsets that we could get would be great. It would make the other "bcs" bowls actually mean something to someone other than fans of the teams that are playing. Like this year, the orange, rose, and fiesta are worthless bowl games. Those games mean as much to the national picture as the Motor city bowl. __________________ The 2004 Neck Pony Nation / Orangemane Fantasy Football Champion Sideburn's Evil Head Brigade (14-1)

11-29-2003, 12:50 PM	#14
Sideburn Thanks for the memories Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,389	I understand that. But lets say OSU went undefeated until the Michigan game. Lost that game. How would you feel if another 1 loss team that lost in week 3 to a lesser team rather than to a good team in week 11 played in the championship game ahead of you. If you haven't noticed you're still taking away emphasis from games. The BCS is basically saying lose earlier and we'll show you the love. Lose late and you can kiss our ass. __________________ The 2004 Neck Pony Nation / Orangemane Fantasy Football Champion Sideburn's Evil Head Brigade (14-1)

11-29-2003, 11:29 PM	#19
Sideburn Thanks for the memories Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,389	but atleast it was won and lost on the field. I'd love to see a top team go down to a team with two losses. Alot of two loss teams play tougher schedules than the 1 loss teams. I guarantee you wouldn't hear Bob Stoops complain about it if his team lost it on the field. __________________ The 2004 Neck Pony Nation / Orangemane Fantasy Football Champion Sideburn's Evil Head Brigade (14-1)

11-29-2003, 11:43 PM	#21
Sideburn Thanks for the memories Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,389	I've been here and there. Trying to keep my online gaming career in tact so I can earn easy money for doing nothing more than playing a video game. I need to get more into the other side of the board...I'm slacking on the Broncos side...I'm not doing enough of my part discussing it...Or as evil head says, bashing it. Evil head and I are ready for a playoff run thats for sure. Evil head snuck out the other night on me and "tped" a faid fans house that I went to school with. We're heading up to the mother land to watch the Chefs game on the 7th. Other than that not much else going on...How are you doing TJ. I've agreed with alot of your posts thus far this season...And lately our execution is just pathetic. Dropped passes, missing blocking assignments, missing tackles...It's like we reverted back to a few years ago in 2 weeks. Someone needs to light a bonfire under some butts! __________________ The 2004 Neck Pony Nation / Orangemane Fantasy Football Champion Sideburn's Evil Head Brigade (14-1)

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11-24-2003, 12:51 AM	#1
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,080 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	USC or LSU? It might have been as simple as "win and you're in" for the Trojans if they hadn't been let down by their Pac-10 brethren on Saturday. Washington State's fourth-quarter collapse in the Apple Cup cost USC potentially important quality-win points in the BCS, and Oregon State's loss in the Civil War means a season-ending win over the Beavers will now be worth less. Assuming USC finishes the regular season ranked one spot ahead of LSU in the polls, the Tigers' best chance of catching the Trojans in the BCS Standings is to make up a significant amount of that deficit in the quality-win component. At 10-2, Washington State would have essentially eliminated that possibility, but the Cougars' third loss leaves the door slightly open for LSU. The Tigers are currently getting a quality-win bonus for their victory over Georgia, and they can't afford to lose it. This means LSU needs the Bulldogs to finish 10-2 but not reach the SEC championship game. If UGA does get to Atlanta, the Tigers would lose most (if not all) of that bonus by beating the Dawgs a second time. Therefore, LSU needs help. Florida must beat Florida State and move ahead of Tennessee in next week's BCS Standings to prevent Georgia from reaching the SEC title game. A Vols' loss at Kentucky would be ideal for LSU. If they don't lose, LSU must hope the Kentucky game weakens Tennessee enough in the BCS for the Gators to make the leap. This may not be possible, but if it happens, LSU's four-tenths of a point bonus for beating Georgia would be secure. That would leave six-tenths of a point the Tigers would still need to make up on the Trojans through schedule strength and the computers. Because schedule strength is a factor in the calculations of the BCS computers, this decimal-point battle could be decided by the results of remaining games involving USC's and LSU's opponents. The biggest of those games will be Alabama at Hawaii because it is a head-to-head matchup between an opponent of LSU and an opponent of USC. Here's a list of games that could make a difference in this race for No. 2. More important (opponents' games) USC needs: Hawaii over Alabama Notre Dame over Syracuse Hawaii over Boise State LSU needs: Alabama over Hawaii Arizona over Arizona State Georgia over Georgia Tech Florida over Florida State Louisiana Tech over Rice Less important (opponents' opponents' games) USC needs: Pittsburgh over Miami (FL) Georgia Tech over Georgia Syracuse over Rutgers Stanford over Notre Dame Boise State over Nevada Florida State over Florida UNLV over Wyoming Tennessee over Kentucky LSU needs: Miami (FL) over Pittsburgh Texas over Texas A&M Virginia over Virginia Tech Ole Miss over Mississippi St. SMU over TCU UAB over Houston Oklahoma over Kansas St. USC's final opponent, Oregon State, has a 7-4 record that includes a win over I-AA Sacramento State. LSU must still play 8-3 Arkansas and then either a 9-3 or 10-2 team in the SEC championship game. The Tigers are currently 22 spots behind the Trojans in the schedule strength column, but these remaining opponents along with the games listed above could help LSU finish with a stronger schedule. Currently, LSU is ahead of USC in only the BCS version of Kenneth Massey's rankings, but the Tigers appear to be within range of jumping the Trojans in a few other computers, too. If LSU can get on top of USC in five of the seven ratings systems, that would translate to an advantage of half a point in average computer ranking, assuming the teams were within one spot of each other in every computer. If USC stays one spot ahead in both polls, and LSU is able to keep its advantage of .4 in the quality-win component while chipping away another .5 in the computer element, then the Tigers would only need to finish three spots ahead of USC in schedule strength to make up the difference and finish No. 2 in the BCS. It looks simple on paper, but we don't know whether it's even possible for Florida to jump Tennessee in next week's BCS Standings, or whether it's possible for LSU to finish ahead of USC in five computers on Dec. 7. There are too many games that must still be played. A week from now, though, we will certainly have a better indication of the likelihood for this scenario.

11-24-2003, 01:40 AM	#2
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,080 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	This BCS crap wouldn't matter as much if college would have a playoff. The six big conferences should get seeds #1-6, and at-large bids go to #7-8. The BCS could still be used for the at-large bids and the playoff seedings. It would look something like this: 1) Oklahoma (Big 12) vs. 8) Texas (at-large) 4) Michigan (Big Ten) vs. 5) Florida St. (ACC) 3) LSU (SEC) vs. 6) Miami (Big East) 2) USC (Pac-10) vs. 7) Ohio St. (at-large)

11-24-2003, 01:46 AM	#3
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,080 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	Instead we'll get: Sugar Bowl: Oklahoma vs. USC Fiesta Bowl: LSU vs. Florida State Rose Bowl: Michigan vs. Texas Orange Bowl: Miami vs. Ohio State ...which is kinda cool if your a Sooner or Trojan.

11-24-2003, 05:47 AM	#4
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Why wouldn't beating LSU beating Georgia a second time in a Championship Game count for anything? What a bunch of crap!

11-24-2003, 07:52 PM	#5
Elevation 5280' Perennial Pro-bowler I'm Watching You.... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 782	Well, I think LSU is every bit as good as USC (though either one will lose to OU IMO), but aren't you overlooking one minor point? LSU still has to beat Arkansas who is no slouch! They did beat Texas.... And USC still has to beat Oregon State, another team that could be a spoiler..... Personally if I thought they had a chance to beat OU I'd like to see LSU in there......but since whoever faces the Sooners will probably get spanked, I would rather see USC play them. Actually, now that I think about it, LSU has had a much tougher schedule IMO, and therefore deserves the chance at OU!

11-25-2003, 06:39 AM	#8
Darkhawk24 Draft Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,552	Problem with a playoff is that you take a lot of the hype and meaning out of the regular season games. Each saturday is huge in College football. With a tourny an undefeated record isn't nearly as special as it once was. The BCS has flaws but I am one of the few that like it better then a playoff.

11-25-2003, 11:02 AM	#10
Darkhawk24 Draft Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,552	What do you mean it wouldn't take away from the games? Right now one loss could knock you out of the national title race. So the importance of winning is a lot higher then it would be if 8 teams made it to a play off race. I like the way College football is personally.

11-29-2003, 02:22 AM	#11
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,080 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	After a couple of losses, the rest of the season doesn't matter as much without a playoff. Don't you think your wolverines would have a shot at the national title this year with a playoff? The top eight teams every year are elite. One or two bad regular season games may cost them a shot at the title. I want to see all of these teams at their best compete at the end of the year.

11-29-2003, 12:36 PM	#13
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	I can understand where DarkHawk is coming from. The Michigan-OSU rivalry is the biggest in the country for a reason, 1 game to determine the Big 10 championship and sometimes the National Championship. Say we have a playoff system, the game will still mean a **** of a lot, but it won't dash either teams national championship hopes like it did to OSU this year if there's a playoff system that OSU would still be in even with the loss. We'd still have a shot to win the title by winning the playoff games, but with this current system it puts more emphasis on each single regular season game.

11-29-2003, 12:56 PM	#15
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	That's just not the BCS, that's how it's been even before the BCS came into play. It's been general knowledge that losing early is a lot better than losing late, because you'll always drop rankings after a loss, but you can make your way back up by losing early where that ground cannot be made when losing late.

11-29-2003, 01:03 PM	#16
Darkhawk24 Draft Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,552	Look as a Michigan fan I would love a play off. But as a College football fan I think the BCS is better.

11-29-2003, 02:49 PM	#18
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	And what if an "upset" happens in the playoffs? Say Oklahoma goes to down in the first game to a team like Michigan, is anyone here going to say that Michigan is the better team? I think you'll hear a lot of criticism of a playoff structure once a favorite goes down early and doesn't even get a chance to be in the title game, which their regular season record and performance should determine.

11-29-2003, 11:30 PM	#20
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	WHoah... Evil head is back! Where you been man? I missed your comedy.

11-30-2003, 01:56 AM	#22
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,080 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	Let's give thanks this thanksgiving weekend to the NFL for having a playoff. Otherwise, Kansas City would be given a spot in the Super Bowl based on their record. Championships are made to be won by stringing together several wins over the very best teams in a tournament setting. It's how everybody else does it. What if Oklahoma goes down in the first round? SO WHAT. They just pulled a Kansas City! A first round playoff game should be more important than a regular season game. It's better than going down in week 7! I think it would be hilarious. Let somebody else get a bigger share of the pie to help their recruiting. College basketball is so much better when teams like Louisville, Marquette, and smaller schools have a shot at the national title. College football has always been about the biggest and wealthiest programs. Bowls will always help the same programs sign the top recruits, plus give these same programs millions of dollars every time they play in the Bowls. How fun is it to know that only 2 teams have a shot at the national championship for a whole month?

11-30-2003, 02:33 AM	#23
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,080 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	USC needs: Hawaii over Alabama------------Accomplished Notre Dame over Syracuse Hawaii over Boise State LSU needs: Alabama over Hawaii------------OOPS! Arizona over Arizona State-----OOPS! Georgia over Georgia Tech-----Accomplished Florida over Florida State-------OOPS! Louisiana Tech over Rice--------OOPS!

11-30-2003, 10:05 AM	#25
Darkhawk24 Draft Junkie Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 3,552	Another thing is in professional sports (You mentioned the superbowl) the athletes are getting paid to put their bodies on the line for an extra game or two (play offs)... College they aren't. Now I know that sounds weak for us fans but it's something they are looking at when they decide BCS vs Play offs.