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Old 02-15-2009, 10:52 AM   #1
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Default OT- Musicians think differently then non musicians!!!

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At the top of The New Yorker magazine’s entertainment listings is this warning: “Musicians live complicated lives…; it’s advisable to call ahead to confirm engagements.”

Well an article in press at the journal Brain and Cognition confirms that musicians have more going on in their brains than the rest of us: they use both hemispheres, more frequently. (Whether this leads to their so-called “complicated lives,” is yet to be confirmed.)

The researchers discovered this dual-activity when they measured the creativity of 20 piano, percussion, wind and string players. The musicians were asked to invent new functions for common household objects. On average, they came up with 14 more uses than nonmusicians could.

In a second experiment musicians dreamed up new uses for everyday items while the prefrontal lobes in their brains got scanned. And musicians had more activity in both sides of their frontal lobes than nonmusicians did.

Researchers think these findings fit with musical talent—for example, pianists use each hand simultaneously to play different melodies and rhythms. And they read notes, a left-hemisphere task, and immediately turn them into music, a right-hemisphere job.

When it comes to creativity, harmonious hemispheres make beautiful music together.




So basically musicians just have better brains then non musicians. Sorry all you talentless pencil jockeys, musicians rule!!!!!!!!!
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I don't play much anymoe, but I do try to use both hemispheres
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I firmly believe the next stage of human evolution is to be whole brained. I'm just waiting for the rest of you to catch up.
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I firmly believe the next stage of human evolution is to be whole brained. I'm just waiting for the rest of you to catch up.
i was just playing some jazz on my horn feeling all superior to you people who only use half of your brain at a time. Losers!!!!!!
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i was just playing some jazz on my horn feeling all superior to you people who only use half of your brain at a time. Losers!!!!!!
lol, exactly!
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lol, exactly!
I'd like to see them do a study if it matter how good of a musician you are as far as how the hemispheres link together.

Like does a symphony musician who is one of the best in the world get more connection then say joe blow weekend warrior trying to play Lynard Skynard covers in the local bar.

Interesting stuff. I've always said kids I teach music to just seem smarter to me then the kids that don't try music. I think Music/Sports should be promoted equally with money because we need smarter kids and less jocks.
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My wife teaches piano and I used to play drums. I don't think either one of us are any smarter than the next person, but I always thought it might help with certain aspects of the brain like teaching yourself to do more than one thing simultaneously and in sync with another at the same time. I don't think it helps overall intelligence, but maybe muscle control and perhaps some comprehension. I'm not a brain scientist, though.
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I'd like to see them do a study if it matter how good of a musician you are as far as how the hemispheres link together.

Like does a symphony musician who is one of the best in the world get more connection then say joe blow weekend warrior trying to play Lynard Skynard covers in the local bar.

Interesting stuff. I've always said kids I teach music to just seem smarter to me then the kids that don't try music. I think Music/Sports should be promoted equally with money because we need smarter kids and less jocks.
Well, i know for myself when i was learning drums - learning the coordination/impendence of the limbs was difficult until those pathways were developed and strengthened.

So, IQ wise - as Kaylore states, i don't think is an increase.

It could allow the parallel processes of the brain to be more efficient, since you'd be linking both hemispheres.
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My wife teaches piano and I used to play drums. I don't think either one of us are any smarter than the next person, but I always thought it might help with certain aspects of the brain like teaching yourself to do more than one thing simultaneously and in sync with another at the same time. I don't think it helps overall intelligence, but maybe muscle control and perhaps some comprehension. I'm not a brain scientist, though.
Hence my point if you aren't playing really good, you probably don't have ability to use both hemispheres, and therefore that's why you weren't a great musician.

Most of these tests done on really good musicians, not average ones.

We need tests done on HS students that aren't great musicians yet.
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Well, i know for myself when i was learning drums - learning the coordination/impendence of the limbs was difficult until those pathways were developed and strengthened.

So, IQ wise - as Kaylore states, i don't think is an increase.

It could allow the parallel processes of the brain to be more efficient, since you'd be linking both hemispheres.
They aren't talking IQ though, only the ability to link the hemispheres more. The key test would be take a non musician with a really high IQ, test him, have him learn an instrument, test him again, then another IQ test see if he got smarter.

No doubt though music does more for the brain then sports do. We need to find a middle ground because its obvious to most people around music, that kids who play music, get in less trouble and do better in school.
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Hence my point if you aren't playing really good, you probably don't have ability to use both hemispheres, and therefore that's why you weren't a great musician.

Most of these tests done on really good musicians, not average ones.

We need tests done on HS students that aren't great musicians yet.
Hmmm, would talent be different though? I mean if someone is really a gifted musician, they may indeed be "smarter overall".

What benefit though would an "average person" gain from developing hemispheric equilibrium?
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My wife teaches piano and I used to play drums. I don't think either one of us are any smarter than the next person, but I always thought it might help with certain aspects of the brain like teaching yourself to do more than one thing simultaneously and in sync with another at the same time. I don't think it helps overall intelligence, but maybe muscle control and perhaps some comprehension. I'm not a brain scientist, though.
Probably not a great drummer either or why give it up right?

It may take better musicians.....Where is LABF he is supposed to be the heavy hitter around here.
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They aren't talking IQ though, only the ability to link the hemispheres more. The key test would be take a non musician with a really high IQ, test him, have him learn an instrument, test him again, then another IQ test see if he got smarter.

No doubt though music does more for the brain then sports do. We need to find a middle ground because its obvious to most people around music, that kids who play music, get in less trouble and do better in school.
I don't think it will or could nec. be measured in IQ. IMO, we need a different method to base it off of than just IQ. You need better tools to get a better diagnosis.
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Hmmm, would talent be different though? I mean if someone is really a gifted musician, they may indeed be "smarter overall".

What benefit though would an "average person" gain from developing hemispheric equilibrium?
I don't know, but if you don't have to be a great musician to increase that link then it could be worth looking at. I would think it mostly has to do with being logical and creative at the same time. To be able to stay in a context that requires timing(math side), then to link that better with the creative side. I don't know maybe it could be useful to people in there lives and jobs no matter what they are.
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My dad was a great engineer and he could play piano really well, never had a lesson in his life. I think he was special and that is why his cameras flew into space on many NASA spacecraft. That's why his designs on the Hubble Space telescope are still up there.

But maybe he could play with no lessons because his hemispheres were already working together. He was super creative man.

I'd like to see the brain of a great hitter trying to hit a baseball. Do they link both sides?
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Probably not a great drummer either or why give it up right?
Um no. I did mostly concert percussion and then added drumline in high school. I did it for fun and after high school there's not really a reason to keep doing it unless you want to make a career of being a musician and I didn't.
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I don't know, but if you don't have to be a great musician to increase that link then it could be worth looking at. I would think it mostly has to do with being logical and creative at the same time. To be able to stay in a context that requires timing(math side), then to link that better with the creative side. I don't know maybe it could be useful to people in there lives and jobs no matter what they are.
It would be useful for the "everyday".
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Um no. I did mostly concert percussion and then added drumline in high school. I did it for fun and after high school there's not really a reason to keep doing it unless you want to make a career of being a musician and I didn't.
So you don't see any reason for hobbies after school unless it's your job?

Bye the way what do you a call a dude who hangs out with musicians?



THE DRUMMER!!!!! i love that one.

I know tons of musicians who can't make a living out of it, but can't live without it. You do a day job, you play on the weekends......
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So you don't see any reason for hobbies after school unless it's your job?

Bye the way what do you a call a dude who hangs out with musicians?



THE DRUMMER!!!!! i love that one.

I know tons of musicians who can't make a living out of it, but can't live without it. You do a day job, you play on the weekends......
You're right, CTD. I have no hobbies. I'm not cool like you! I bet you get all the ladies when you're playing your guitar. I only wish I could cover led zepplin at the local Chili's! That's where the winner's are!
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You're right, CTD. I have no hobbies. I'm not cool like you! I bet you get all the ladies when you're playing your guitar. I only wish I could cover led zepplin at the local Chili's! That's where the winner's are!
You were the one that said unless you make a career out of it there is no reason to do it. I just found that odd. I suppose now you realize that you don't even feel that way. If something is fun and your good at it you do it regardless if you can make it a career.

Glad to see you are coming around.

And if I wanted I could easily drum up 15-20 parents of kids willing to scrap me 40 bucks a lesson to make johnny play. I just don't need to. There are a lot of ways to make money is music without being a guitar god.

I just wanted to make sure that was said in case any kids were discouraged by Kaylore making it sound like Led Zepplin covers and womens panties were all it was about.

By the way I had no idea Chili's had live music....Is that true?
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Bye the way what do you a call a dude who hangs out with musicians?



THE DRUMMER!!!!! i love that one.
The proper answer is bass player, as in....

How do you know a bass player is at your door?

The knocking is out of time.

How do you get a bass player off your doorstep?

Pay for the pizza.
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You were the one that said unless you make a career out of it there is no reason to do it. I just found that odd.
No, that's what I said about my experience. If I was truly in love with playing in an orchestra or even marching band I suppose I could have gone on with it. But that skill is less transferable and certainly not a "hobby" that's easily kept, especially when you're not in love with it. Sometimes people stop doing things because they like other things more, CTD. It's not like there's a timpani drum club I can just go to and start messing around on Saturday. I never had a desire to play in a "band" either. It's much easier to go hiking, play pickup football or do any number of other things.

I don't have a problem with musicians or music. And if someone really likes playing music, then more power to them. I do have a problem with someone thinking they're better than someone else because they can strum a guitar.
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I have been into harmonica all my life, at this point I'll never be pro or anything.

I respect the musicians who play and have taken the time to learn, there are no short cuts.
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