Should we trade Jay Cutler for a defense? - The Orange Mane

baja · 02-13-2009, 07:30 PM

Seeing how the NE offense can win with a mediocre QB in the same way we used to win with anyone at HB and the fact that Jay is worth 2 firsts and a good starter we could get three good starters on D for Jay. Is Jay a luxury we can do without to win a SB sooner rather than later?

loborugger · 02-13-2009, 07:41 PM

Can we trade him for Champ? If so, I am all about it!

Otherwise....

FAIL

PRBronco · 02-13-2009, 07:42 PM

/palmface

broncswin · 02-13-2009, 07:44 PM

Dedhed · 02-13-2009, 07:47 PM

If you had ten million dollars would you trade it all for a chance to win $15M in the lottery?

Ramathorn · 02-13-2009, 07:51 PM

There should be some sort of minimum thought be used before a thread is started.

baja · 02-13-2009, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncos4life79

There should be some sort of minimum thought be used before a thread is started.

What the hell are you talking about I used very minimum thought for this thread.

BTW this was Dan Reeves' thinking when he was trying to trade Elway to Washington and Reeves is a HOF coach

baja · 02-13-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

If you had ten million dollars would you trade it all for a chance to win $15M in the lottery?

You don't think you could field a top 10 D next year with three good starters plus your whole draft and a very decent QB in Cassel?

TDmvp · 02-13-2009, 08:01 PM

loborugger · 02-13-2009, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

What the hell are you talking about I used very minimum thought for this thread.

BTW this was Dan Reeves' thinking when he was trying to trade Elway to Washington and Reeves is a HOF coach

And it shows.

Jason in LA · 02-13-2009, 10:03 PM

Since the boob thread got moved it has been one bad moment after another, so I can see this happening.

BroncoBuff · 02-13-2009, 10:05 PM

To the butt ........

baja · 02-13-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

To the butt ........

It's a more reasonable idea than half of the threads on the main page right now.

It's defenses that win super bowls not franchise quaterbacks.

TDmvp · 02-13-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

It's a more reasonable idea than half of the threads on the main page right now.

It's defenses that win super bowls not franchise quaterbacks.

It's ok , I got this ...

For starters yea there is a lot of silly idea threads going around ...

Onto the D will win Titles things ... Yea it does , or CAN win titles ... But a franchise Qb is worth far more then you are giving them credit for or you don't watch much football.

Ask the Browns of the 80's ... but moving on.

Yes D CAN win titles , and yes win need a BETTER D then we had last year to win one . But if you look back through history their isn't many teams that have won a title without a high profile QB and honestly there has only been like 5 super star D teams win a title in my life ... normally it is a good D with a franchise QB .....

January 20, 1980 Pittsburgh Steelers
January 25, 1981 Oakland Raiders
January 24, 1982 San Francisco 49ers
January 30, 1983 Washington Redskins
January 22, 1984 Los Angeles Raiders
January 20, 1985 San Francisco 49ers
January 26, 1986 Chicago Bears
January 25, 1987 New York Giants
January 31, 1988 Washington Redskins
January 22, 1989 San Francisco 49ers
January 28, 1990 San Francisco 49ers
January 27, 1991 New York Giants
January 26, 1992 Washington Redskins
January 31, 1993 Dallas Cowboys
January 30, 1994 Dallas Cowboys
January 29, 1995 San Francisco 49ers
January 28, 1996 Dallas Cowboys
January 26, 1997 Green Bay Packers
January 25, 1998 Denver Broncos
January 31, 1999 Denver Broncos
January 30, 2000 St. Louis Rams
January 28, 2001 Baltimore Ravens
February 3, 2002 New England Patriots
January 26, 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
February 1, 2004 New England Patriots
February 6, 2005 New England Patriots
February 5, 2006 Pittsburgh Steelers
February 4, 2007 Indianapolis Colts
February 3, 2008 New York Giants
February 1, 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers

Only a few of those have D's that was the show .... Most have future or current Hof QB's tho or guys that was a "franchise" guy....

Popps · 02-13-2009, 10:35 PM

Again, the simple solution to this endless debate to me is...

You CAN win a SB with a marginal QB, but you'll have a much harder time winning one with a marginal defense.

Obviously, you want both... but we've shunned the defense for a fancy-stat offense for way too long. Thankfully, I believe those days are about to end.

SureShot · 02-13-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Since the boob thread got moved it has been one bad moment after another, so I can see this happening.

The Broncos haven't won a game since. Just sayin.

BroncoMan4ever · 02-13-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

What the hell are you talking about I used very minimum thought for this thread.

BTW this was Dan Reeves' thinking when he was trying to trade Elway to Washington and Reeves is a HOF coach

and he got his ass canned for that retarded thought.

BroncoMan4ever · 02-13-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SureShot

The Broncos haven't won a game since. Just sayin.

the mods killed our season. gather your pitchforks and torches and lets get these bastards!!

BRING BACK THE MOJO!!!

Dedhed · 02-14-2009, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

You don't think you could field a top 10 D next year with three good starters plus your whole draft and a very decent QB in Cassel?

No.

DenverBrit · 02-14-2009, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

Seeing how the NE offense can win with a mediocre QB in the same way we used to win with anyone at HB and the fact that Jay is worth 2 firsts and a good starter we could get three good starters on D for Jay. Is Jay a luxury we can do without to win a SB sooner rather than later?

Baja, you 'gutless drunk'!!

ludo21 · 02-14-2009, 07:00 AM

When we needed to win games Cutler hasnt done so yet, so I would do it depending on the trade.

Killericon · 02-14-2009, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

When we needed to win games Cutler hasnt done so yet, so I would do it depending on the trade.

Schism · 02-14-2009, 07:44 AM

The problem is that there's nothing to gaurantee that those first round picks you get for him are going to be any good.

We know what we have in Cutler. A very talented young QB with potential to be one of the best in the league. We need a solid running game and an above average defense to pair with him and we'll be a team capable of winning Superbowls.

That should be easier to find than starting from scratch and building a powerhouse defense that'll carry us to glory.

CEH · 02-14-2009, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baja

Seeing how the NE offense can win with a mediocre QB in the same way we used to win with anyone at HB and the fact that Jay is worth 2 firsts and a good starter we could get three good starters on D for Jay. Is Jay a luxury we can do without to win a SB sooner rather than later?

IDK ask Balt what a All Pro QB can do for you. IIRC correctly they have All Pro's at LT, RB, MLBer,DT,S, CB and haven't been to the Super Bowl since 00They have been searching for a QB for years

I keep Cutler and change the culture around Dove Valley. Oh wait we are
I know this is about 5 guys instead of 11 but look at the culture change on the Nuggets since Billups arrived with his defensive menatility.

I believe we can get there on defense.
Denver had their sights on Freeney and Poloamlu back in the day.
Where would we be now with those two instead of Foster and Lelie

A little luck always helps.

crawdad · 02-14-2009, 08:55 AM

Obviously you have nothing to do. I would not even think about this trade!

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Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Again, the simple solution to this endless debate to me is... You CAN win a SB with a marginal QB, but you'll have a much harder time winning one with a marginal defense. Obviously, you want both... but we've shunned the defense for a fancy-stat offense for way too long. Thankfully, I believe those days are about to end.

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Schism Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The problem is that there's nothing to gaurantee that those first round picks you get for him are going to be any good. We know what we have in Cutler. A very talented young QB with potential to be one of the best in the league. We need a solid running game and an above average defense to pair with him and we'll be a team capable of winning Superbowls. That should be easier to find than starting from scratch and building a powerhouse defense that'll carry us to glory.

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