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Old 02-13-2009, 07:18 AM   #1
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece



Baby-faced boy Alfie Patten is father at 13



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BOY dad Alfie Patten yesterday admitted he does not know how much nappies cost — but said: “I think it’s a lot.”

Baby-faced Alfie, who is 13 but looks more like eight, became a father four days ago when his girlfriend Chantelle Steadman gave birth to 7lb 3oz Maisie Roxanne.

He told how he and Chantelle, 15, decided against an abortion after discovering she was pregnant.


The shy lad, whose voice has not yet broken, said: “I thought it would be good to have a baby.

“I didn’t think about how we would afford it. I don’t really get pocket money. My dad sometimes gives me £10.”

Little family ... Alfie, Chantelle and baby Maisie

Little family ... Alfie, Chantelle and baby Maisie

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Alfie, who is just 4ft tall, added: “When my mum found out, I thought I was going to get in trouble. We wanted to have the baby but were worried how people would react.

“I didn’t know what it would be like to be a dad. I will be good, though, and care for it.”

Alfie’s dad Dennis told how the lad does not really understand the enormity of his situation — but seemed desperate to be a devoted and responsible father.
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He wanted to be the first to hold Maisie after the hospital birth. He tenderly kisses the baby and gives her a bottle.

And Dennis, 45, said: “He could have shrugged his shoulders and sat at home on his Playstation. But he has been at the hospital every day.”

Maisie was conceived after Chantelle and Alfie — just 12 at the time — had a single night of unprotected sex.

They found out about the baby when Chantelle was 12 weeks pregnant.

But they kept it a secret until six weeks later when Chantelle’s mum Penny, 38, became suspicious about her weight gain and confronted her.

Devoted ... Alfie holds and cuddles Maisie

Devoted ... Alfie holds and cuddles Maisie

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After that Alfie’s family told only those closest to them for fear he would be “demonised” at school.

Chantelle gave birth to Maisie on Monday night after a five-hour labour at Eastbourne Hospital, East Sussex.

Last night she told The Sun: “I’m tired after the birth. I was nervous after going into labour but otherwise I was quite excited.”

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Chantelle told how she discovered she was expecting after going to her GP with “really bad” stomach pains. She said: “Me and Alfie went. The doctor asked me whether we had sex. I said yes and he said I should do a pregnancy test. He did the test and said I was pregnant. I started crying and didn’t know what to do.

“He said I should tell my mum but I was too scared.

“We didn’t think we would need help from our parents. You don’t really think about that when you find out you are pregnant. You just think your parents will kill you.”

But Penny figured out what was going on after buying Chantelle a T-shirt which revealed her swelling tum.

Chantelle admitted she and Alfie — who are both being supported by their parents — would be accused of being grossly irresponsible. She said: “We know we made a mistake but I wouldn’t change it now. We will be good loving parents.

“I have started a church course and I am going to do work experience helping other young mums.

“I’ll be a great mum and Alfie will be a great dad.”

Caring ... Alfie bottle feeds his little daughter

Caring ... Alfie bottle feeds his little daughter

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Chantelle and Maisie were released from hospital yesterday. They are living with Penny, Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in a rented council house in Eastbourne. The family live on benefits. Alfie, who lives on an estate across town with mum Nicola, 43, spends most of his time at the Steadmans’ house.

He is allowed to stay overnight and even has a school uniform there so he can go straight to his classes in the morning.

Alfie’s dad, who is separated from Nicola, believes the lad is scared deep down.

He said: “Everyone is telling him things and it’s going round in his head. It hasn’t really dawned on him. He hasn’t got a clue of what the baby means and can’t explain how he feels. All he knows is mum and dad will help.

“When you mention money his eyes look away. And she is reliant on her mum and dad. It’s crazy. They have no idea what lies ahead.”

Dennis, who works for a vehicle recovery firm, described Alfie as “a typical 13-year-old boy”.

He said: “He loves computer games, boxing and Manchester United.” Dennis, who has fathered nine kids, told how he was “gobsmacked” when he discovered Alfie was to be a dad, too.

He said: “When I spoke to him he started crying. He said it was the first time he’d had sex, that he didn’t know what he was doing and of the complications that could come.

“I will talk to him again and it will be the birds and the bees talk. Some may say it’s too late but he needs to understand so there is not another baby.”
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Chantelle’s mum said: “I told her it was lovely to have the baby but I wish it was in different circumstances. We have five children already so it’s a big financial responsibility. But we are a family and will pull together and get through.

“She’s my daughter. I love her and she will want for nothing.”

Last night Michaela Aston, of the anti-abortion Christian charity LIFE, said: “We commend these teenagers for their courage in bringing their child into the world.

“At the same time this is symptomatic of the over-sexualisation of our youngsters and shows the policy of value-free sex education just isn’t working.”

Today Sussex Police and the local council's children services said they have investigated the case and pledged continued support for the young parents.

Britain’s youngest known father is Sean Stewart. He became a dad at 12 when the girl next door, 15-year-old Emma Webster, gave birth in Sharnbrook, Bedford, in 1998. They split six months later.
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Old 02-13-2009, 07:21 AM   #2
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haha....i just read that article

my favorite part is the absentee dad chiding his kid...then the article states that he's had 9 children himself

this is going to become more commonplace as our 9 and 10 year old kids watch these MTV shows where contestants hook up and have sex with multiple partners and its glorified....there are shows now where parents literally pimp out their daughters to new boyfriends

its sickening and only getting worse....makes me not want to bring a kid into this world
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haha....i just read that article

my favorite part is the absentee dad chiding his kid...then the article states that he's had 9 children himself

this is going to become more commonplace as our 9 and 10 year old kids watch these MTV shows where contestants hook up and have sex with multiple partners and its glorified....there are shows now where parents literally pimp out their daughters to new boyfriends

its sickening and only getting worse....makes me not want to bring a kid into this world
just glad 2 years ago I made the decision to move from littleton to bailey. It isnt foolproof, buts its a small town where my boys will be less exposed to that culture.

Just thinking about it though, my grandmother had my mom when she was 15. Was about to put my mom up for adoption, Im glad she didnt, as I wouldnt be alive today, but I do know through stories from my mom and her herself that she was too immature to be a mom at the time.

The grandparents will have to be the parents in this case.
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The grandparents will have to be the parents in this case.

Looking at the grandparents, it that such a good idea?
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"They are living with Penny, Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in a rented council house in Eastbourne. The family live on benefits."


“I will talk to him again and it will be the birds and the bees talk. Some may say it’s too late but he needs to understand so there is not another baby.”

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Kids used to get married and kids at early ages hundreds of years ago just to give you some perspective. I would imagine this happens all the time, we just don't hear about it.
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just glad 2 years ago I made the decision to move from littleton to bailey. It isnt foolproof, buts its a small town where my boys will be less exposed to that culture.

Just thinking about it though, my grandmother had my mom when she was 15. Was about to put my mom up for adoption, Im glad she didnt, as I wouldnt be alive today, but I do know through stories from my mom and her herself that she was too immature to be a mom at the time.

The grandparents will have to be the parents in this case.

I am completely pro-life (but dont force that on others) and I'm for the freedom of the press/media...

but is it any wonder that stuff like this is happening? I mean, you put on a show on MTV where a girl is sleeping with guys and girls trying to decide

a) whether she is a lesbian or straight
b) who she is in love with

so our kids will grow up thinking that you cant find love or you dont know who you are unless u indiscriminately hook up with multiple people and there are no reprecussions on tv...

i wasn't even allowed to watch "Married with Children" growing up...that looks like "Alf" compared to some of the shows on now
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"They are living with Penny, Chantelle’s jobless dad Steve, 43, and her five brothers in a rented council house in Eastbourne. The family live on benefits."


“I will talk to him again and it will be the birds and the bees talk. Some may say it’s too late but he needs to understand so there is not another baby.”

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This is why we shouldn't give people like this benefits. We only encourage the behavior.
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I am completely pro-life (but dont force that on others) and I'm for the freedom of the press/media...

but is it any wonder that stuff like this is happening? I mean, you put on a show on MTV where a girl is sleeping with guys and girls trying to decide

a) whether she is a lesbian or straight
b) who she is in love with

so our kids will grow up thinking that you cant find love or you dont know who you are unless u indiscriminately hook up with multiple people and there are no reprecussions on tv...

i wasn't even allowed to watch "Married with Children" growing up...that looks like "Alf" compared to some of the shows on now
MTV is an abomination.
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Naw, we should let the children suffer because of the stupidity or lack of foresight on the part of the parents.

Slippery slope which may be a pet peeve, but the concern for the coldren outweighs the desire to "punish" the parent. We also do not know the circumstances to completely judge.
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Naw, we should let the children suffer because of the stupidity or lack of foresight on the part of the parents.

Slippery slope which may be a pet peeve, but the concern for the coldren outweighs the desire to "punish" the parent. We also do not know the circumstances to completely judge.
I think if it's the rule it lessons the negative results. All I can say at this point is good luck to the new parents. They are going to need it.
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They should fix everyone at birth and then make you fill out a form or pass some kind of test to make you able to have children again...after you're eighteen.
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The parents of these fornicating kids should be forced to raise the grand child. Absentee parents are to blame.
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just glad 2 years ago I made the decision to move from littleton to bailey. It isnt foolproof, buts its a small town where my boys will be less exposed to that culture.

Just thinking about it though, my grandmother had my mom when she was 15. Was about to put my mom up for adoption, Im glad she didnt, as I wouldnt be alive today, but I do know through stories from my mom and her herself that she was too immature to be a mom at the time.

The grandparents will have to be the parents in this case.
I love Bailey. That is where my brother lived before he moved to Loveland. He moved a couple years ago. Who knows, maybe you live in his old house. I believe it was on Blackbear trail.
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An extremely judgmental statement. If true you can blame multiple fathers around the nation. I know many parents who are involved in their kids lives whose kids become parents before 18. It's a "moment" thing that has entrapped many kids despite the efforts of their parents.

The most important thing right now is that the child is properly cared for and that it does not happen again. They go hand in hand, caring for that child, under the supervision of both sets of parents, will make both of those kids think twice when that "moment" happens again. Too bad it has to be such a stark reality but there is nothing like a screaming child and lack of sleep to take desire away.
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An extremely judgmental statement. If true you can blame multiple fathers around the nation. I know many parents who are involved in their kids lives whose kids become parents before 18. It's a "moment" thing that has entrapped many kids despite the efforts of their parents.

The most important thing right now is that the child is properly cared for and that it does not happen again. They go hand in hand, caring for that child, under the supervision of both sets of parents, will make both of those kids think twice when that "moment" happens again. Too bad it has to be such a stark reality but there is nothing like a screaming child and lack of sleep to take desire away.
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That ranks about a 10.0 on the dumb-o-meter.

The problem with society is not MTV, it's that parents don't teach their kids values, and society isn't "real" with them. People want to tell people abstinence is the only way, but if you think that that will stop teenagers from having sex, you are a grade A dumbass. We need to discuss abstinence and its benefits, certainly, in addition to how serious sex is and how it means something more than just a good time. But at the same time, we need to tell them about contraceptives and sexual health so that if they do get caught up in the moment or decide that they are ready, they are much less likely to get put in a situation like this.

And as for the question in the thread title, no they should not. There is no indication of neglect, and they have the support of the grandparents. What would your constitutional grounds for taking away the baby be? If it's age, great. I would sure like to take away driver's licenses from a lot of people over 75 to ensure better highway safety, but the government does not have the right to do that (it does, however, have the right to make driving tests mandatory for license renewals for 16-18 year olds and 70+ year olds, but that's not the subject of this thread).

And I love how people are acting like we are in the "worst of all possible times" right now, when we were less "pure" in the 70s. But then again, if you look at history, every generation in the history of mankind thinks that its succeeding generation is immoral and will be the ruin of humanity.
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Kids used to get married and kids at early ages hundreds of years ago just to give you some perspective. I would imagine this happens all the time, we just don't hear about it.
Times are the same like 200 years ago so let them at it. Education? Overrated when they can be helping PA in the field at the family farm. Women dont need an education. Start popping those kids out asap. Earlier the better so they can get their 12 year old body out helping in the fields. Yeah, let us bring the "good ole' days back.
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That ranks about a 10.0 on the dumb-o-meter.

The problem with society is not MTV, it's that parents don't teach their kids values, and society isn't "real" with them. People want to tell people abstinence is the only way, but if you think that that will stop teenagers from having sex, you are a grade A dumbass. We need to discuss abstinence and its benefits, certainly, in addition to how serious sex is and how it means something more than just a good time. But at the same time, we need to tell them about contraceptives and sexual health so that if they do get caught up in the moment or decide that they are ready, they are much less likely to get put in a situation like this.

And as for the question in the thread title, no they should not. There is no indication of neglect, and they have the support of the grandparents. What would your constitutional grounds for taking away the baby be? If it's age, great. I would sure like to take away driver's licenses from a lot of people over 75 to ensure better highway safety, but the government does not have the right to do that (it does, however, have the right to make driving tests mandatory for license renewals for 16-18 year olds and 70+ year olds, but that's not the subject of this thread).

And I love how people are acting like we are in the "worst of all possible times" right now, when we were less "pure" in the 70s. But then again, if you look at history, every generation in the history of mankind thinks that its succeeding generation is immoral and will be the ruin of humanity.
And for the most part they are right. A moral unraveling has coincided with every major civilization crash.
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