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Old 02-11-2009, 03:58 PM   #1
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Let me start by saying I'm a big Scheffler backer. But Josh McDaniels is going to turn this team into Patriots West (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Pats tight end Ben Watson had 49 catches in 2006. With McDaniels calling the shots, he caught 36 balls in 2007 and 22 in 2008 despite playing a ton of snaps.

I'm not sure Scheffler is so much better than Watson that McDaniels is going to change his offense to accommodate him and staying in to block ain't Tony's thing.

So, do we trade him now while his salary is low and attractive other teams (especially since he may come cheap for 2 years if a new CBA isn't done)?

Sadly, I say yes since he could bring a quality pick to help out the defense.
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Yeah, I doubt McDaniels will waste Tony like that. Ben Watson didn't catch many balls because he's an overrated crap player.
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Completely depends on what they would get for him. I'd think about it for a 2nd rounder but I think that's a pipe dream at this point. Assuming he's back, which I think is a safe assumption at this point - I hope Coach Josh will find ways to get him involved in the offense.
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Now that's the sort of analysis that helps all to understand the issues......
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Let me start by saying I'm a big Scheffler backer. But Josh McDaniels is going to turn this team into Patriots West (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Pats tight end Ben Watson had 49 catches in 2006. With McDaniels calling the shots, he caught 36 balls in 2007 and 22 in 2008 despite playing a ton of snaps.

I'm not sure Scheffler is so much better than Watson that McDaniels is going to change his offense to accommodate him and staying in to block ain't Tony's thing.

So, do we trade him now while his salary is low and attractive other teams (especially since he may come cheap for 2 years if a new CBA isn't done)?

Sadly, I say yes since he could bring a quality pick to help out the defense.
McDaniels was the de-facto OC in 2006, BTW. Every Pats fan acknowledges this.
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Part of the reason Brady racked up those numbers was he had six days to throw. Not sure McD will give up keeping the TE in. Also, the Pats threw the ball a lot more to their backs than the Broncos, which makes me think Hillis could be sitting pretty.
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McDaniels was the de-facto OC in 2006, BTW. Every Pats fan acknowledges this.
Maybe so, but as he and his offense evolved he used he tight ends less.
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Maybe so, but as he and his offense evolved he used he tight ends less.
It doesn't mean he can't use them. Scheffler was absolutely invaluable to our team. He didn't just play TE. We split him out wide and in the slot probably just as much as we had him in-tight. He's no Ben Watson.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:15 PM   #9
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if we can't get at least what we spent on him (2nd rounder), then i say no...i just don't see us getting back fair value for him...

plus i'm not sure there is a better deep threat at the TE position than Scheff...he offers a better dimension than Watson ever did...

i say keep em unless we can get a 2nd rounder for him and i don't see that happening...
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Maybe so, but as he and his offense evolved he used he tight ends less.
he evolves to what he has to work with. McDaniels has shown fantastic flexibility with his offenses. I'm sure he'll try to use all the weapons available to him, which includes Scheffler.

I personally don't expect Patriots west, I think the offense will be built around the talent it has and the teams it is attacking. I don't think McD is a one system type of guy.
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I like Scheffler and don't want him gone, but even if you don't care for him, he wouldn't get the kind of offers that would make not having him on the team worth it, so he's not going anywhere.
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Honestly, I would say to trade Daniel Graham before Tony.
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If Scheff was worth anything sure.

But at best eh would garner a 5th or 6th round pick. At best.

I dont know what the fascination is with him on this board. He is a good, not great player when he can stay on the field but the problem is, he is Nate Jackson Part II. Slightly more talent, but and hurt almost as much.

I want a real TE that can block, catch and do the electric boogaloo.
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With his injury history I don't think you would get enough to make it worth it. IMO Scheffler is more valuable the games he does play in to trade. Now if some team offered a 2nd round pick I would probably do it, but I doubt any team would. More likely if you moved Sheff you would get something like a 5th round pick.
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if a 5th round pick is all they could get, I would say hell no.
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Nah. Sheff is very valuable to this team and is dynamic. Plays the slot, splits seams up the middle. Only knock is his blocking. I don't see us getting much in return for him, since his name is not Antonio Gates or Tony G. He's not THAT kinda TE. But I like what he does, if he can stay healthy this year that's a BIG plus. The guy played through the pain for a few games so we can't really question his toughness.
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If Scheff was worth anything sure.

But at best eh would garner a 5th or 6th round pick. At best.

I dont know what the fascination is with him on this board. He is a good, not great player when he can stay on the field but the problem is, he is Nate Jackson Part II. Slightly more talent, but and hurt almost as much.

I want a real TE that can block, catch and do the electric boogaloo.
Worth much more than a 5th and 6th...Not many other TE's in the league can stretch the field the way tony could. Underused in the broncos offense, especially around the goalline. His injuries are somewhat of a concern. He's infinitely more talented than nate jackson.
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I want see how the coach will use Graham.
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Worth much more than a 5th and 6th...Not many other TE's in the league can stretch the field the way tony could. Underused in the broncos offense, especially around the goalline. His injuries are somewhat of a concern. He's infinitely more talented than nate jackson.
He's not worth more than a 5th or 6th with his injury history and lack of blocking ability.

As for infinately more talented than Nate Jackson, thats absurd. Jackson was reported as the best hands of the TEs throughout his tenure in Denver and has rarely played due to injury but continues to make the team year in and year out. Scheff isnt infinitely more talented than anyone on our Roster.

Scheff will never play a full season in the NFL.
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He's not worth more than a 5th or 6th with his injury history and lack of blocking ability.

As for infinately more talented than Nate Jackson, thats absurd. Jackson was reported as the best hands of the TEs throughout his tenure in Denver and has rarely played due to injury but continues to make the team year in and year out. Scheff isnt infinitely more talented than anyone on our Roster.

Scheff will never play a full season in the NFL.
Well, from what i've seen of jackson, there's nothing special to him. I've already seen Scheff streak down the field and catch bombs from Cutler. I've seen Tony be a force near the goaline. I've seen Tony stretch the middle of the field. I've seen Tony get good yardage off a tight end screen....i havent seen nate do much.

Scheff is still young with tremendous upside. He's not Jeb Putzier. Worth much more than a 5th or 6th.
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No we shouldnt trade Scheffler
He is a playmaker when he can stay healthy.

He adds another dimension to our offense when he is in there.
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He's not worth more than a 5th or 6th with his injury history and lack of blocking ability.

As for infinately more talented than Nate Jackson, thats absurd. Jackson was reported as the best hands of the TEs throughout his tenure in Denver and has rarely played due to injury but continues to make the team year in and year out. Scheff isnt infinitely more talented than anyone on our Roster.

Scheff will never play a full season in the NFL.
Scheff can get separation that Jackson cant.
Nate Jackson is depth, but he is nowhere near the deep threat that Scheff is.

He is worth more than a 5th rounder, he has skills that create mismatches.
Injury has plagued him, but if he can get past that he has all the tools to be an elite tight end
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Cutler and Tony have a connection that you just can't ignore. And dude can catch those laser thrown on the goal line like no one else. My thing, like most people, is that he hasn't stayed healthy. But I don't think you can throw up some stats from the Pats and suggest we don't have a place for a pass catching tight end.
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Cutler and Tony have a connection that you just can't ignore. And dude can catch those laser thrown on the goal line like no one else. My thing, like most people, is that he hasn't stayed healthy. But I don't think you can throw up some stats from the Pats and suggest we don't have a place for a pass catching tight end.
But this might be because the pats dont have a pass catching tight end. I assume, like any offensive coach, he'll tailor the offense to his strengths. Scheff is a strength
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