Broncos Trophies Full Of Juice? - The Orange Mane

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 03:34 PM

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...s-nfl-a-break/

Haven't seen this posted yet so I apologize if it's already here somewhere. Thought it was interesting. A big storm could be imminent. Only a matter of time until the NFL takes some performance enhancing drug heat of its own. Am not personally saying the glory years are tainted as Denver certainly couldn't have been the only team.

....Romanowski has been praising BALCO and its signature legal supplement, ZMA, since at least 2000, when he told Muscular Development Magazine, “Victor’s the man. … I’ve got about 90 percent of the Broncos on ZMA.”

sirhcyennek81 · 02-09-2009, 03:37 PM

Not to be funny, but Romo's numbers wouldnt certainly be accurate, considering he considers himself the entire team...

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Not to be funny, but Romo's numbers wouldnt certainly be accurate, considering he considers himself the entire team...

Indeed. I never liked him myself. Am an ENORMOUS Broncos fan, but he rubbed me the wrong way from start. *****ing psycho. Then there was the spitting incident...after he broke Shannon Sharpe's arm, that sealed the deal for me.

EDIT: Not to mention the horrendous assault in Raiders spring training. He should have gotten hard time.

broncofan7 · 02-09-2009, 03:43 PM

You do realize that ZMA is a mineral /vitamin combination product.
The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc, 400-500 mg Magnesium and ~10mg B6

If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well. He was much bigger and more defined at 30 than he was at 25. That's just not posssible for a pro athlete and is more likely to be seen in the general population (IE someone who never worked out then at the age of 30 decided to take up a fitness regiment). I would not be surprised to find that Shannon Sharpe took GH either although black males in general have higher than average testosterone levels than do other ethnic groups and that obviously can account for some level of muscularity(HIGH TESTOSTERONE also is a factor in Blacks increased risk for BPH, prostate cancer and heart disease).

frerottenextelway · 02-09-2009, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBeenToDenver

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...s-nfl-a-break/

....Romanowski has been praising BALCO and its signature legal supplement, ZMA, since at least 2000, when he told Muscular Development Magazine, “Victor’s the man. … I’ve got about 90 percent of the Broncos on ZMA.”

That's a key phrase there... not that some weren't on illegal **** too.

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncofan7

You do realize that ZMA is a mineral /vitamin combination product.
The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc, 400-500 mg Magnesium and ~10mg B6

If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well. He was much bigger and more defined at 30 than he was at 25. That's just not posssible for a pro athlete and is more likely to be seen in the general population (IE someone who never worked out then at the age of 30 decided to take up a fitness regiment). I would not be surprised to find that Shannon Sharpe took GH either although black males in general have higher than average testosterone levels than do other ethnic groups and that obviously can account for some level of muscularity(HIGH TESTOSTERONE also is a factor in Blacks increased risk for BPH, prostate cancer and heart disease).

I did see the "legal" part, yes. Am certainly not trying to rip 98-99 which were some of the best times of my entire life. But you're nuts if you think there wasn't more to it. Of course, I still say our zone blocking + TD 2K + Grand Master John carried the day.

Inkana7 · 02-09-2009, 03:51 PM

BALCO was in some nasty stuff, but Romo didn't get the Broncos involved in it. He got the team into supplements and stuff of that nature.

Reading the book, Romo, is pretty insightful into the mind of Romonowski. He's pretty honest about what he did and didn't do.

broncofan7 · 02-09-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBeenToDenver

I did see the "legal" part, yes. Am certainly not trying to rip 98-99 which were some of the best times of my entire life. But you're nuts if you think there wasn't more to it. Of course, I still say our zone blocking + TD 2K + Grand Master John carried the day.

Apparently you cannot read:

"If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well."

BroncoMan4ever · 02-09-2009, 04:21 PM

i look at it this way. Romo never got busted for baned substances and i don't recall anyone else on the SB teams getting busted either. So i really don't give a damn what they were taking.

SouthStndJunkie · 02-09-2009, 04:25 PM

Realistically, every Super Bowl winning team (and every team) since the 70s has had some players on the juice/performance enhancing drugs.

broncofan7 · 02-09-2009, 04:37 PM

The Steelers really set the precendent in the 1970's from things that I have read......

Dean · 02-09-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Realistically, every Super Bowl winning team (and every team) since the 70s has had some players on the juice/performance enhancing drugs.

Do you have some factual basis for making these assumptions?

richpjr · 02-09-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Do you have some factual basis for making these assumptions?

Oh please, it would be the height of naivete to think that players of all of those teams weren't doing something. Hell, I'd venture to say that every team in the entire league (including the Broncos) has many players taking some sort of 'riod or growth hormone.

SouthStndJunkie · 02-09-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Do you have some factual basis for making these assumptions?

Common sense.

I am not going to argue about it either....it is just my opinion.

Kaylore · 02-09-2009, 05:01 PM

He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

frerottenextelway · 02-09-2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

TD was hopped up on Zinc. That's what.

TheReverend · 02-09-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

That quote was from 2000. Who knows what stuff he shared with others. As much as Romo isn't high on my list, you'd have to be pretty despicable to indict other people when you're personally going down in that scandal.

In all honesty, it makes some sense. A lot of guys with unheralded pedigrees and "over-performing" would be an understatement.

But really, who cares? Some people are born with higher test levels than another guy. It's just a little leveling of the playing field for some... and for others, it makes it ridiculously unfair, but that's life

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by broncofan7

Apparently you cannot read:

"If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well."

You took it wrong. Wasn't directed at you so much.

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 08:15 PM

As a huge baseball fan (slightly bigger than football)...I do think the double standard is out of control. Guess it's about those sacred records and the Babe and the old time boys of summer.

Those teams were performing so far above their normal "ratings"....but it was all Terrell opening the field for the Duke and the D stepping up at the right times. Beating KC at Arrowhead was nothing but fight and guts. Ahhh, what I'd give to experience that ride again.

TheDave · 02-09-2009, 08:17 PM

They tested clean at the time... everything else is rumor and speculation.

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

They tested clean at the time... everything else is rumor and speculation.

There were tests? I doubt it? What exactly is the history of steroid testing in the NFL..am curious.

Spider · 02-09-2009, 08:23 PM

I feel smarter already

TheDave · 02-09-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBeenToDenver

There were tests? I doubt it? What exactly is the history of steroid testing in the NFL..am curious.

NFL... (unlike Baseball) began testing in 1987. Since then they have had one of the better "random" testing programs.

Personally i think the testing is a joke, but in the court of public opinion it's all that matters.

NeverBeenToDenver · 02-09-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

NFL... (unlike Baseball) began testing in 1987. Since then they have had one of the better "random" testing programs.

Personally i think the testing is a joke, but in the court of public opinion it's all that matters.

I did not know this. Very interesting..makes sense with Alzado's brand of pioneering. Baseball really shot itself in the foot with their laughably slow response. 15 years after the NFL?! Really?!

Kaylore · 02-09-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBeenToDenver

I did not know this. Very interesting..makes sense with Alzado's brand of pioneering. Baseball really shot itself in the foot with their laughably slow response. 15 years after the NFL?! Really?!

It was part of the CBA. The best testing in sports is the Olypics and its widely agreed the second best is the NFL's.

02-09-2009, 03:34 PM	#1
NeverBeenToDenver Rookie Overreact Much? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Suburban DC Posts: 83 Adopt-a-Bronco: TD's HoF BID	Broncos Trophies Full Of Juice? http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...s-nfl-a-break/ Haven't seen this posted yet so I apologize if it's already here somewhere. Thought it was interesting. A big storm could be imminent. Only a matter of time until the NFL takes some performance enhancing drug heat of its own. Am not personally saying the glory years are tainted as Denver certainly couldn't have been the only team. ....Romanowski has been praising BALCO and its signature legal supplement, ZMA, since at least 2000, when he told Muscular Development Magazine, “Victor’s the man. … I’ve got about 90 percent of the Broncos on ZMA.”

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02-09-2009, 03:37 PM	#2
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Not to be funny, but Romo's numbers wouldnt certainly be accurate, considering he considers himself the entire team...

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broncofan7 AKA "THE STANDARD" BQ looks ALMOST as good as I do Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BIG D Posts: 6,022	You do realize that ZMA is a mineral /vitamin combination product. The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc, 400-500 mg Magnesium and ~10mg B6 If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well. He was much bigger and more defined at 30 than he was at 25. That's just not posssible for a pro athlete and is more likely to be seen in the general population (IE someone who never worked out then at the age of 30 decided to take up a fitness regiment). I would not be surprised to find that Shannon Sharpe took GH either although black males in general have higher than average testosterone levels than do other ethnic groups and that obviously can account for some level of muscularity(HIGH TESTOSTERONE also is a factor in Blacks increased risk for BPH, prostate cancer and heart disease).

02-09-2009, 03:51 PM	#7
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,229 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	BALCO was in some nasty stuff, but Romo didn't get the Broncos involved in it. He got the team into supplements and stuff of that nature. Reading the book, Romo, is pretty insightful into the mind of Romonowski. He's pretty honest about what he did and didn't do.

02-09-2009, 04:21 PM	#9
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,555 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	i look at it this way. Romo never got busted for baned substances and i don't recall anyone else on the SB teams getting busted either. So i really don't give a damn what they were taking.

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SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 15,237	Realistically, every Super Bowl winning team (and every team) since the 70s has had some players on the juice/performance enhancing drugs.

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broncofan7 AKA "THE STANDARD" BQ looks ALMOST as good as I do Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BIG D Posts: 6,022	The Steelers really set the precendent in the 1970's from things that I have read......

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Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,008 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

02-09-2009, 08:15 PM	#19
NeverBeenToDenver Rookie Overreact Much? Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Suburban DC Posts: 83 Adopt-a-Bronco: TD's HoF BID	As a huge baseball fan (slightly bigger than football)...I do think the double standard is out of control. Guess it's about those sacred records and the Babe and the old time boys of summer. Those teams were performing so far above their normal "ratings"....but it was all Terrell opening the field for the Duke and the D stepping up at the right times. Beating KC at Arrowhead was nothing but fight and guts. Ahhh, what I'd give to experience that ride again.

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TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	They tested clean at the time... everything else is rumor and speculation.

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