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Old 02-08-2009, 08:13 AM   #1
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Default Another Oakland first round safety bustathon

Just heard on radio that Huff said he expects Raiders to cut him. Man that makes Patrick Bates (12th pick overall), Derick Gibson (28th overall), Micheal Huff (7th overall, ouch). Man Oakland should vow to never take a safety in the first round again.

Unbelievable that many first round safety's and not one of them any good.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:20 AM   #2
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Bring him in. Might be better then what we got now. Can't be worse.
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How can a guy with that many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highly touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a colossal failure of scouting methods? A failure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....

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Old 02-08-2009, 08:39 AM   #4
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How can a guy withthat many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highoy touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a collossal failure of scouting methods? Afailure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....
especially since safety supposed to be one of the easier positions to evaluate.
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He really must have soured. His base salary for 2009 is $945,000(still on his rookie deal) he must have som roster bonus coming up at would force the team to cut him.
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How can a guy withthat many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highoy touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a collossal failure of scouting methods? Afailure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....

The raiders can't get any quality coaching personell because al davis is a douchebag.
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The raiders can't get any quality coaching personell because al davis is a douchebag.
We just hired there linebackers coach
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He really must have soured. His base salary for 2009 is $945,000(still on his rookie deal) he must have som roster bonus coming up at would force the team to cut him.
Or he could just suck and they don't want to waste their time with him? Not every move is made with the cap ramifications as the top reason.
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We just hired there linebackers coach
Did there linebackers suck?
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Did there linebackers suck?
seemed average to me but IMO it's mostly about talent not coaching.
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They have pretty good LBs.
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He'll probably go somewhere and be pretty good. Oakland is turning into the old AZ cardinals, good players fail there, then go on to better careers somewhere else.
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seemed average to me but IMO it's mostly about talent not coaching.

It seems to me oakland has a problem getting talented coaches at higher levels and the organization as a whole tends to drag down everyone who enters it was kinda my point.
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:36 AM   #15
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well he may be a "bust", but Im sure he is better than the trash we got
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How can a guy withthat many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highoy touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a collossal failure of scouting methods? Afailure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....
He's another wonderful product of the UT system.

Why teach guys how to play good fundamental football in a pro level (or at least near pro level) system when you got the best athletes from one of the best recruiting states? Line your 11 up against theirs and know your guys are faster, stronger, and more naturally talented.

Good enough to make a bowl appearance. Of course you only rarely win nation titles despite being an annual favorite because your guys can't handle fundamentally sound teams, but I guess you can't have it all.

Huff right now is probably about where a rookie should be in terms of understanding how the game is played. Maybe not even at that point yet with how badly Oakland sucks. But he moves real good in some under armor unitards so Al Davis took him in the top 10.
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Man Id love to see that guy in a Broncos uniform.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:52 AM   #18
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I really liked him when he came out, and thought he looked great his rookie year. Definitely give him a look, Huff was as fast as anyone on the field from what I remember.

I don't know what kind of Safeties Donatell goes for, but I thought he liked guys that were pretty physical. I always thought of Huff as a pretty strong player, maybe he fits.

Huff just got a repreive from a death sentence in Oakland. He will probably get a nice contract, and be able to play in a better organization than the Raiders.
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he hasn't been cut yet
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Safety is a very difficult position to develop, imo. I wonder what the wash-out rate is for first round safeties?

I liked the idea of taking Mays if he would have come out, but in some senses... I'm almost relieved he didn't. That position is just such a gamble. I'd rather see us sign a S in FA and take swings at other positions early in the draft.
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:35 PM   #21
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Player-Year G (GS) TK INT FR TD
E. Reed, BAL (2002) 48 (47) 234 21 4 3
R. Williams, DAL (2002) 48 (48) 267 9 4 2
M. Griffin, TEN (2007) 31 (25) 121 10 1 1
T. Polamalu, PIT (2003) 48 (32) 227 7 2 2
S. Taylor, WAS (2004) 46 (44) 264 7 1 1
A. Edwards, GB (1999) 31 (4) 57 6 1 1
R. Nelson, JAX (2007) 29 (28) 114 7 0 0
A. Archuleta, STL (2001) 42 (41) 251 2 3 1
J. Allen, MIA (2006) 45 (22) 104 5 1 0
L. Landry, WAS (2007) 32 (32) 160 2 3 0
R. Anderson, CAR (2000) 27 (9) 59 1 3 1
B. Meriweather, NE (2007) 32 (10) 106 4 0 0
D. Gibson, OAK (2001) 47 (25) 144 3 1 0
D. Whitner, BUF (2006) 43 (42) 255 2 0 0
M. Huff, OAK (2006) 44 (32) 187 1 1 0
K. Phillips, NYG (2008) 16 (0) 62 1 0 0
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:39 PM   #22
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I guess they should have drafted cutler
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:49 PM   #23
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Pick him up. Draft Chung. We're set at the position for the next decade.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:05 PM   #24
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I'd have no problem if he was brought in. Like a few other said, he's still better than the trash we have now.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:16 PM   #25
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I would play like **** just to get out of Oakland too. How many years did he have left on his contract? Makes sense. It's a two year career changing plan.

1st year play horrible, get cut.

2nd year, play lights out after signing a one year deal with another team.

3rd year, BANK.
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