Another Oakland first round safety bustathon - The Orange Mane

cutthemdown · 02-08-2009, 08:13 AM

Just heard on radio that Huff said he expects Raiders to cut him. Man that makes Patrick Bates (12th pick overall), Derick Gibson (28th overall), Micheal Huff (7th overall, ouch). Man Oakland should vow to never take a safety in the first round again.

Unbelievable that many first round safety's and not one of them any good.

HILife · 02-08-2009, 08:20 AM

Bring him in. Might be better then what we got now. Can't be worse.

Paladin · 02-08-2009, 08:35 AM

How can a guy with that many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highly touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a colossal failure of scouting methods? A failure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....

cutthemdown · 02-08-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

How can a guy withthat many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highoy touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a collossal failure of scouting methods? Afailure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....

especially since safety supposed to be one of the easier positions to evaluate.

HEAV · 02-08-2009, 08:41 AM

He really must have soured. His base salary for 2009 is $945,000(still on his rookie deal) he must have som roster bonus coming up at would force the team to cut him.

ludo21 · 02-08-2009, 08:45 AM

bring him in

Bronx33 · 02-08-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

How can a guy withthat many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highoy touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a collossal failure of scouting methods? Afailure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....

The raiders can't get any quality coaching personell because al davis is a douchebag.

cutthemdown · 02-08-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

The raiders can't get any quality coaching personell because al davis is a douchebag.

We just hired there linebackers coach

Hercules Rockefeller · 02-08-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

He really must have soured. His base salary for 2009 is $945,000(still on his rookie deal) he must have som roster bonus coming up at would force the team to cut him.

Or he could just suck and they don't want to waste their time with him? Not every move is made with the cap ramifications as the top reason.

Bronx33 · 02-08-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

We just hired there linebackers coach

Did there linebackers suck?

cutthemdown · 02-08-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronx33

Did there linebackers suck?

seemed average to me but IMO it's mostly about talent not coaching.

McDman · 02-08-2009, 09:44 AM

They have pretty good LBs.

2KBack · 02-08-2009, 09:48 AM

He'll probably go somewhere and be pretty good. Oakland is turning into the old AZ cardinals, good players fail there, then go on to better careers somewhere else.

Bronx33 · 02-08-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

seemed average to me but IMO it's mostly about talent not coaching.

It seems to me oakland has a problem getting talented coaches at higher levels and the organization as a whole tends to drag down everyone who enters it was kinda my point.

Br0nc0Buster · 02-08-2009, 10:36 AM

well he may be a "bust", but Im sure he is better than the trash we got

Drek · 02-08-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

How can a guy withthat many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highoy touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a collossal failure of scouting methods? Afailure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail?

That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position.....

He's another wonderful product of the UT system.

Why teach guys how to play good fundamental football in a pro level (or at least near pro level) system when you got the best athletes from one of the best recruiting states? Line your 11 up against theirs and know your guys are faster, stronger, and more naturally talented.

Good enough to make a bowl appearance. Of course you only rarely win nation titles despite being an annual favorite because your guys can't handle fundamentally sound teams, but I guess you can't have it all.

Huff right now is probably about where a rookie should be in terms of understanding how the game is played. Maybe not even at that point yet with how badly Oakland sucks. But he moves real good in some under armor unitards so Al Davis took him in the top 10.

spdirty · 02-08-2009, 11:00 AM

Man Id love to see that guy in a Broncos uniform.

cmhargrove · 02-08-2009, 11:52 AM

I really liked him when he came out, and thought he looked great his rookie year. Definitely give him a look, Huff was as fast as anyone on the field from what I remember.

I don't know what kind of Safeties Donatell goes for, but I thought he liked guys that were pretty physical. I always thought of Huff as a pretty strong player, maybe he fits.

Huff just got a repreive from a death sentence in Oakland. He will probably get a nice contract, and be able to play in a better organization than the Raiders.

cutthemdown · 02-08-2009, 12:08 PM

he hasn't been cut yet

Popps · 02-08-2009, 12:16 PM

Safety is a very difficult position to develop, imo. I wonder what the wash-out rate is for first round safeties?

I liked the idea of taking Mays if he would have come out, but in some senses... I'm almost relieved he didn't. That position is just such a gamble. I'd rather see us sign a S in FA and take swings at other positions early in the draft.

cutthemdown · 02-08-2009, 12:35 PM

Player-Year	G (GS)	TK	INT	FR	TD
E. Reed, BAL (2002)	48 (47)	234	21	4	3
R. Williams, DAL (2002)	48 (48)	267	9	4	2
M. Griffin, TEN (2007)	31 (25)	121	10	1	1
T. Polamalu, PIT (2003)	48 (32)	227	7	2	2
S. Taylor, WAS (2004)	46 (44)	264	7	1	1
A. Edwards, GB (1999)	31 (4)	57	6	1	1
R. Nelson, JAX (2007)	29 (28)	114	7	0	0
A. Archuleta, STL (2001)	42 (41)	251	2	3	1
J. Allen, MIA (2006)	45 (22)	104	5	1	0
L. Landry, WAS (2007)	32 (32)	160	2	3	0
R. Anderson, CAR (2000)	27 (9)	59	1	3	1
B. Meriweather, NE (2007)	32 (10)	106	4	0	0
D. Gibson, OAK (2001)	47 (25)	144	3	1	0
D. Whitner, BUF (2006)	43 (42)	255	2	0	0
M. Huff, OAK (2006)	44 (32)	187	1	1	0
K. Phillips, NYG (2008)	16 (0)	62	1	0	0

bronco militia · 02-08-2009, 12:39 PM

I guess they should have drafted cutler

Doggcow · 02-08-2009, 12:49 PM

Pick him up. Draft Chung. We're set at the position for the next decade.

Dukes · 02-08-2009, 01:05 PM

I'd have no problem if he was brought in. Like a few other said, he's still better than the trash we have now.

Sodak · 02-08-2009, 01:16 PM

I would play like **** just to get out of Oakland too. How many years did he have left on his contract? Makes sense. It's a two year career changing plan.

1st year play horrible, get cut.

2nd year, play lights out after signing a one year deal with another team.

3rd year, BANK.

02-08-2009, 08:13 AM	#1
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,878	Another Oakland first round safety bustathon Just heard on radio that Huff said he expects Raiders to cut him. Man that makes Patrick Bates (12th pick overall), Derick Gibson (28th overall), Micheal Huff (7th overall, ouch). Man Oakland should vow to never take a safety in the first round again. Unbelievable that many first round safety's and not one of them any good.

02-08-2009, 08:35 AM	#3
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,152	How can a guy with that many skills be a "bust"? I mean he was highly touted by a lot of people when he was drafted. Is it coaching? Is it complacency? Is it a colossal failure of scouting methods? A failure to measure the "intangibles"? Did the Wonderlic fail? That's a terribly large number of failures in the same position..... Last edited by Paladin; 02-08-2009 at 01:17 PM..

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02-08-2009, 08:20 AM	#2
HILife Ring of Famer Mrs. Alicia Hilife Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: DC - NOVA - DMV - VA - Take your pick Posts: 3,459	Bring him in. Might be better then what we got now. Can't be worse.

02-08-2009, 08:41 AM	#5
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	He really must have soured. His base salary for 2009 is $945,000(still on his rookie deal) he must have som roster bonus coming up at would force the team to cut him.

02-08-2009, 08:45 AM	#6
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,977 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	bring him in

02-08-2009, 09:44 AM	#12
McDman Ring of Famer Huzzah! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 3,704 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	They have pretty good LBs.

02-08-2009, 09:48 AM	#13
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,283	He'll probably go somewhere and be pretty good. Oakland is turning into the old AZ cardinals, good players fail there, then go on to better careers somewhere else.

02-08-2009, 10:36 AM	#15
Br0nc0Buster 2012 AFC West Champs Superbowl or Bust Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,465	well he may be a "bust", but Im sure he is better than the trash we got

02-08-2009, 11:00 AM	#17
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	Man Id love to see that guy in a Broncos uniform.

02-08-2009, 11:52 AM	#18
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,423 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I really liked him when he came out, and thought he looked great his rookie year. Definitely give him a look, Huff was as fast as anyone on the field from what I remember. I don't know what kind of Safeties Donatell goes for, but I thought he liked guys that were pretty physical. I always thought of Huff as a pretty strong player, maybe he fits. Huff just got a repreive from a death sentence in Oakland. He will probably get a nice contract, and be able to play in a better organization than the Raiders.

02-08-2009, 12:08 PM	#19
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,878	he hasn't been cut yet

02-08-2009, 12:16 PM	#20
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	Safety is a very difficult position to develop, imo. I wonder what the wash-out rate is for first round safeties? I liked the idea of taking Mays if he would have come out, but in some senses... I'm almost relieved he didn't. That position is just such a gamble. I'd rather see us sign a S in FA and take swings at other positions early in the draft.

02-08-2009, 12:39 PM	#22
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,711	I guess they should have drafted cutler

02-08-2009, 12:49 PM	#23
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,340 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Pick him up. Draft Chung. We're set at the position for the next decade.

02-08-2009, 01:05 PM	#24
Dukes Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,325	I'd have no problem if he was brought in. Like a few other said, he's still better than the trash we have now.

02-08-2009, 01:16 PM	#25
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	I would play like **** just to get out of Oakland too. How many years did he have left on his contract? Makes sense. It's a two year career changing plan. 1st year play horrible, get cut. 2nd year, play lights out after signing a one year deal with another team. 3rd year, BANK.