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Old 02-02-2009, 10:18 AM   #1
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Harrison: 6'0, 242 lbs.
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Watching the game last night, I was thinking if in the 3-4 with the right coaching, could Dumervil be a poor man's Harrison? What do you guys think?
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:19 AM   #2
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If he starts taking HGH like Harrison it's possible...
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yesterday, Harrison looked like he was 260-280 lbs
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:23 AM   #4
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Not too well. He can't cover in space like Harrison can. I think Denver runs a system similar to the cards with 5 DL and 2 LB's and call it a 3-4/4-3 hybrid and use him more like C. Okefor of the Cards.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:28 AM   #6
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It's worth a look in Mini camp.
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Not too well. He can't cover in space like Harrison can.
That's my concern, Dumervil playing in space. Although I'm not too familiar with Harrison's ability to do so as well. Obviously he picked off a slant for a TD last night, but that wasn't playing in a lot of space.

Anyway, just seemed like food for thought.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:35 AM   #8
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Maybe a homeless man's Harrison. Dude was defensive player of the year, lets not get carried away.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:38 AM   #9
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That's my concern, Dumervil playing in space. Although I'm not too familiar with Harrison's ability to do so as well. Obviously he picked off a slant for a TD last night, but that wasn't playing in a lot of space.

Anyway, just seemed like food for thought.
Harrison is decent in coverage and isn't a complete liability. I can't see dropping Elvis back and have him not be a liability. I have flashbacks of Sproles/LT on the circle route like early in the year or LT/Ekuban on sunday night a few years back.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:43 AM   #10
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To answer the question, Not well, Harrison is a complete player. He is a proven LB as well as a rushing DE while Doom is..... well Doom. Let's see what the coaches do in camp this year.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:47 AM   #12
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I dont think Elvis punches people while their down either.
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Harrison was an OLB in college and used to playing coverage and standing up. None of that Dumervil did. Not saying it's impossible for Dumervil to convert and play OLB well, but it's unlikely.
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Harrison and Doom look like they shouldn't even be on the same field. (And I like Doom.) Harrison is a beast. An intimidating, awful beast. Did you see him punching and shoving the other players? Also, he looks like he outweighs Doom by 40 pounds, at least. That's a true LB. Doom is a nice player, but will never be a game changer the way Harrison is.

On a related not, Doom is a perfect example of the failed, and hopefully now retired Denver approach: draft undersized "projects", often soft, often with an injury history, and hope they develop into something. What we need to be doing is getting bigger, and tougher.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:03 AM   #16
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Doom is a specialty player...

put him in on passing downs and draft Everett Brown for the other side...

with those two bulldogs we may not have to blitz on passing downs ever...
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No reason for it really, but i just cant picture it.
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I think if Doom loses a little weight and works on playing in space he can be a poor mans Harrison. He is not as good in space but that is not either one of their main roles, its more of a switch up, and he could get good enough in space to be functional in that role. He won't be as good as Harrison, of course, but he could be a similar style player and pretty effective in the same sort of role.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:16 AM   #19
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Watching the game last night, I was thinking if in the 3-4 with the right coaching, could Dumervil be a poor man's Harrison? What do you guys think?
Umm I don't know, how does Glenn Martinez compare to Larry Fitzgerald?
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:17 AM   #20
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Harrsion was cut twice by Pitts and once by Balt before "catching" on so let's not assume he's some sort of great player Pitts knew what the hell they had

Both Collier and Mecklenberg think Doom can succeed and be a force in a 3-4
We'll have to wait and see but maybe the scheme change will do Doom good.
Something clicked for Harrison.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:19 AM   #21
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It's funny how specialized pass rushing can be. Elvis has the natural instinct to be an elite "round the corner" pass rusher. However, I have been very disappointed on how slow he seems chasing anyone across the field. Maybe that could be changed with coaching and conditioning, maybe not.

Elvis has always responded to a challenge and gives it his all. If he can transition to 3-4 LB, it will be a coup for our new coaching staff.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:23 AM   #22
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I think Harrison Gets too much credit. Everyone else on that D is good. Look at all the people who have played that same position and excelled. When doom lined up wide in the bates splits he was a very good player last year. He would be even better rushing the passer and stopping the run with a 3-4 DE inside of him.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:47 AM   #23
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Hehehe, there is no way in hell Harrison is 242, I am about 242 and I can run a 100 yards faster than him without collapsing at the end. He is 270 at least, the man is huge.
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They both wear #92. That's about it.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:22 PM   #25
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Doom would be more like Woodley in a 3-4. Nearly the same size and 40. Both were very productive at getting to the QB in college. Now, our Harrison is going to be Suggs.
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