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Old 02-01-2009, 08:23 PM   #1
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It's the Superbowl, you have the ball on the 1 yard line with 20 seconds to go and you can either tie the game going into the half with a FG at worst but you still have a few shots to take at a TD. You don't want to run because you have no more time out so everybody in the WORLD knows you are going to pass the ball.


I don't know, if it's me calling the plays. There is one play I want to call more then any other and there is 1 play that I would never call in that situation.

The 1 play I want to call is a corner fade to Fitz. The reward is high (because Fits is amazing at coming down with that catch) vs risk (most likely if Fitz doesn't catch it, it's gonna be incomplete).

The 1 play I don't want to call is the quick slant. The risk on that play is way too high. You could have somebody tip the pass and get an INT or you could have a LB jump the route and pick it and the chances he could return it a long way is very high.

Yeah, Kurt threw that pick that cost them the game but man o man, what was Haley thinking calling that play. How do you not just throw that corner fade to Fitz? At worst you are going into the half tied. That was the safest play and probably the highest chance of getting a TD both in the same play.
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Old 02-01-2009, 08:25 PM   #2
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I was thinking inside slant or fade to fitz...so I guess Im just as dumb as Todd Haley.
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Agreed. Remember Griese throwing that same pass to Woodson who returned it for a TD in the home game against the Raiders about 7 years ago? Maybe 6 years ago.

SAME FREAKIN PLAY, SAME FREAKIN RESULT.

I dont know why Fitz wasnt more involved early on. I was on the fence about him being the best receiver in teh game, Im not anymore. Id take Fitz over anyone in the league.
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He was thinking "I hope to god I can blame the refs if they pick this off and run it back for six!"
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He was thinking "I hope to god I can blame the refs if they pick this off and run it back for six!"
Now you are being a douche and deserve every bit of "crucifying" you get from this point forward.
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Agreed. Remember Griese throwing that same pass to Woodson who returned it for a TD in the home game against the Raiders about 7 years ago? Maybe 6 years ago.

SAME FREAKIN PLAY, SAME FREAKIN RESULT.

I dont know why Fitz wasnt more involved early on. I was on the fence about him being the best receiver in teh game, Im not anymore. Id take Fitz over anyone in the league.
I would even over B Marsh ,and i love the hell out of B Marsh's play
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I was thinking inside slant or fade to fitz...so I guess Im just as dumb as Todd Haley.
you said it . not me
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I would even over B Marsh ,and i love the hell out of B Marsh's play
Hell yeah. He made some BMarsh type moves and runs the slant as well as Rice ever did IMO. and he has the best hands in the league. Maybe Calvin Johnson is as good, its hard to say, but Fitz is absolutely incredible.
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I think that was a case of tendencies playing out. (I have no evidence for this other than my own observations) It seems as the Pitt recognized a tendency from AZ and Warner to throw that inside slant on short yardage and goalline plays. Good on LeBeau and bad on Haley and Warner for playing to their tendencies.

Still hindsight is 20/20.
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The corner fade is a good safe play but with Fitz, not only is it a safe play (in that situation) but it's a great chance of getting the TD. In football you have to take risks but it's not often that the safest play is also your best chance for scoring a TD. To me, it was a total no brainer. So what did they do the next time they got in that situation, they threw the fade to Fitz and you saw what happened.
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I was thinking inside slant or fade to fitz...so I guess Im just as dumb as Todd Haley.
In the red zone inside the 5, the inside slant is extremely dangerous. The linemen have a high chance of tipping the ball and you have 3 or 4 LBs/Safeties in that central part of the field where the slant is going.

The fade to Fitz or even Boldin or Breaston as any of them could have done it, is easily the least risky of the play calls and why it is called so often. There is almost a 99% chance of the outcome being a TD or incomplete and probably less than a 1% chance the pass gets picked and no chance it gets tipped at the line.
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My opinion in that situation has always been that if you can't lineup and win the physical battle at the line of scrimmage to allow the QB or RB to run it in, you don't deserve the points/first down, w/e the situation is.
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My opinion in that situation has always been that if you can't lineup and win the physical battle at the line of scrimmage to allow the QB or RB to run it in, you don't deserve the points/first down, w/e the situation is.
Neither team ran the ball well, and I think that the Card's O Line protected better than the Steelers' did.
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Now you are being a douche and deserve every bit of "crucifying" you get from this point forward.
You guys brought it on yourselves by lashing out at me. Now I can savor the victory.
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My opinion in that situation has always been that if you can't lineup and win the physical battle at the line of scrimmage to allow the QB or RB to run it in, you don't deserve the points/first down, w/e the situation is.
That kind of opinion will lose you games in situational game management.

20 seconds, no timeouts, chance of getting stuffed and not even getting a field goal to tie it? The inside slant wasnt a great call but running it wasnt an option given the situation.
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You guys brought it on yourselves by lashing out at me. Now I can savor the victory.
Savor what victory?

Did you get a Superbowl ring?

You damn sure didnt win anything on the internetz retard.
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That kind of opinion will lose you games in situational game management.

20 seconds, no timeouts, chance of getting stuffed and not even getting a field goal to tie it? The inside slant wasnt a great call but running it wasnt an option given the situation.
If you don't think you can get the yard, just the kick the FG then and there.

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Neither team ran the ball well, and I think that the Card's O Line protected better than the Steelers' did.
We're not talking about establishing/maintaining a ground attack through out the game. We're talking about getting 1 yard on one play.
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Savor what victory?

Did you get a Superbowl ring?

You damn sure didnt win anything on the internetz retard.
Did Rev pass the torch on to you?
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My opinion in that situation has always been that if you can't lineup and win the physical battle at the line of scrimmage to allow the QB or RB to run it in, you don't deserve the points/first down, w/e the situation is.
So what you're basically saying is you don't think any team should ever pass the ball inside the 5 yard line. Okay, so with your logic, a team would easily be able to stop you from doing just that (running it in) when they know you are not going to pass at all. The would just stuff all 11 players inside the box. Dude, think about it.
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So what you're basically saying is you don't think any team should ever pass the ball inside the 5 yard line.
That's not what I said at all. Think about it.
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I was thinking run the ball and ram it down their throat...and then come back and score after the half and win the game...18 sec on the 3, 1st and goal...you run the ball...
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Did Rev pass the torch on to you?
No dip****, Rev was holding the torch for me while I was gone.

Im the original a-hole around these parts. Everyone else is just a knockoff.
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If you don't think you can get the yard, just the kick the FG then and there.



We're not talking about establishing/maintaining a ground attack through out the game. We're talking about getting 1 yard on one play.
What? With 18 seconds you and an incomplete pass you get another chance. With 18 seconds and a run and failure you dont get a chance at the FG.

Thats not good logic Atwater. you go with the chances and what gives you the most opportunities to score. As a coach, you have to assume that there is a possibility every play might fail as the other team gets paid to play too (except Denvers defense, they get paid but they dont play). With that in mind in that situation, the fade route to Fitz gave you 1) the best chance to score 2) the best chance to have a second chance to score and 3) the best chance to not turn the ball over.
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I think a fade to Fitz would of been the best call, but I dont really blame Haley for Warner messing up.
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