Prohormones

[TheReverend]

I know this isn't a BB forum, but I know of at least a few people here that take working out seriously, so was wondering if anyone here has taken prohormones after plateauing in the gym.

Since the precursor cutdown took away my andro, I played with Methyl 1 Test, which was nice but quickly banned (I think?), Methyl 1 D XL which actually worked pretty damn well for just being a DHEA chemical, and Mass FX. Ordering some Havoc after reading some rave reviews.

Anyone else take PHs? Anyone more knowledgeable that can school us all up?

[Ninjatime]

[TheReverend]

Solid addition. Thanks...

[Smiling Assassin27]

Buying prohormones is banned in America, no? I was under the impression that prohormones WERE precursors. I guess there are some like Superdrol but I can't recall seeing any good reviews. You may have already seen this read:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek14.htm

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Buying prohormones is banned in America, no? I was under the impression that prohormones WERE precursors. I guess there are some like Superdrol but I can't recall seeing any good reviews. You may have already seen this read:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek14.htm

Naaaaaaaaaaa.

My understanding of it is they targeted the precursors that were just missing one of the steroid compounds but it would get added into your system when the chemical hit your liver.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Naaaaaaaaaaa.

My understanding of it is they targeted the precursors that were just missing one of the steroid compounds but it would get added into your system when the chemical hit your liver.

The Devil's always in the details..

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

The Devil's always in the details..

The funny thing is, the FDA's crack down on precursors has made them so difficult to find (hypothetically speaking) that it's easier to just get steroids (hypothetically speaking). Kinda defeats the purpose, no?

[TheDave]

They are a waste of time Rev... way to many drawbacks. Most of them aromitize into estrogen just as easily as testosterone. Not real good for muscle growth.

Stick to a good protein/creatine/glutamine stack and you should get 90% of whatever a ph would of done... minus the b****boobies.

[Finger Roll]

I cycled with 17hd. Which is some plant that improves testosteroine levels

[Finger Roll]

trying using kettlebells. They helped me

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TheDave

They are a waste of time Rev... way to many drawbacks. Most of them aromitize into estrogen just as easily as testosterone. Not real good for muscle growth.

Stick to a good protein/creatine/glutamine stack and you should get 90% of whatever a ph would of done... minus the b****boobies.

I'm 1.5 weeks into a 4 week 30/30/30/30 cycle of Havoc RPN. Gone up 10 lbs in that time period and over 20 lbs in every excercise.

Haven't experienced ANY negative side effects (hair loss, acne, gyno, etc), but I've been smart with liver protection, diet, dosing, etc.

We'll see how I finish over the next few weeks and if it all stays after my post cycle therapy.

Aside from the absurd strength gains, this stuff makes me feel 15 again, and I've completely worn out several girls, and I'll probably need a new keyboard at home Also, it brings a different... feeling to you. Not a high but more... alpha male? Hard to explain and that might just be a placebo effect.

I'll keep updated and am willing to post before/after pics if anyone thinks I'm bull****ting.

[Malcontent]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I'm 1.5 weeks into a 4 week 30/30/30/30 cycle of Havoc RPN. Gone up 10 lbs in that time period and over 20 lbs in every excercise.

Haven't experienced ANY negative side effects (hair loss, acne, gyno, etc), but I've been smart with liver protection, diet, dosing, etc.

We'll see how I finish over the next few weeks and if it all stays after my post cycle therapy.

Aside from the absurd strength gains, this stuff makes me feel 15 again, and I've completely worn out several girls, and I'll probably need a new keyboard at home Also, it brings a different... feeling to you. Not a high but more... alpha male? Hard to explain and that might just be a placebo effect.

I'll keep updated and am willing to post before/after pics if anyone thinks I'm bull****ting.

New keyboard=Roid Rage?

[skpac1001]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I'm 1.5 weeks into a 4 week 30/30/30/30 cycle of Havoc RPN. Gone up 10 lbs in that time period and over 20 lbs in every excercise.

Haven't experienced ANY negative side effects (hair loss, acne, gyno, etc), but I've been smart with liver protection, diet, dosing, etc.

We'll see how I finish over the next few weeks and if it all stays after my post cycle therapy.

Aside from the absurd strength gains, this stuff makes me feel 15 again, and I've completely worn out several girls, and I'll probably need a new keyboard at home Also, it brings a different... feeling to you. Not a high but more... alpha male? Hard to explain and that might just be a placebo effect.

I'll keep updated and am willing to post before/after pics if anyone thinks I'm bull****ting.

Crap. That would be good results for 1.5 weeks on Test. You have been working out for a while before using them, right? I may have to get in on this.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Malcontent

New keyboard=Roid Rage?

No no, it's a sentence talking about how my sex drive is like I'm 15 again and I've worn out several girls.

Now using context clues...

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by skpac1001

Crap. That would be good results for 1.5 weeks on Test. You have been working out for a while before using them, right? I may have to get in on this.

Yeah, I worked out for bulk for football from 15-20, and peaked at 192. No amount of diet could get me past my plateau.

In the Marine Corps, it's all overtraining for endurance so my weight slipped to 165-175, but I could pump out 42 pull ups (no kipping).

I got lazy for a year after that but got back into the gym hard a year and a half ago with my diet straight for optimal protein synthesis and caloric intake.

Might want to wait until I finish so I can give a comprehensive report on it, but so far everything's going great... and this is with bum knees that force me to sub leg presses for squats (the bread and butter of work outs).

[skpac1001]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Yeah, I worked out for bulk for football from 15-20, and peaked at 192. No amount of diet could get me past my plateau.

In the Marine Corps, it's all overtraining for endurance so my weight slipped to 165-175, but I could pump out 42 pull ups (no kipping).

I got lazy for a year after that but got back into the gym hard a year and a half ago with my diet straight for optimal protein synthesis and caloric intake.

Might want to wait until I finish so I can give a comprehensive report on it, but so far everything's going great... and this is with bum knees that force me to sub leg presses for squats (the bread and butter of work outs).

Yes, please keep us updated as you go.

42 pull ups, no kipping. That is crazy. I was pretty damn happy hitting 20 while kipping the hell out of every one. Were you a rock climber or something? Most people don't bother training their back seriously.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by skpac1001

Yes, please keep us updated as you go.

42 pull ups, no kipping. That is crazy. I was pretty damn happy hitting 20 while kipping the hell out of every one. Were you a rock climber or something? Most people don't bother training their back seriously.

Haha, no **** and it was still a long ways off from the MCRD record. I think it was directly related from working out so long and hard and being strong for 190 and then dropping down to 160 at the time.

Edit: I do them underhand too. Supposed to be harder to sustain but much easier for me.

[skpac1001]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Haha, no **** and it was still a long ways off from the MCRD record. I think it was directly related from working out so long and hard and being strong for 190 and then dropping down to 160 at the time.

Edit: I do them underhand too. Supposed to be harder to sustain but much easier for me.

Parris Island or San Diego? High pull-up counts at Parris Island are less impressive since your really just trying to stay away from the sand fleas.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by skpac1001

Parris Island or San Diego? High pull-up counts at Parris Island are less impressive since your really just trying to stay away from the sand fleas.

Hollywood

[HILife]

Originally Posted by Ninjatime

[HILife]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I know this isn't a BB forum, but I know of at least a few people here that take working out seriously, so was wondering if anyone here has taken prohormones after plateauing in the gym.

Since the precursor cutdown took away my andro, I played with Methyl 1 Test, which was nice but quickly banned (I think?), Methyl 1 D XL which actually worked pretty damn well for just being a DHEA chemical, and Mass FX. Ordering some Havoc after reading some rave reviews.

Anyone else take PHs? Anyone more knowledgeable that can school us all up?

I've toyed with the idea of picking up somehting like that at GNC. I hear they really do some amazing things, but I'm really worried about the side effects which is why I never used them. I just stick to my protien shakes. I've taken Creatine before back in my senior year of high school with protien shakes and my numbers went up Alot in a few months. I think I went up 50lbs on my bench in like 3 months.

My squats and deadlifts made an even bigger jump. I think my final numbers before I stopped working out where 275 bench, 395 squats (had bad knees so couldn't do alot, but I was doing 10reps of 3 sets with atleast 630 on the leg press) and 495 deadlifts. I use to entry the high school power lifting compitations and did pretty well in my weight class at 196.

Unfortantly I got lazy after that and stopped working out and lost everything I gainned. several years later I'm back to working out only now I put alot of bad weight on. Hope to get back the strength I use to have and then go past that. If possible I would like to get a 350 bench, although I don't know if I have the genetics to get that high.

[HILife]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I know this isn't a BB forum, but I know of at least a few people here that take working out seriously, so was wondering if anyone here has taken prohormones after plateauing in the gym.

Since the precursor cutdown took away my andro, I played with Methyl 1 Test, which was nice but quickly banned (I think?), Methyl 1 D XL which actually worked pretty damn well for just being a DHEA chemical, and Mass FX. Ordering some Havoc after reading some rave reviews.

Anyone else take PHs? Anyone more knowledgeable that can school us all up?

What kind of workout do you do? Do you have a certain nutrition plan you follow. I'm try adjust my plan, which is pretty much go to the gym, workout, take a protien shake, go home. Not the best plan.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by hilife

What kind of workout do you do? Do you have a certain nutrition plan you follow. I'm try adjust my plan, which is pretty much go to the gym, workout, take a protien shake, go home. Not the best plan.

I've tried the Ronnie Coleman, Rippetoe, and all the 6 day work outs, but what seems to have worked best for me over time is a pretty simple 3 day 5x5... though I've added more the past couple weeks because I'm not feeling overtrained at all from Havoc.

Monday:
Leg Press 5x5
Flat Bench 5x5
Military Press 5x5
Seated Rows 5x5
Straight bar curls 3x8
Chest flies 3x8

Wednesday:
Incline Bench 5x5
Lat Pull downs (underhand) 5x5
Leg Extensions and curls 3x8 (each)

Friday:
Deadlifts 1x5
Flat Bench 5x5
Military Press 5x5
Seated Rows 5x5
Straight bar curls 3x8
Chest flies 3x8

Diet:
Tuna Salad Breakfast Daily
Lunch 1 is usually a fatty meal along with high proteins and carbs
Lunch 2 is high protein and complex carbs 60-90 minutes pre workout
Immediately after work out is a whey protein shake
Dinner 1 High protein and high carb meal
Dinner 2 Usually seafood... and usually a few servings of shrimp coctail
Pre-sleep another whey protein shake

Also take multi-vitamins twice a day... probably piss most of it out, but it's pretty much become ritual.

I'd recommend hitting up this place:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com

Tons of people way more knowledgeable than me (professional nutritionists, body builders, power lifters, athletes, and some smokin hot fitness model girls) and nearly an infinite amount of resources on every topic.

[HILife]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I've tried the Ronnie Coleman, Rippetoe, and all the 6 day work outs, but what seems to have worked best for me over time is a pretty simple 3 day 5x5... though I've added more the past couple weeks because I'm not feeling overtrained at all from Havoc.

Monday:
Leg Press 5x5
Flat Bench 5x5
Military Press 5x5
Seated Rows 5x5
Straight bar curls 3x8
Chest flies 3x8

Wednesday:
Incline Bench 5x5
Lat Pull downs (underhand) 5x5
Leg Extensions and curls 3x8 (each)

Friday:
Deadlifts 1x5
Flat Bench 5x5
Military Press 5x5
Seated Rows 5x5
Straight bar curls 3x8
Chest flies 3x8

Diet:
Tuna Salad Breakfast Daily
Lunch 1 is usually a fatty meal along with high proteins and carbs
Lunch 2 is high protein and complex carbs 60-90 minutes pre workout
Immediately after work out is a whey protein shake
Dinner 1 High protein and high carb meal
Dinner 2 Usually seafood... and usually a few servings of shrimp coctail
Pre-sleep another whey protein shake

Also take multi-vitamins twice a day... probably piss most of it out, but it's pretty much become ritual.

I'd recommend hitting up this place:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com

Tons of people way more knowledgeable than me (professional nutritionists, body builders, power lifters, athletes, and some smokin hot fitness model girls) and nearly an infinite amount of resources on every topic.

Thanks for the info and the site. I will check it out.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

I'm 1.5 weeks into a 4 week 30/30/30/30 cycle of Havoc RPN. Gone up 10 lbs in that time period and over 20 lbs in every excercise.

Haven't experienced ANY negative side effects (hair loss, acne, gyno, etc), but I've been smart with liver protection, diet, dosing, etc.

We'll see how I finish over the next few weeks and if it all stays after my post cycle therapy.

Aside from the absurd strength gains, this stuff makes me feel 15 again, and I've completely worn out several girls, and I'll probably need a new keyboard at home Also, it brings a different... feeling to you. Not a high but more... alpha male? Hard to explain and that might just be a placebo effect.

I'll keep updated and am willing to post before/after pics if anyone thinks I'm bull****ting.

Glad to hear it is working for you... just don't come cryin' to me if you start lactating in the next few months.