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Old 01-26-2009, 03:04 PM   #26
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Why does the ACC have an automatic berth? ever since the bottom fell out of Miami that division has sucked.

I can see the argument for Big-12, Big-12 and SEC, they consistently put up good teams, but ACC, Big-East and PAC-10 are just not good enough. I don't think USC's success is enough to warrant that division getting as much attention as it does.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:13 PM   #27
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I have a great memory and the MWC does not consistently put up 3+ good teams year in and year out.

Maybe to ****ty non-BCS conferences they put up good teams every year.
The MWC is going to add Boise State as a Member to its conference either this summer when the MWC presidents meet up for review, or the next time they have a review in a couple years. I think it's best to leave Boise State in the WAC for now while they can pile up wins and have perhaps a better shot to play in a BCS game with a weak conference than being in the MWC.

The reason is, as stated in the article, the BCS reviews the strength of the Conference over the years by rankings and wins. However if the BCS says, we'll add you if you add BSU to the conference...then BSU will be added.

But that's where it stops for expansion. I don't want the MWC to be a WAC-16 conference...which was the reason the MWC members left the WAC.

The MWC isn't going to get AQ status immediately, but Thompson is setting the stage for down the road.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:19 PM   #28
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I can see the argument for Big-12, Big-12 and SEC, they consistently put up good teams, but ACC, Big-East and PAC-10 are just not good enough. I don't think USC's success is enough to warrant that division getting as much attention as it does.
I am assuming you meant the Big Ten among the conferences that should be included?

BTW, the Big Ten hasn't won a Rose Bowl in nine years. They just finished the bowl season at 1-6. When was the last time the Big Ten won a big game against another conference?
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:37 PM   #29
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**** the BCS lets get a playoff going. Utah got screwed this year and i don't give a **** what anyone thinks.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:46 PM   #30
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I have a great memory and the MWC does not consistently put up 3+ good teams year in and year out.

Maybe to ****ty non-BCS conferences they put up good teams every year.
They have consistently put up more good teams over the past decade than the Big 12 north, so maybe they should kick out the Big 12 North and Baylor and add the MWC. Your argument is just as ridiculous as mine.

MWC is not a great conference, but its not a bad conference either like Big East... its probably better than the PAC 10 considering the consistency of the Utah schools, the staying power of TCU, and the random toss up you get out of one of the three front range schools. Put em into the BCS permanently and you'll get a lot more high school kids eager to attend a MWC school, therefore making their programs all the better.
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Well since the Pac-10 and MWC don't play a conference championship game they can play each other for the automatic bid.
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:19 PM   #32
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Well since the Pac-10 and MWC don't play a conference championship game they can play each other for the automatic bid.
Thats a damn good answer there.
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Why does the ACC have an automatic berth? ever since the bottom fell out of Miami that division has sucked.

I can see the argument for Big-12, Big-12 and SEC, they consistently put up good teams, but ACC, Big-East and PAC-10 are just not good enough. I don't think USC's success is enough to warrant that division getting as much attention as it does.
$$$$$ that's why.
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:23 PM   #34
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MWC is not a great conference, but its not a bad conference either like Big East... its probably better than the PAC 10 considering the consistency of the Utah schools, the staying power of TCU, and the random toss up you get out of one of the three front range schools.
I am the biggest supporter of the MWC, but lets not go overboard with the Pac-10 hate here. You mention BYU-Utah-TCU as a pillar of strength for the MWC, but USC-Oregon-California has been a consistent trio for the Pac-10 this decade.

I think where the Pac-10 distances itself from the MWC and Big Ten are the middle-of-pack schools. It's a dogfight in the middle. Dennis Erickson (Arizona St.), Jim Harbaugh (Stanford) and Rick Neuheisel (UCLA) are big-time coaches who recruit well and they will give Oregon-Cal a run for their money in the short-term.

I haven't even mentioned the Oregon St. program that has been a consistent bowl team this decade with a BCS bowl win under their belt.

Washington is in the dumps right now, but they were the best Pac-10 program in the 90s and they have the tradition, prestige, facilities and alumni to restore the program.

Pac-10 is not in the same class as the SEC or Big XII, but I think they have a strong case for the #3-4 spot among conferences. They were also the only conference to finish their bowl season (5-0) undefeated.
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:56 PM   #36
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First off, the BCS suxs ballz. There is no National Champion in football without a playoff. Div I football throws it's hat in the ring with ice skating and gymnastics with their voting in a champ, except the criterion are more ambiguous with the NCAA.

I think the MWC has a case when the Big East and the ACC are so mediocre for so long lately. They would have a stronger case if they poached Boise State, Hawaii, and UNR, and trimmed off their dredges.

Oh for a playoff, where the only folks with a gripe is #13 or #17. And I won't really feel sorry for whoever that is.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:28 PM   #37
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yes, the bcs does suck....how tough would it be to have a playoff of conference champions only.....make the season count. According to this sight, there are only 12 fbs conferences....easy math there.

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Old 01-26-2009, 05:52 PM   #38
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They could bump it up to 16 easy and add a few wild cards. Only three extra games per season if you make it the championship. It's not like they play any football for a month and a half.
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I think where the Pac-10 distances itself from the MWC and Big Ten are the middle-of-pack schools. It's a dogfight in the middle. Dennis Erickson (Arizona St.), Jim Harbaugh (Stanford) and Rick Neuheisel (UCLA) are big-time coaches who recruit well and they will give Oregon-Cal a run for their money in the short-term.

I haven't even mentioned the Oregon St. program that has been a consistent bowl team this decade with a BCS bowl win under their belt.

Washington is in the dumps right now, but they were the best Pac-10 program in the 90s and they have the tradition, prestige, facilities and alumni to restore the program.

Pac-10 is not in the same class as the SEC or Big XII, but I think they have a strong case for the #3-4 spot among conferences. They were also the only conference to finish their bowl season (5-0) undefeated.
MWC beat UofA, UCLA, Washington, Stanford lost to TCU and ASU got beat by a UNLV squad that had no business beating ASU at all.

Your wrong about the middle of the pack teams in the Pac-10. Clearly they got their ass whupped by the MWC, save the BYU fiasco against UA in the LV Bowl. What REALLY separates the PAC-10 from other leagues is USC, that's it. Just USC.
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I think the MWC has a case when the Big East and the ACC are so mediocre for so long lately. They would have a stronger case if they poached Boise State, Hawaii, and UNR, and trimmed off their dredges.
Not gonna happen. The MWC presidents won't allow it for one, they like money and admitting more teams will only create the same travel and money headaches as the old WAC-16 had. It will not return to the old WAC.

The only reasonable move is BSU to the MWC, because of their football pedigree and close proximity to Wyoming, Utah, BYU etc.

10 teams is big as the conference will get.
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MWC beat UofA, UCLA, Washington, Stanford lost to TCU and ASU got beat by a UNLV squad that had no business beating ASU at all.

Your wrong about the middle of the pack teams in the Pac-10. Clearly they got their ass whupped by the MWC, save the BYU fiasco against UA in the LV Bowl. What REALLY separates the PAC-10 from other leagues is USC, that's it. Just USC.
Simply put, MWC had a great year.

In the long-run, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona St. and Washington are going to out recruit the middle-of-the-pack teams in the MWC.

Just USC? Oregon was the #2 team in the country in 2001 and have been in the top 15-20 on an annual basis.

I love the MWC. I think they are at worst the sixth best conference in college football. But they aren't better than the Pac-10 based on one year of out-of-conference play.
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Simply put, MWC had a great year.

In the long-run, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona St. and Washington are going to out recruit the middle-of-the-pack teams in the MWC.

Just USC? Oregon was the #2 team in the country in 2001 and have been in the top 15-20 on an annual basis.

I love the MWC. I think they are at worst the sixth best conference in college football. But they aren't better than the Pac-10 based on one year of out-of-conference play.
I don't think anybody truly believes that the MWC is hands down better than the Pac-10 but remove USC from the Pac-10 equation and frankly I don't see much difference between the conferences.

I would be willing to bet that if there was a "MWC-Pac-10 super conference" the MWC teams would slot in nicely with the Pac-10 teams in conference standings. Meaning the MWC third place team would finish right around the PAC-10 third place finisher. Washington and Washington State would have finished in the bottom 4 w/ Wyoming and SDSU. UTAH USC, would have finished 1st and 2nd. etc.

The difference between these conferences just isn't that dramatic IMHO.
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Old 01-26-2009, 10:01 PM   #43
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i am pretty happy with the boarder war and the boot ........Special kind of rivalry there
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I think you people are missing the point. It doesn't matter how well the conferences or the teams in them actually do on the field.

As bad as the Big 10, Pac-10, Big East, and ACC do, they put people in the seats, both in the stadiums and on the couches. Those people buy stuff that's on the commercials and billboards.

Utah doesn't generate jack for revenue.

End of story.
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I live in Albuquerque and there was talk on the radio of adding a few teams to the MWC at the end of the season. One of the teams mentioned was Colorado. I totally dismissed this at the time but if the MWC can get Boise St. I can see the appeal to CU it would make them the top dog in a new conference. that would get the MWC to ten but I am not sure where the other two teams would come from to get it to a 12 team league with a championship game. who knows maybe UTEP or something like that but its an interesting idea to say the least.
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Neither does the PAC-10 and Big East, but they're in.
Yeah, MWC are right there with both of those conferences and are just about as competitive as the Big 10.


They should create a new conference...

TCU, Utah, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Marshall, UCF, Hawaii

That conference deserves a bid.
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I don't think anybody truly believes that the MWC is hands down better than the Pac-10 but remove USC from the Pac-10 equation and frankly I don't see much difference between the conferences.
The top four programs in the MWC are right there with the best four of Pac-10 without USC. TCU, BYU, Utah and Air Force can hang with Oregon, California, Arizona St., and UCLA. I will give you that.

Programs 5-9 aren't close though.

Colorado St., New Mexico, Wyoming, San Diego St., UNLV

compared to

Oregon St., Stanford, Washington, Arizona, Washington St.



The Pac Ten is better even without USC.
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The top four programs in the MWC are right there with the best four of Pac-10 without USC. TCU, BYU, Utah and Air Force can hang with Oregon, California, Arizona St., and UCLA. I will give you that.

Programs 5-9 aren't close though.

Colorado St., New Mexico, Wyoming, San Diego St., UNLV

compared to

Oregon St., Stanford, Washington, Arizona, Washington St.



The Pac Ten is better even without USC.


In name only.

Those schools have tradition (save Oregon St.) and large student bodies, but what have they done lately? The MWC schools have been building tradition and have been the better teams recently.

Boise St, TCU, and Utah are better than the top three Pac 10 schools. USC would be the best obviously, but I think that the next three in line would be MWC schools.

1. USC
2. TCU
3. Utah
4. Boise St.
5. Oregon
6. BYU
7. Cal

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In name only.

Those schools have tradition (save Oregon St.) and large student bodies, but what have they done lately? The MWC schools have been building tradition and have been the better teams recently.

Boise St, TCU, and Utah are better than the top three Pac 10 schools. USC would be the best obviously, but I think that the next three in line would be MWC schools.

1. USC
2. TCU
3. Utah
4. Boise St.
5. Oregon
6. BYU
7. Cal
Your rankings are a one year snapshot.

Flashback to 2007, BYU was the only one of those four schools you mentioned to finish in the AP Top 25 poll.
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The top four programs in the MWC are right there with the best four of Pac-10 without USC. TCU, BYU, Utah and Air Force can hang with Oregon, California, Arizona St., and UCLA. I will give you that.

Programs 5-9 aren't close though.

Colorado St., New Mexico, Wyoming, San Diego St., UNLV

compared to

Oregon St., Stanford, Washington, Arizona, Washington St.



The Pac Ten is better even without USC.
teams in the MWC aren't as publicized as teams from the PAC-10. the reason for a lack of talent isn't because the schools are bad or have bad programs, it's that they get absolutely no notice every year.

if you were to give teams in the MWC the same amount of publicity as other conferences you would see higher ranked prospects going to schools in the MWC, making the entire division better.

but with the BCS being in control of college football, publicized, overrated teams in weak divisions get handed everything.

the BCS is the reason we see the same 5 teams every single year competing for the number 1 ranking in the country whether or not they deserve it.

implement a playoff, and a smaller market team like Utah makes some noise in the playoffs, maybe wins the National Championship, and the entire conference would get better, because when recruits can see that even in the MWC they can compete for a National Championship, we will see top ranked players coming to that conference, leveling the college football playing field, and making the game more fun to watch and gives every team in every conference a shot at a national title.

i am sick of every year seeing a team like Utah, from a weaker conference go undefeated and teams like USC, Texas and Florida with 1 or 2 losses ranked ahead of them.

USC is a prime example of a team being a recipient of playing in a weak division, but because they have publicity on their side they get notice and high rankings.

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