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Old 01-22-2009, 06:36 PM   #1
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Is anybody worried that if me try to make a switch to a 3-4 we won't find a quality nose tackle either in the draft or free agency. I know that everybody is saying BJ Rajii but what if green bay picks him up.
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Alabama or Penn State got to have a good nose tackle. Not sure if they have any seniors, but those will be the schools I'll be looking at for some quality defense linemen, or nose guard...
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Cody has been an absolute monster this season for the surprising Crimson Tide, who are 7-0 at the moment and ranked No. 2 in the nation. The star defensive lineman is already known in Tuscaloosa as "Mount" Cody. Any why not? He stands at 6'5'' and 370 pounds, so of course he is a huge space eater in the middle of the defensive line. Cody is only in his first year at Alabama, having played in 2007 at Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College, where he recorded 31 tackles and 3.5 sacks to help his team post an 11-0 regular season record. He does not, therefore, have a ton of experience and a recent injury will hinder progress in that department. Cody is out with a sprained MCL and will miss at least two games, possibly more (in which case the Tide's clash with LSU could be in jeopardy for the big man). That's a minor drawback to his NFL stock, and 5.5 speed in the 40-yard-dash could be another deterrent. Then again, that can only be expected for a player of his size; and in fairness to Cody, he is actually quite agile and his lateral movement makes him a beast against the run. He has first-round potential for the 2009 draft, but one more season in Tuscaloosa--especially if this injury costs him precious time--could be a good idea.

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Brace would be a viable option in round 2. If the Broncos run a 3-4 D and just want a nose tackle to take up space and stop the run, Brace will do and has good value with our second pick in the draft.
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Is anybody worried that if me try to make a switch to a 3-4 we won't find a quality nose tackle either in the draft or free agency. I know that everybody is saying BJ Rajii but what if green bay picks him up.
If that happen you shift to Rajii's team mate at BC Ron Brace. Or Denver goes the FA route - Watson (AR), Fields (SF) or something fattie

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Old 01-22-2009, 07:30 PM   #8
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I prefer Raji, but like Ziggy said, there's also Ron Brace ... oddly enough he's Raji's teammate at Boston College.

He's a 2nd or 3rd round guy, so we could use the #12 pick on a LB.

Here's the Brace capsule, which long story-short ends "Two-gapper with the potential to be a top 3-4 nose tackle."




And I for one really wanna see what our own Carlton Powell can do in the 3-4. I realize that at 305 pounds he's small for a classic 2-gap NT, but he's just a kid - he could pack on 20+ pounds in the next couple years. The book on Powell in the draft last year made him sound like a NT ... both Powell individually and Va Tech as a team led the nation in rush avg against, so he rag-dolled many an ACC guard while there. I dunno how they figure that stat for an individual player, but it's impressive any way you slice it.
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Cody has been an absolute monster this season for the surprising Crimson Tide, who are 7-0 at the moment and ranked No. 2 in the nation. The star defensive lineman is already known in Tuscaloosa as "Mount" Cody. Any why not? He stands at 6'5'' and 370 pounds, so of course he is a huge space eater in the middle of the defensive line. Cody is only in his first year at Alabama, having played in 2007 at Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College, where he recorded 31 tackles and 3.5 sacks to help his team post an 11-0 regular season record. He does not, therefore, have a ton of experience and a recent injury will hinder progress in that department. Cody is out with a sprained MCL and will miss at least two games, possibly more (in which case the Tide's clash with LSU could be in jeopardy for the big man). That's a minor drawback to his NFL stock, and 5.5 speed in the 40-yard-dash could be another deterrent. Then again, that can only be expected for a player of his size; and in fairness to Cody, he is actually quite agile and his lateral movement makes him a beast against the run. He has first-round potential for the 2009 draft, but one more season in Tuscaloosa--especially if this injury costs him precious time--could be a good idea.

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so with that at best the soonest we field a good 3-4 defense will be in 2012
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I prefer Raji, but like Ziggy said, there's also Ron Brace ... oddly enough he's Raji's teammate at Boston College.

He's a 2nd or 3rd round guy, so we could use the #12 pick on a LB.

Here's the Brace capsule, which long story-short ends "Two-gapper with the potential to be a top 3-4 nose tackle."




And I for one really wanna see what our own Carlton Powell can do in the 3-4. I realize that at 305 pounds he's small for a classic 2-gap NT, but he's just a kid - he could pack on 20+ pounds in the next couple years. The book on Powell in the draft last year made him sound like a NT ... both Powell individually and Va Tech as a team led the nation in rush avg against, so he rag-dolled many an ACC guard while there. I dunno how they figure that stat for an individual player, but it's impressive any way you slice it.
What about at an end spot?
I hear Nolan likes to rush the passer with his backers, and uses his linemen for 2 gap responsibilities.
Sounds like that is right up Powell's alley...
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What about at an end spot?
I hear Nolan likes to rush the passer with his backers, and uses his linemen for 2 gap responsibilities.
Sounds like that is right up Powell's alley...

Powell was a low round pick and will be playing his rookie season two years removed from the last year he played football. Im not saying he's going to fail or even that he wont be great but that its a little foolish for someone in that situation to pull through for you.
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Is anybody worried that if me try to make a switch to a 3-4 we won't find a quality nose tackle either in the draft or free agency. I know that everybody is saying BJ Rajii but what if green bay picks him up.
Why limit your worries about the DL to just that. I'm worried about every single aspect of the DL regardless what defensive alignment we adopt.
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Powell was a low round pick and will be playing his rookie season two years removed from the last year he played football. Im not saying he's going to fail or even that he wont be great but that its a little foolish for someone in that situation to pull through for you.
Nobody's talking about starting the man in a new 3-4 alignment ....

Besides, Peyton Hillis and Josh Barrett were lower picks, and WW wasn't even drafted. So there.
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Nobody's talking about starting the man in a new 3-4 alignment ....

Besides, Peyton Hillis and Josh Barrett were lower picks, and WW wasn't even drafted. So there.
Trust me. Id like to see Powell do well.
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I'm not as high on Raji as some, particularly if we're planning on moving to the 3-4. Raji is more of a penetrating/attacking DT than he is a player who can stand at the point and hold a double team. I think he would be frustrated and not as effective as a true NT.

I also would rather see us take an LB in the 1st because we'll see a more immediate impact from an LB than we will a DT, and lord knows this defense needs immediate impact. I also think that Brace may be a better fit as a true NT at the next level.

I would look for a Rey Maualuga/Ron Brace combo with the first two picks.
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Why limit your worries about the DL to just that. I'm worried about every single aspect of the DL regardless what defensive alignment we adopt.
I am as well however we need to first know what we are running that's some of the source of our problems changing up our scheme every year. Next we need personell that can run in that scheme. All I'm saying is if we run a 3-4 we have to have stout NT first and foremost then we need some stout physical line backers. The 5 technique ends i'm not as concerned about.
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so with that at best the soonest we field a good 3-4 defense will be in 2012
Huh? Why do you chalk up the fact that it would take 4 drafts and FA cycles, and 3 seasons for Cody individually to produce a solid 3-4 defense?
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I'm not as high on Raji as some, particularly if we're planning on moving to the 3-4. Raji is more of a penetrating/attacking DT than he is a player who can stand at the point and hold a double team. I think he would be frustrated and not as effective as a true NT.
In Raji's defense, he did face a significant number of double teams this season. He was the one guy opposing offensive coordinators were game-planning against and designing protection schemes against and he was still making plays in the backfield. A nose tackle that can make plays in the backfield is just as valuable, if not moreso, than a guy that simply keeps the linebackers clean.
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Powell was a low round pick and will be playing his rookie season two years removed from the last year he played football. Im not saying he's going to fail or even that he wont be great but that its a little foolish for someone in that situation to pull through for you.
You can find decent NT depth later in the draft. Its usually you see the UT that are taken high.. IE Ngata
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a NT is going to need developed. Taking one in the 1st, unless he's a blue chip... IMO isn't worth it.
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You can find decent NT depth later in the draft. Its usually you see the UT that are taken high.. IE Ngata
Ngata plays nose for the Ravens in their 3-4 and 4-3 alignments.

Its just that Ngata can be used to stuff the center gaps like an NT when needed and switch to rushing the passer the next down in a 4-3 front without missing a beat.

Raji is that kind of guy, but we'd be stupid to pay full price if we're only going to use half the skill set.
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Ngata plays nose for the Ravens in their 3-4 and 4-3 alignments.

Its just that Ngata can be used to stuff the center gaps like an NT when needed and switch to rushing the passer the next down in a 4-3 front without missing a beat.

Raji is that kind of guy, but we'd be stupid to pay full price if we're only going to use half the skill set.
Brace in the 2nd
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I believe it was Cody who holds the record for largest baby ever born in Alabama; He was 15 pounds. His doctor calls his mother every year on his birthday to check up on him and tell her she still holds the record.
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