Random Draft Thoughts - The Orange Mane

SouthStndJunkie · 01-21-2009, 07:50 PM

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SouthStndJunkie · 01-21-2009, 07:50 PM

Mel Kiper's 2009 NFL mock draft - 1/21/2009

AFC West Teams:

3: Kansas City: Dirty Sanchez, QB, USC

7: Oakland: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

12: Denver: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

16: San Diego: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

Tombstone RJ · 01-21-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Mel Kiper's 2009 NFL mock draft - 1/21/2009

AFC West Teams:

3: Kansas City: Dirty Sanchez, QB, USC

7: Oakland: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

12: Denver: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

16: San Diego: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

I'd love for KC to draft some dirt.

chaz · 01-21-2009, 08:43 PM

Kipers mock actually makes sense....wtf...

would love to see chokeland invest in more skill position players, even though i like maclin he won't solve their problems.

kc gets a developmental qb who needs time to mature and san diego gets lt's replacement.

SouthStndJunkie · 01-21-2009, 09:28 PM

Let's say these players are sitting there at 12.

Of this list of players....make your top three choices for Denver.

Aaron Maybin
Everette Brown
Chris Wells
James Laurinaitis
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Knowshon Moreno
B.J. Raji
Rey Maualuga
LeSean McCoy
William Moore
Larry English

SouthStndJunkie · 01-21-2009, 09:33 PM

My Top Three:

1: B.J. Raji
2: Rey Maualuga
3: LeSean McCoy....I know that seems high for McCoy....but he is my favorite back in the draft and would be a perfect compliment to Hillis.

I do realize we need help on the defensive side of the ball.

BroncoMan4ever · 01-21-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chaz

Kipers mock actually makes sense....wtf...

would love to see chokeland invest in more skill position players, even though i like maclin he won't solve their problems.

kc gets a developmental qb who needs time to mature and san diego gets lt's replacement.

if we don't take wells he will slip to SD and they will get another beast runner we have to deal with for the next 7-10 years

brncs_fan · 01-21-2009, 10:52 PM

I'm not buying the Beans. Not impressed with Rey (should have came out last year). Still working on the rest.

chaz · 01-22-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

if we don't take wells he will slip to SD and they will get another beast runner we have to deal with for the next 7-10 years

I'm not going to draft a guy just so my rival doesn't get him...that isn't the way to the 'ship. Build a solid front seven that will shut any RB down and Beanie won't be a problem.

MagicHef · 01-22-2009, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Let's say these players are sitting there at 12.

Of this list of players....make your top three choices for Denver.

Aaron Maybin
Everette Brown
Chris Wells
James Laurinaitis
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Knowshon Moreno
B.J. Raji
Rey Maualuga
LeSean McCoy
William Moore
Larry English

1a) Everette Brown
1b) B.J. Raji
3) Malcolm Jenkins

SpringStein · 01-22-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

1a) Everette Brown
1b) B.J. Raji
3) Malcolm Jenkins

Almost identical - I'd prob say:
1a - Raji
1b - Brown
3 - Jenkins

MagicHef · 01-22-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SpringStein

Almost identical - I'd prob say:
1a - Raji
1b - Brown
3 - Jenkins

Yeah, I'd be happy with either Raji or Brown. Or Jenkins, really. Even though we don't really need corner help, it would be such a steal value wise.

RocBronc · 01-22-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Let's say these players are sitting there at 12.

Of this list of players....make your top three choices for Denver.

Aaron Maybin
Everette Brown
Chris Wells
James Laurinaitis
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Knowshon Moreno
B.J. Raji
Rey Maualuga
LeSean McCoy
William Moore
Larry English

I'll say..

Raji
Brown
Moreno

with caveat that if there isn't a defensive player worth taking at 12... TRADE DOWN...

gyldenlove · 01-22-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Let's say these players are sitting there at 12.

Of this list of players....make your top three choices for Denver.

Aaron Maybin
Everette Brown
Chris Wells
James Laurinaitis
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Knowshon Moreno
B.J. Raji
Rey Maualuga
LeSean McCoy
William Moore
Larry English

1. BJ Raji

(He is flying up draft boards with his senior bowl showing, I suspect he will mimic Sedrick Ellis from last year)

2. Malcolm Jenkins

(I know CB isn't our biggest need, but it will be soon. With this guy on the roster we will be a lot better against the pass)

3. Rey Maualuga

(He had an excellent showing at the senior bowl yesterday, his pass rushing skills are the best of any ILB and he gave some demonstrations of his run stuffing ability)

Ziggy · 01-22-2009, 08:50 AM

1. Raji- He can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defense.

2. Everette Brown- May be the best pass rusher in the first round

3. Maualuga- Boom or bust pick, but he has the size and attitude to succeed at MLB.

chaz · 01-22-2009, 09:33 AM

1. Jenkins - Too good of talent to pass up at 12 with our aging secondary and he would even be one hell of a FS right away

2. Everett - Hopefully he'd be a 3-4 terror

3. Raji - our NT

socalorado · 01-22-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaz

1. Jenkins - Too good of talent to pass up at 12 with our aging secondary and he would even be one hell of a FS right away

2. Everett - Hopefully he'd be a 3-4 terror

3. Raji - our NT

Ah. Not sure if Jenkins could play FS at the NFL level. Did he play FS at Ohio St at all?? I dont know about that. I have heard of Vontae Davis being able to do it, but never heard anything like that about Jenkins, so i am a little hesitant about that projection. However, if Jenkins was selected, then I dont think it would matter anyways cause I think Jenkins would simply upgrade DEN at CB, and Bly goes "bye bye". No need to keep him, cause Jenkins most likely beats him out at camp. Curry and Jenkins are 2 of the most "NFL ready" players in the draft, that are not RBs.
I could see DEN taking Jenkins. I would rather a 3rd round FS play there though simply because they know the position so well.

Everett sure.

Bj. Thats where i have him right now. Just not so sure about him yet.

snowspot66 · 01-22-2009, 11:30 AM

Can we not use the "he's so great at CB our pass defense will get better even without a good set of linemen" argument for a CB? If the last four or five years have shown anything is that the argument just doesn't hold water.

I don't ever want to see the Broncos draft a first round CB ever again. Unless the NFL changes the rules for CB and WR contact to help the defense out it's just not worth it anymore.

gyldenlove · 01-22-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowspot66

Can we not use the "he's so great at CB our pass defense will get better even without a good set of linemen" argument for a CB? If the last four or five years have shown anything is that the argument just doesn't hold water.

I don't ever want to see the Broncos draft a first round CB ever again. Unless the NFL changes the rules for CB and WR contact to help the defense out it's just not worth it anymore.

The question is, who do you want to have in coverage, Josh Bell or Malcolm Jenkins, I know who I prefer.

As long as people know they can run on every 1st and 2nd down because they can convert 3rd and long all day against a coverage unit softer than the journalism on Fox news.

snowspot66 · 01-22-2009, 02:03 PM

Except we have Champ Bailey and Dre Bly as our starters and not Josh Bell. Should we trade or cut them then we can take a CB in the second or third. But never the first.

Paladin · 01-22-2009, 03:03 PM

After much cogitating and reading the bones and tarot cards, I think I would prefer Rey Maualuga first, and a NT-type at 2 and a FS at three. I am not convinced that the Broncos will be in a 3-4 next year, but if they transition into it, they would have an NT with some experience in year 2. A franchise MLB is as valuable as an LT. Wilson was so dominant, he made the D work better than it was. Maybe Rey can do that for Denver.

If Rey is not there, I'd then want Brown and then the NT and then the FS or RB in the third.....

But with Goodman drafting, I don't know whom they would target and I don't know if there would be any trades. My guess is that if there were a trade, it would be initiated by some other team. Just a hunch based on the fact that Goodman drafts so well. I am, however, mindful of the trade that got Cutler and the one for Moss and then Thomas.... One out of three ain't bad.

gyldenlove · 01-22-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowspot66

Except we have Champ Bailey and Dre Bly as our starters and not Josh Bell. Should we trade or cut them then we can take a CB in the second or third. But never the first.

They are both on the wrong side of 30, they have both lost a step and the depth we have now is frankly disasterous as evidenced by the games we played without Champ.

Besides that, in the 1st round you ALWAYS have to draft for value and if Malcolm Jenkins is available he would be extremely good value.

snowspot66 · 01-22-2009, 05:35 PM

If you always draft for value in the first then there will always be a more valuable player. CB is just not a position of major importance like it used to be. Our over investment in it has gotten us jack.

Tombstone RJ · 01-22-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Let's say these players are sitting there at 12.

Of this list of players....make your top three choices for Denver.

Aaron Maybin
Everette Brown
3. Chris Wells
James Laurinaitis
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis
Knowshon Moreno
1. B.J. Raji
2. Rey Maualuga
LeSean McCoy
William Moore
Larry English

alot to choose from...

BroncoMan4ever · 01-22-2009, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaz

I'm not going to draft a guy just so my rival doesn't get him...that isn't the way to the 'ship. Build a solid front seven that will shut any RB down and Beanie won't be a problem.

i didn't mean we should take him so SD doesn't. i was pointing out that i doubt they would take Moreno with Wells on the board still

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01-21-2009, 08:43 PM	#4
chaz highly touted recruit Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,455 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Bruton	Kipers mock actually makes sense....wtf... would love to see chokeland invest in more skill position players, even though i like maclin he won't solve their problems. kc gets a developmental qb who needs time to mature and san diego gets lt's replacement.

01-21-2009, 10:52 PM	#8
brncs_fan How about some Tapenade! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Coaches Cradle...Eastern Illinois University Posts: 5,490 Adopt-a-Bronco: Manti Teo	I'm not buying the Beans. Not impressed with Rey (should have came out last year). Still working on the rest.

01-22-2009, 08:50 AM	#15
Ziggy Pro Bowler Noob Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 508	1. Raji- He can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4 defense. 2. Everette Brown- May be the best pass rusher in the first round 3. Maualuga- Boom or bust pick, but he has the size and attitude to succeed at MLB.

01-22-2009, 09:33 AM	#16
chaz highly touted recruit Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,455 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Bruton	1. Jenkins - Too good of talent to pass up at 12 with our aging secondary and he would even be one hell of a FS right away 2. Everett - Hopefully he'd be a 3-4 terror 3. Raji - our NT

01-22-2009, 11:30 AM	#18
snowspot66 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,643	Can we not use the "he's so great at CB our pass defense will get better even without a good set of linemen" argument for a CB? If the last four or five years have shown anything is that the argument just doesn't hold water. I don't ever want to see the Broncos draft a first round CB ever again. Unless the NFL changes the rules for CB and WR contact to help the defense out it's just not worth it anymore.

01-22-2009, 02:03 PM	#20
snowspot66 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,643	Except we have Champ Bailey and Dre Bly as our starters and not Josh Bell. Should we trade or cut them then we can take a CB in the second or third. But never the first.

01-22-2009, 03:03 PM	#21
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,151	After much cogitating and reading the bones and tarot cards, I think I would prefer Rey Maualuga first, and a NT-type at 2 and a FS at three. I am not convinced that the Broncos will be in a 3-4 next year, but if they transition into it, they would have an NT with some experience in year 2. A franchise MLB is as valuable as an LT. Wilson was so dominant, he made the D work better than it was. Maybe Rey can do that for Denver. If Rey is not there, I'd then want Brown and then the NT and then the FS or RB in the third..... But with Goodman drafting, I don't know whom they would target and I don't know if there would be any trades. My guess is that if there were a trade, it would be initiated by some other team. Just a hunch based on the fact that Goodman drafts so well. I am, however, mindful of the trade that got Cutler and the one for Moss and then Thomas.... One out of three ain't bad.

01-22-2009, 05:35 PM	#23
snowspot66 Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,643	If you always draft for value in the first then there will always be a more valuable player. CB is just not a position of major importance like it used to be. Our over investment in it has gotten us jack.