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Old 01-21-2009, 12:42 AM   #1
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I know there was talk about Harris a while back, but I haven't seen anything lately. I did notice the other day when looking at the "meat market" thread that he was listed as a LB at the Senior Bowl, and then found this:

Oklahoma safety Nic Harris is listed as a linebacker on the North Team roster for this weekend's game, which isn't surprising when you consider that he's a hard-hitting 6-foot-2, 233-pound dynamo who brings a lot of confidence and attitude to his game. After putting on the pads Monday afternoon for the team's first practice, Harris said that he's hoping that his performance will send a clear message to NFL teams. "I'm hoping that they will see that at the end of the day that I can play with anybody, and you can put me anywhere on the field. I'm one of those selfless guys who will play wherever the coach wants me to play. If he wants me to play down-lineman, I'll do that," he said with a smile. Harris has already talked to half a dozen teams prior to Monday night's round of interviews.

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I don't know where he's being projected, but it sounds like he's the kind of kid that would bring a great deal of versatility. It's clearly premature to make any kind of legitimate comparisons, but if he could be a Thomas Davis-type player, or perhaps even an Adrian Wilson-type player, he would be a nice addition to any team.
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i would love to get him as a safety in Denver.
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i would love to get him as a safety in Denver.
why? He making the move to LB at the senior bowl, because he doesn't have the range or speed to play safety in NFL.
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I don't know where he's being projected, but it sounds like he's the kind of kid that would bring a great deal of versatility. It's clearly premature to make any kind of legitimate comparisons, but if he could be a Thomas Davis-type player, or perhaps even an Adrian Wilson-type player, he would be a nice addition to any team.
Yes, I'm sure if he could be one of the two or three best safeties in the NFL he'd be a nice addition to any team.

But he probably can't.

I'd be up for grabbing Harris in the later rounds and letting him work out in a similar capacity as Barrett and Woodyard. Maybe LB, maybe S, but at the very least a good special teamer who makes open field tackles with some force.
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we got WW 3 already. We dont need another player who doesnt have a true position.
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we got WW 3 already. We dont need another player who doesnt have a true position.
Thats what i was thinking. DEN has a "tweener" guy who has had to find his spot. Now he may be going to SS. Who knows. Harris would be a wasted pick to me.
If DEN goes after a safety, i would like to see FS Sean Smith UTAH. Maybe in the 3rd. his stock is rising, but alot of playersa re rising and sliding right now. I think when it settles he could go in the 3rd.
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Yes, I'm sure if he could be one of the two or three best safeties in the NFL he'd be a nice addition to any team.

But he probably can't.

I'd be up for grabbing Harris in the later rounds and letting him work out in a similar capacity as Barrett and Woodyard. Maybe LB, maybe S, but at the very least a good special teamer who makes open field tackles with some force.
Noted. I overstepped in even suggesting such a thing, a homer move to be sure.

Now that that's out of the way...is he really moving to LB because he's too slow? I like the idea of having guys that provide some flexibility. Probably because I've played Madden too much...
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Noted. I overstepped in even suggesting such a thing, a homer move to be sure.

Now that that's out of the way...is he really moving to LB because he's too slow? I like the idea of having guys that provide some flexibility. Probably because I've played Madden too much...
He's a tweener. I don't think he has quite the block shedding ability and power to project well as a linebacker, or the speed to project well in today's coverage oriented safety prototype.

He's a gamer and in that regard is a lot like Woodyard. Wesley found a way to contribute last year and I'm sure any team that drafts Harris will get themselves a productive contributor, but he's going to have a hard time finding a starting home in the NFL.

At 6'2", 233 lbs. I think he'd be a good fit at LB in a Tampa 2 scheme. Otherwise he's going to need to add about 10 pounds of muscle without losing much speed or he'll have a hard time holding up at LB.

As a S he'd need to blow people away with his combine. He's projected to run between a 4.5 to a 4.7. If he's on the low end then he's probably going to get to stay at safety. If he gets even to a 4.6 or above? Thats a damn tough sell in a league where nearly every TE now beats that time.
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I think Nic could make a very good strong safety in the NFL. He just needs to be paired with a gifted Free Safety that can cover deep.

Nic is a straight up football player and gamer. He will knock the **** out of guys, he can blitz well, and has the instincts to play really good zone coverage.

As stated before, I wouldn't expect him to hang with WR's 30 yards down the field, but within 15 yards, he could do a very good job.

We have Barrett who looks to be the same type of guy, so Harris would probably be a wasted pick. However, he is definitely an "attitude player" just like WW. He will lay the wood, then try to take on an O-lineman in a fist fight. I love his attitude, and think he would be an asset in the right scheme.
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I read that they think he may be too stiff in the hips to play safety. Also a bit too slow.
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why? He making the move to LB at the senior bowl, because he doesn't have the range or speed to play safety in NFL.
He can play LB or Safety he's that good
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He can play LB or Safety he's that good
He might make Roy Williams (S) from Dallas look good in coverage.
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He might make Roy Williams (S) from Dallas look good in coverage.
But...But...didn't you see him jump over the line in college and hit the QB!?


I'm increasingly convinced that one of the main things our defense has lacked since the departure of Al Wilson is a player who plays nasty, hits hard, and refuses to be pushed around. The good defenses in the league generally have several of these guys, and I can't think of one on our defense (maybe WW, but we didn't see enough of him to really know). If Harris could provide that, I would gladly take him even if he proved to be a liability in deep coverage. We can supplement his inability to cover with some scheming and a rangy sidekick, we cannot make up for lack of toughness.
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But...But...didn't you see him jump over the line in college and hit the QB!?


I'm increasingly convinced that one of the main things our defense has lacked since the departure of Al Wilson is a player who plays nasty, hits hard, and refuses to be pushed around. The good defenses in the league generally have several of these guys, and I can't think of one on our defense (maybe WW, but we didn't see enough of him to really know). If Harris could provide that, I would gladly take him even if he proved to be a liability in deep coverage. We can supplement his inability to cover with some scheming and a rangy sidekick, we cannot make up for lack of toughness.
Its real tough for a guy to have an edge when he's getting his ass beat for big gains on every other play.

We can get some toughness without taking a liability in actual production.
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Its real tough for a guy to have an edge when he's getting his ass beat for big gains on every other play.

We can get some toughness without taking a liability in actual production.
Did you see DEN's collection of LB's celebrating every routine tackle this last year? Winborn, Webster, Bailey? They had no problem acting stupid.

BTW, I have no idea how they could seriously act like that
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He can play LB or Safety he's that good
He can also get us 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalties on Percey Harvin every time we play them for yanking blatently on injured body parts because he's butthurt he's getting dominated
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Did you see DEN's collection of LB's celebrating every routine tackle this last year? Winborn, Webster, Bailey? They had no problem acting stupid.

BTW, I have no idea how they could seriously act like that
Thats true. But they weren't really showing toughness, just a big ol' pile of jackassery.

God I hope they're all off the roster for next year.
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Its real tough for a guy to have an edge when he's getting his ass beat for big gains on every other play.

We can get some toughness without taking a liability in actual production.
Besides the obvious desire for a simple increase of talent on the defensive side of the ball, my #1a wish for the off-season is perfectly summed up in your second sentence.
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thank you for your comments goldengopher. I want defensive players talented but perhaps more important attitude. Maybe Romo wasn't everyone's favorite player, but you knew that you had to put up with his attitude. Tom Jackson would let you know that knowone could outrun him. True, we haven't had that since Al Wilson. All the top defenses have that. I personally believe it is becoming a more important element of defense.
Rey Rey has that, and perhaps nothing else matters. I see that in Rashad johnson of Alabama and Nic Harris. As far as which NT comes aboard, that position probably more than any other requires a warroir.
Recently there has been much talk that this team has no identity. There are several playaers offensively who you see "you have to stop me to win."
Defensively you need players lining up the first play with the attitude "you have to go through me to win." I have seen little of that the past two years.
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thank you for your comments goldengopher. I want defensive players talented but perhaps more important attitude. Maybe Romo wasn't everyone's favorite player, but you knew that you had to put up with his attitude. Tom Jackson would let you know that knowone could outrun him. True, we haven't had that since Al Wilson. All the top defenses have that. I personally believe it is becoming a more important element of defense.
Rey Rey has that, and perhaps nothing else matters. I see that in Rashad johnson of Alabama and Nic Harris. As far as which NT comes aboard, that position probably more than any other requires a warroir.
Recently there has been much talk that this team has no identity. There are several playaers offensively who you see "you have to stop me to win."
Defensively you need players lining up the first play with the attitude "you have to go through me to win." I have seen little of that the past two years.
Rep for agreeing with me!

Well...and also because I really do think it's true.
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He can also get us 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalties on Percey Harvin every time we play them for yanking blatently on injured body parts because he's butthurt he's getting dominated
yea it would be real stupid to add a very good player to our fuuuned up defense
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Thats what i was thinking. DEN has a "tweener" guy who has had to find his spot. Now he may be going to SS. Who knows. Harris would be a wasted pick to me.
If DEN goes after a safety, i would like to see FS Sean Smith UTAH. Maybe in the 3rd. his stock is rising, but alot of playersa re rising and sliding right now. I think when it settles he could go in the 3rd.
Smith is a corner not a S
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Well...technically yes, but his size and skills have people thinking he could play either spot. Which, by the way, goes against the reason given for not wanting Harris...
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I know there was talk about Harris a while back, but I haven't seen anything lately. I did notice the other day when looking at the "meat market" thread that he was listed as a LB at the Senior Bowl, and then found this:

Oklahoma safety Nic Harris is listed as a linebacker on the North Team roster for this weekend's game, which isn't surprising when you consider that he's a hard-hitting 6-foot-2, 233-pound dynamo who brings a lot of confidence and attitude to his game. After putting on the pads Monday afternoon for the team's first practice, Harris said that he's hoping that his performance will send a clear message to NFL teams. "I'm hoping that they will see that at the end of the day that I can play with anybody, and you can put me anywhere on the field. I'm one of those selfless guys who will play wherever the coach wants me to play. If he wants me to play down-lineman, I'll do that," he said with a smile. Harris has already talked to half a dozen teams prior to Monday night's round of interviews.

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I don't know where he's being projected, but it sounds like he's the kind of kid that would bring a great deal of versatility. It's clearly premature to make any kind of legitimate comparisons, but if he could be a Thomas Davis-type player, or perhaps even an Adrian Wilson-type player, he would be a nice addition to any team.

Nic Had some really solid games at OU last season. He was better than I expected. Part of the reason that was the case is because he is pretty good at reading the offense and making the play. He played safety very well in both phases. I was particularly impressed by his ability to make the play in the passing game. I think that thats where he made his contribution to OU's defense. Part of the reason that defense stepped up and made plays late in the year is because of the steady improvement of Harris and Lendy Holmes in the pass game.

I think that he has what it takes to succed at safety in the NFL. However, he may be more of a strong-side safety.
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I can't believe people think Nic Harris needs to move to LB to succeed in the NFL. He doesn't have mind-blowing speed, but good lord he reads plays well, makes tackles, causes turnovers and defends the pass well.
Look at his interception off Tebow in the NC game. That is what a good safety does.
I think he could be a very good SS in the NFL, but it seems everybody wants to screw with him and make him a LB.
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