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Old 01-18-2009, 08:46 PM   #1
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I was thinking about this the other day, and while I know there are ways in which the comparison breaks down (Eagles are 1-4 in the NFC championship while the Bills won the AFC and lost in the SB), but I thought in some ways the comparison was uncanny.

Especially:

McNabb = Kelly (McNabb better runner, Kelly better passer, but both will be remembered as good but not great QBs)

Westbrook = Thurman Thomas (quick RB who relies on receptions as much as running to contribute)

Anyway, just a musing while watching...
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:48 PM   #2
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They're a poor man's Bills.
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:55 PM   #3
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Those Bills had hall of famers all over. It's a shame they never won.
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You give McNabb a receiver like Andre Reed and we're not even having this discussion.
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You give McNabb a receiver like Andre Reed and we're not even having this discussion.
Really? You mean like TO?
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Really? You mean like TO?
McNabb played with TO for two lousy years.
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Yeah, like I said, there are plenty of ways the comparison doesn't work (Andre Reed is one I didn't bother mentioning), but unless the Eagles win a SB, they will be remembered in exactly the same way.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:42 PM   #8
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The Eagles wish they were that Bills team.

That Bills team EASILY wipes the ****ing floor with any team playing out there these days. That was an immensely talented football team. It's just frightening to go back and look at that roster and pick out the talent. Just amazing.

Their crime was to exist during an era where a team existed that may have been as dominant as any in history... the Dallas Cowboys. As much as I hated that team with the core of my soul, I've never seen anything like it... and I watched the Cowboys/Steelers and 49ers of the 70s, 80s and 90s play. I never saw any teams play (personally) before the 70s, of course... but if there was a team as dominant and loaded with talent as those Cowboys were, I'd be curious to see the two meet in one of those games for the ages.

I hated that ****ing team.

Yea... the Bills may have gotten the rawest deal of any great team in NFL history.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:49 PM   #9
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Philly is nowhere near the class of that Bills team.

4 straight superbowls is an awesome feat no matter which way you slice it.

That takes some determination.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:56 PM   #10
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I think McNabb is a great quarterback. He has had absolute rubbish for receivers pretty much his entire year and the one season he gets a great receiver -- T.O. -- he goes to the Superbowl.

As for the comparison... 5 NFC championships is a lot, but like someone else said that's nothing compared to four straight SB appearances.
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Yeah, like I said, there are plenty of ways the comparison doesn't work (Andre Reed is one I didn't bother mentioning), but unless the Eagles win a SB, they will be remembered in exactly the same way.
No they wont. Bills made, what was it, 4 straight super bowls? Eagles made one? I didnt even realize the eagles were in 5 of the last 8 nfc championships until the stat was brought to my attention. No comparison
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:53 PM   #12
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more like kosars and schottenheimers browns, but at least the eaglets made a super bowl.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:04 AM   #13
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That's a sore subject with me. For a while, the Broncos were spoken of in the same sentence as the Bills...a good team who could just never get over the hump. Fortunately, we finally erased that stigma as the 90s wore down...
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:21 AM   #14
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those Bills deserve an honorary SB ring. 4 straight SB losses will never happen again. most teams can't stay competitive year to year let alone go to the super bowl 4 straight years, that is an unbelievable accomplishment that will never be repeated.
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more like the steelers under cowher before they finally got over the hump.
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I was thinking about this the other day, and while I know there are ways in which the comparison breaks down (Eagles are 1-4 in the NFC championship while the Bills won the AFC and lost in the SB), but I thought in some ways the comparison was uncanny.

Especially:

McNabb = Kelly (McNabb better runner, Kelly better passer, but both will be remembered as good but not great QBs)

Westbrook = Thurman Thomas (quick RB who relies on receptions as much as running to contribute)

Anyway, just a musing while watching...
Thats an insult to the 90's bills and bills fans. At least they make it to the big dance.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:34 AM   #17
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I was thinking about this comparison as well. I feel bad for Dawkins though, more than anyone else on that team.
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:31 AM   #18
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you guys obviously didnt have to deal with any bills fans on a day to day basis, you think the steeler fans are obnoxious, Personally i woulda liked them to make it 5 times in a row and lost all of them. But the next 10 years of suckage has thined out the fan base a little bit, its more bareable now.
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:17 AM   #19
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Those Bills had hall of famers all over. It's a shame they never won.
It's not a stretch to say that those Bills teams were the greatest teams to never win a Super Bowl. The Eagles simply don't come close to the 90's Bills and what they achieved.
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The Eagles wish they were that Bills team.

That Bills team EASILY wipes the ****ing floor with any team playing out there these days. That was an immensely talented football team. It's just frightening to go back and look at that roster and pick out the talent. Just amazing.

Their crime was to exist during an era where a team existed that may have been as dominant as any in history... the Dallas Cowboys. As much as I hated that team with the core of my soul, I've never seen anything like it... and I watched the Cowboys/Steelers and 49ers of the 70s, 80s and 90s play. I never saw any teams play (personally) before the 70s, of course... but if there was a team as dominant and loaded with talent as those Cowboys were, I'd be curious to see the two meet in one of those games for the ages.

I hated that ****ing team.

Yea... the Bills may have gotten the rawest deal of any great team in NFL history.
QFT. Those Bills teams were damn good in all three phases.
Kelly was great at running the "no huddle" too.
Twice the clutch QB McNabb will ever be.
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No they wont. Bills made, what was it, 4 straight super bowls? Eagles made one? I didnt even realize the eagles were in 5 of the last 8 nfc championships until the stat was brought to my attention. No comparison
Hard to tell I guess. Probably depends on how educated a fan we're talking about. I'm still inclined to think that most football fans would be fine to lump this Eagles team (assuming they don't win a SB) in with the 90's Bills and the 70's Vikings and whatever other good/great teams never won a SB.

But that was really only part of my point (not that I was making a profound one). I was rather more enamored with the fact that both teams had good-if-not-great QBs and RBs that were known as much for receiving as running. That just seemed worthy of comparison.

Beyond that, I realize that probably even Don Beebe would be a star compared to Philly's receivers, and that Daryl Talley is better than all their LBs (not to mention Bruce Smith and all the other greats on that team).

So...yeah. Bills probably win over this Eagles team 8 or 9 out of 10.

An interesting question would be "how many current NFL teams could line up against that Bills team?"
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QFT. Those Bills teams were damn good in all three phases.
Kelly was great at running the "no huddle" too.
Twice the clutch QB McNabb will ever be.
McNabb can't even run the 2 minute offense (I'm serious, has he ever run a 2 minute offense? the clearest example I can think of is the Superbowl when they were down and McNabb was out of breath), K-Gun could run it all day long.
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These teams are almost as dissimilar as possible if you look beyond simple records.

This would be like saying 2006-2008 broncos are like the new orleans saints of the mid-90s, always hovering around .500, not really doing much of note in anything meaningful, and perpetually choking away playoff chances.

Actually...
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:53 AM   #24
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McNabb didn't even know you could go to the Superbowl 4 times in a row.
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Interesting people taking a crap on Mcnabb, very similar to the flack Elway/Marino got about not winning when it counted (and no I'm not making the Mcnabb equivalent to Elway/Marino) and the same could be said of Kelly. Give him a Reed/Loften WR combo or an elite TE like Sharpe to go with Westbrook and then we'll see what he can really do, Owens was just a glimpse. Kelly, though great, never carried teams like Elway and Marino did and to a lesser extent Mcnabb as well.

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