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Old 01-18-2009, 06:18 PM   #1
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How does his career rank now? I'm not sure how many other QBs have taken two teams to the SB but his comeback this year was amazing to see. I wonder just how many yards he would have had if he wouldn't have been a back up and got a late start in the NFL.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:20 PM   #2
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2 the other was craig morton.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:24 PM   #4
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2 the other was craig morton.
I knew there was atleast one, funny I would forget that he was a Bronco lol.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:26 PM   #5
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I wasa thinking that if he won the SB it would be cool to pull an Elway and retire.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:27 PM   #6
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HOF for sure with a SB win..

With a loss, it will be close, but I doubt its enough for him. He has been awesome, and I for one am amazed how awesome he has been for the Cards this season. It is a real cool thing to witness
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:29 PM   #7
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Before this year I wouldn't say he was a hall of famer but now I'd say he is borderline and I'd maybe even put him in.

He greatly help improve the Rams and Cards. Been to now 3 superbowls with winning one. 2x mvp. He has played about 10 yrs now.
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:42 PM   #8
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he also had like a three year stretch where he was freakish in his numbers...
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Old 01-18-2009, 06:56 PM   #9
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I wasa thinking that if he won the SB it would be cool to pull an Elway and retire.
Yes and Leinart will step in and pull a Griese.
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Kurt Warner is a great great passer, Hall of Fame now that he's taken this sorry franchise to a Super Bowl.

But he is a Marino-Fouts type player: Big arm, but a warm-weather or dome QB only. Like Marino and Fouts before him, his career wouldda wilted in the cold ... take today for example: The weather in Philly must be similar to Pittsburgh ... does anybody honestly believe the Cards would've won that game in Philadelphia? And because in my opinion this Super Bowl appearance seals Warner's Hall-of-Fame credentials, a road game today might've made the difference in keeping him OUT of the Hall.

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Old 01-18-2009, 07:15 PM   #11
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Kurt Warner is a great great passer, Hall of Fame now that he's taken this sorry franchise to a Super Bowl.

But he is a Marino-Fouts type player: Big arm, but a warm-weather or dome QB only. Like Marino and Fouts before him, his career wouldda wilted in the cold ... take today for example: The weather in Philly must be similar to Pittsburgh ... does anybody honestly believe the Cards would've won that game in Philadelphia? And because in my opinion this Super Bowl appearance seals Warner's Hall-of-Fame credentials, a road game today might've made the difference in keeping him OUT of the Hall.

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He's really only had 4 impressive years. But my God was he good in 3 of them. He was silently excellent last year.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:30 PM   #13
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I think you put him in most offenses, you get what he was as a Giant.

You put him with some of the greatest WR's in the game and a good offensive line, you get two or three great seasons that he's had.

If TD doesn't make the HOF, Warner should not either. Unfortunately for us Warner has Peter King on his side, stumping for him. He doesn't give a shat about TD and what impact he actually had on our history.

BTW, I think the QB loses a little bit of credit when the OC goes on record to say "disregard your reads or progression and keep throwing it to Fitzgerald even if he's covered."

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I think you put him in most offenses, you get what he was as a Giant.

You put him with some of the greatest WR's in the game and a good offensive line, you get two or three great seasons that he's had.

If TD doesn't make the HOF, Warner should not either. Unfortunately for us Warner has Peter King on his side, stumping for him. He doesn't give a shat about TD and what impact he actually had on our history.

BTW, I think the QB loses a little bit of credit when the OC goes on record to say "disregard your reads or progression and keep throwing it to Fitzgerald even if he's covered."
That is a good point.

I still think with his #'s and another SB win he should be in for sure.

TD should be in after a few years, not 1st ballot but he deserves a place. If Bob Griese can make it TD should be in there.
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Kurt Warner is now in the Hall of Fame, period. Let's be honest people:

2 NFL MVPs
3 Super Bowl appearances, 1-1 so far
1 Super Bowl MVP (with a SB record 414 yards passing)
One of only 4 QBs (Brady, Manning, Marino are the othes) with over 40 TDs in a single season
I don't believe that there is a single quarterback that has a resume like that that is not in the hall of fame.

But if you want a bigger indicator, he took the Arizona Cardinals to the Super Bowl. 61 years since their last appearance in a title game. If it takes another 61 years, most people who post on this board will not be alive to see that day. And sure, he has had great players around him in St. Louis and Arizona (Fitzgerald is hands down the best WR in the NFL and if Boldin wasn't also an all-pro talent, Fitz would put up ungodly numbers annually). BUT, the Rams still had Bruce, Holt, Faulk (and then Steven Jackson) and the gang with Bulger at QB. What exactly, did that group accomplish? One playoff win, I believe it was; a far cry from what was arguably the greatest offense of all time. The greatest show on turf deteorated to one of the laughingstocks of the NFL in a few short years. And I guarantee you if you asked if they regret trading Warner today they would say yes.
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:25 PM   #16
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Does anyone think Leinart leads this Cardinals team to the Superbowl?
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I think winning this game would give Kurt Warner a rock solid case for the HOF. I don't think it's even sunk in with the majority what Kurt has accomplished. (At least it's still sinking i with me). I'm trying to think of the last time a quarterback took two seperate teams to the Superbowl. Not only that, he's taken two teams from out of the wilderness into Superbowl contention.

Reminds me of the discussions we had around here when we were dumping Griese. We had Jake Delhomme, Jake Plummer, Kordell Stewart, and Kurt Warner available at that time. Most everybody here was adamant against Warner.

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Because most everybody knew that Warner didn't fit our system. Warner is a statue and unfit to run the WCO.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:32 PM   #19
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That win today was one of the best performances I've ever seen by a quarterback.

Four t-down passes. No interceptions. Nearly a perfect game.
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Because most everybody knew that Warner didn't fit our system. Warner is a statue and unfit to run the WCO.
Plus at the time he had a screwed up hand and was playing poorly.
I don't see his hand getting better by putting on a Broncos jersey.
Now he is healthy again and playing like the Warner of old.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:40 PM   #21
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Kurt Warner is now in the Hall of Fame, period. Let's be honest people:

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1 Super Bowl MVP (with a SB record 414 yards passing)
One of only 4 QBs (Brady, Manning, Marino are the othes) with over 40 TDs in a single season
I don't believe that there is a single quarterback that has a resume like that that is not in the hall of fame.

But if you want a bigger indicator, he took the Arizona Cardinals to the Super Bowl. 61 years since their last appearance in a title game. If it takes another 61 years, most people who post on this board will not be alive to see that day. And sure, he has had great players around him in St. Louis and Arizona (Fitzgerald is hands down the best WR in the NFL and if Boldin wasn't also an all-pro talent, Fitz would put up ungodly numbers annually). BUT, the Rams still had Bruce, Holt, Faulk (and then Steven Jackson) and the gang with Bulger at QB. What exactly, did that group accomplish? One playoff win, I believe it was; a far cry from what was arguably the greatest offense of all time. The greatest show on turf deteorated to one of the laughingstocks of the NFL in a few short years. And I guarantee you if you asked if they regret trading Warner today they would say yes.

Best argument yet on the thread.

Another thing that Warner has going for him is that he has the great story. He came from arena football and ended up having a long career as a high-class leader who was willing to humble himself to stay in the game for opportunities like he has had with Arizona.

After this season in Arizona, he'll be remembered as the glory of the franchise...the nice guy who came in to mentor the kid and ended up taking a lost franchise to the place it had never been before.

Hollywood Leinart must be loathing all of this.
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Win or lose I don't think Kurt will retire. He's a guy who had it good all those years ago in St Louis and he's sorta had this chip on his shoulder being bounced around different places, still wanting to prove he was a starting caliber QB. He finally got that chance this year in AZ and it's worked out very well. He's gonna stay a few more years I believe. Leinart or not, I think Wisenhunt wants the best QB playing and that is Kurt.

If he wins the Superbowl this year, I don't think anybody will be asking if Kurt is HOF, they will be asking themselves, If I only just put down $50 bucks in Vegas, I could retire. I mean, what were the odds at the beginning of the season that the Cards could win the Superbowl? Amazing.

I love me some Marshall big time but yeah, Fitz is hands down the best WR in the NFL. He has absolutely no weakness. He has great speed, hops, YAC, hands, over the middle, feet, routes, blocking, etc.....
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Kurt Warner is a great great passer, Hall of Fame now that he's taken this sorry franchise to a Super Bowl.

But he is a Marino-Fouts type player: Big arm, but a warm-weather or dome QB only. Like Marino and Fouts before him, his career wouldda wilted in the cold ... take today for example: The weather in Philly must be similar to Pittsburgh ... does anybody honestly believe the Cards would've won that game in Philadelphia? And because in my opinion this Super Bowl appearance seals Warner's Hall-of-Fame credentials, a road game today might've made the difference in keeping him OUT of the Hall.

Just my opinion.
I'll probably get blasted for saying it, but...I am old enough to have watched Marino play (not quite in his prime, but I think I've got a handle on what kind of player he was; not old enough to have seen Fouts.)

And I would take Warner as my QB over Marino. Perhaps I'm just guilty of appreciating the good QB in front of me rather than the one whose been retired several years, but the heart Warner has shown (getting up after getting blasted several plays in a row and then leading the game-winning drive) puts him in a class above most other QBs. When he's playing well, there aren't many QBs in the league you take over him.
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I'll probably get blasted for saying it, but...I am old enough to have watched Marino play (not quite in his prime, but I think I've got a handle on what kind of player he was; not old enough to have seen Fouts.)

And I would take Warner as my QB over Marino. Perhaps I'm just guilty of appreciating the good QB in front of me rather than the one whose been retired several years, but the heart Warner has shown (getting up after getting blasted several plays in a row and then leading the game-winning drive) puts him in a class above most other QBs. When he's playing well, there aren't many QBs in the league you take over him.
When Marino was in his prime, he was the best pure-passing pocket QB of his era. He would blister secondaries like Manning does today. I'm not sure that Marino would be bright enough to run a hurry-up like Manning, but he could pick apart a secondary as good as anyone in history.
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Was Kurt Warner ever the best QB in the NFL? Is he right now? Was he with the Rams? That's the question you need to answer if you want to talk Hall of Fame.

Personally, I don't think Warner was ever the bar-none best QB in the NFL. It's a great story and he's done a fantastic job, but that's where it stops for me.
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