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Old 01-17-2009, 02:25 AM   #1
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Default Julius Peppers wants out of Carolina




http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736



Defensive End Julius Peppers let the Carolina Panthers know he's looking for a new change of scenery.



"The front office has been informed of my desire to explore opportunities with other NFL teams following the expiration of my contract next month" Papers said in a statement released by his agent. "At this point in my NFL career, I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop, and reach my full potential on the football field"
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:32 AM   #2
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Isn't he a 4-3 DE and isn't Denver moving to a 3-4 next year. Doesn't seem like a real good investment for us, not anymore anyways...
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:45 AM   #3
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Isn't he a 4-3 DE and isn't Denver moving to a 3-4 next year. Doesn't seem like a real good investment for us, not anymore anyways...
Actually no one on the Broncos staff has said We won't play a 4-3. It's the Orangemane that has said we are going 3-4.

By the Way Peppers goes about 285 lbs. Plays the run and has a multitude of pass rushing skills. IMO he could play end in either a 3-4 or a 4-3.

Peppers with an OLB like Suggs behind him would be pretty scary.

What in Peppers game makes you think he couldnt play end in a 3-4? Or did you just think that because he's coming from a 4-3?

If you really believe Peppers isnt a 3-4 end then what exactly do you want in a 3-4 end?
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He isn't worth the money it'd take to get him to play 3-4 end, nor would it be very likely he'd be interested in such a non glamor position.
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:48 AM   #5
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Isn't he a 4-3 DE and isn't Denver moving to a 3-4 next year. Doesn't seem like a real good investment for us, not anymore anyways...
Move like this would be better then cleaning house for the 3-4.
Pair Peppers up with a rotating Doom and Moss (along with another run stopping DE),
Thomas, Robertson in the middle, hopefully another DT in the draft, draft a MLB, Rams FS Otogwe in FA........and it's a start.
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I think he could play a 3-4 end but I don't think he'd want to because he'd be consuming blockers most of the time. Granted the Broncos haven't said if they will play a 4-3 or 3-4 so who knows what will happen.
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I think he could play a 3-4 end but I don't think he'd want to because he'd be consuming blockers most of the time. Granted the Broncos haven't said if they will play a 4-3 or 3-4 so who knows what will happen.
The other poster above said same thing, and that's a good point. Peppers may not want to go to a team that plays a 3-4. Still though at 6-7 285 he could do it. Also some ends like Seymore seem to get glamor even though they play in a 3-4. True you don't see the ends usually get 14 sacks like Peppers has put up in a 4-3.
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How about Peppers as an OLB in a 3-4? Mostly a pass rusher but the ability to drop back and pick some passes off, i think it's in his arsenal.

I gotta say, though.. even if it COULD work...

A. It might not
B. He probably wouldn't want to play the position anyway

However, if there is one position that is worth over spending on this offseason it is defensive line. I'd rather have Haynesworth, because he's a factor no matter what defense you are running...
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Below is from rotoworld. I can see them franchising Peppers and then signing Gross to a long term deal.

Julius Peppers-DL- Panthers Jan. 16 - 11:34 pm et

Julius Peppers has formally asked the Panthers to allow him to seek employment elsewhere.

The Panthers have let it be known that they planned to franchise Peppers if they could not reach a long-term deal with him, but Peppers wants the opportunity to hit the open market. Carolina has nothing to gain by letting their franchise defensive end leave without compensation, so we can expect this one to get ugly.
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No way Peppers could be an effective 3-4 DE and it would be an outrageous waste of money to put him in that position. A 3-4 OLB maybe but at this point in his career, I don't see why he would want to switch.

His statement about wanting out of Carolina is just part of the game that players/agents play with their team. At the very least, I agree that he'll be franchise tagged.
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How about Peppers as an OLB in a 3-4? Mostly a pass rusher but the ability to drop back and pick some passes off, i think it's in his arsenal.

I gotta say, though.. even if it COULD work...

A. It might not
B. He probably wouldn't want to play the position anyway

However, if there is one position that is worth over spending on this offseason it is defensive line. I'd rather have Haynesworth, because he's a factor no matter what defense you are running...
he's probably too big for that. At 285 and 6-7 he would have a lot of trouble dropping into zones, changing direction to make plays on the ball, running with TE etc etc.
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he's probably too big for that. At 285 and 6-7 he would have a lot of trouble dropping into zones, changing direction to make plays on the ball, running with TE etc etc.
Adalius Thomas is 6'2", 270 and he's played everything from DE to CB.

Its all about how athletic the individual is. As someone who's watched Peppers play form when he was in college, I'd say he could play a 3-4 OLB better than anyone on our staff right now. He's arguably the most athletic person in the league by a size/strength/speed aggregate and he's always had great ball skills for anyone in the front seven of a defense.

But even if the Panthers don't tag him, thats a stupid amount of money to spend on a guy you'll be playing at either 3-4 OLB or DE. The only way it'd make sense to me is if we run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid and get Peppers involved at DE in both formations as well as OLB in the 3-4. Kinda like the situation I'd want us to use if we brought in BJ Raji, being able to to use him at NT in both the 3-4 (where he'd fill his gap assignments and stuff the run) and the 4-3 (where he'd often have the same responsibilities but could also occasionally be allowed to make use of his great pass rushing skills).

It all comes down to how innovative Mike Nolan is going to be defensively. He was on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday and he said he isn't committed to the 3-4 or 4-3, that there really isn't much of a front seven foundation on the team at all, and that what we actually run will depend on where he can fit current guys in as well as FA and the draft. He did however also talk at length about how much he liked what the Cardinals were doing to cause turnovers with their hybrid defensive scheme and how important that was.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to employ a similar approach in overhauling our defense, utilizing a hybrid with various personnel to cause confusion for the offense and generate turnovers while we're making the transition to what he envisions as the long term defensive scheme.
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Old 01-17-2009, 06:40 AM   #13
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He's just playing the game. He wants to be free of the Franchise (or any) tag and wants to gauge his value on the open market.

He will only be elsewhere if a team gives up the picks.
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I'm over salivating over these high priced defensive talent, especially on the D line. Just draft smart, pick up some solid FA talent that won't break the bank and implement a defensive system that best maximizes their potential. Sounds easy, huh?
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Old 01-17-2009, 07:25 AM   #15
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I can't think of any other options out there that would have a more immediate impact on our defense then signing Peppers and sticking to the 4-3. I'm not opposed to the 3-4 switch if someone like Peppers could not be brought in, since the D is in shambles anyway, but Peppers is exactly what the team has been lacking in the 4-3.
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I'm over salivating over these high priced defensive talent, especially on the D line. Just draft smart, pick up some solid FA talent that won't break the bank and implement a defensive system that best maximizes their potential. Sounds easy, huh?
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Old 01-17-2009, 08:44 AM   #17
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Translation: The Panthers have 2 big time FAs in me and Jordan Gross and not a whole lot of cap space, so I don´t think they will be able to give me the contract I want and I don´t want to be tagged, either, so just let me go and sign Jordan instead.
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Peppers agent has said he would not be opposed to playing in the 3-4, but I question his ability to be a 3-4 OLB, I think he would be a better fit at DE as he is pretty used to facing double teams.

The big question is going to be Jordan Gross, he is clearly the man they want to keep in Carolina, but if they can't get him extended they will have to franchise tag him meaning that Peppers walks. If Gross is resigned before the deadline expect Peppers to get the Corey Williams special and get tagged and then traded.

If Peppers would be willing to play DE in the 3-4 I would like to at least enquire about his price, with the current downturn contracts will go down compared to previous years. As a player he is not too unlike Richard Seymour, if Peppers bulks up a bit he could play that role quite well I think, but it all hinges on him being willing and on the price.

As it stands now we would do better by going hard for LBs and Ss in free agency and leaving the DL for the draft.
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He could bust off 2k in our new system.
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The AP write up with a rather interesting tidbit:

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Carey, who first told ESPN.com of Peppers’ decision early Saturday, said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. The Panthers use a 4-3 alignment.

“He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense,” Carey said. “He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities.”
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The AP write up with a rather interesting tidbit:
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Actually no one on the Broncos staff has said We won't play a 4-3. It's the Orangemane that has said we are going 3-4.

By the Way Peppers goes about 285 lbs. Plays the run and has a multitude of pass rushing skills. IMO he could play end in either a 3-4 or a 4-3.

Peppers with an OLB like Suggs behind him would be pretty scary.

What in Peppers game makes you think he couldnt play end in a 3-4? Or did you just think that because he's coming from a 4-3?

If you really believe Peppers isnt a 3-4 end then what exactly do you want in a 3-4 end?
4-3/3-4 Hybrid?
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4-3/3-4 Hybrid?
This is probably what we'll be playing this season. It's what Nolan did in SF Patrick Willis' first year, and it was pretty good.
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4-3/3-4 Hybrid?
I'd imagine it'd be that until we get all the right players involved and so on then it will become just a 3-4.
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The agent for Julius Peppers says his client wants to play as a stand-up 3-4 outside linebacker for his next team.

The Gaston Gazette expects Carolina to put the franchise tag on Peppers, then try to trade him. They won't worry about what position he wants to play. At 6'7/283, Peppers would easily be the biggest linebacker in the league.
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