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Old 01-12-2009, 07:48 PM   #1
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Well, so it's finally a 3-4. Awesome.

That said, the weakest link is still the DL but now I think DT becomes the #1 pick instead of DE. Thomas will probably compete there because I don't see him as an end at all. Time for him to step up if he wants to start. If not, he's probably rotation material at NT.

I think Ekuban will start at one End and the other side I have no clue. I don't see anybody we have doing well there. Crowder seems like the best fit based on his body type and speed but his skills are weak. I actually think Engelberger stays now and fills back up behind Ekuban. Peterson and Robertson are lost in this lineup I think. I don't think either are up for NT and both are too slow for End.

I think Safety now becomes the 2nd pick and a CB and LB following that. Then some more DL help if we keep all our picks.

I think we finally will see Moss blossom now that he will be an outside backer in the 3-4. I think that role fits him great. I'm sold that he along with WW and DJ will hold 3 of the spots at LB. I'm not counting on Boss to do anything but get hurt again by the 2nd or 3rd game.

So who should we draft at NT with our #1 pick?
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:51 PM   #2
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NT, LB, DE, Safety, all very pressing needs now. I dont think we have enough draft picks.
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I would actually wait and pick up Brace from BC in 2nd or 3rd . See if Powell can bulk up and be something to.

Or trade back if possible and pick Raji around 17 to 20.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:55 PM   #5
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Just went to this draft site and low and behold that's who they have Denver taking, Raji. Says it was updated Jan. 3. How did they know we'd need a NT?

I want the best safety. It's my turn.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...mock_draft.htm
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:56 PM   #6
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I guess this means you arent one of the "get Haynesworth now!" sycophants? Good. It would be nice if Marcus Thomas could play there. He is 40 lbs lighter than Jamal Williams, however, he is only 20 lighter than Vince Wilfork & Casey Hampton. As he is 23 right now, he could put the weight on. However, while he might be able to eat his way to NT, I am not sure the skill will follow. But I have hope the kid can get it done.
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Screw it, grab a pair of hogs on day two.

I still want my shiny new linebacker ****ers.
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I would actually wait and pick up Brace from BC in 2nd or 3rd . See if Powell can bulk up and be something to.

Or trade back if possible and pick Raji around 17 to 20.

Exactly. At 12 DT is a reach but Brace should be there in the second. He may be a reach there but less of one than Raji at 12.
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If we are really going 3-4 we need a Blue chip NT.

We still need 2 Safeties on day 1.

MickeyD better not get a hard on for a WR in round 1 or 2. If he does his stay will not be long.
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If we are really going 3-4 we need a Blue chip NT.

We still need 2 Safeties on day 1.

MickeyD better not get a hard on for a WR in round 1 or 2. If he does his stay will not be long.
What DT is there in the draft thats slotted to go in the top 10?
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If we are really going 3-4 we need a Blue chip NT.

We still need 2 Safeties on day 1.

MickeyD better not get a hard on for a WR in round 1 or 2. If he does his stay will not be long.

I would have a total melt down
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What DT is there in the draft thats slotted to go in the top 10?
Dunno, socal is pimping some Raji guy. I think switching to new HC and D scheme in one year is way too much.
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BJ Raji from Boston College is an impressive specimin, but a bad citizen....

And Marcus Thomas would be an excellent fit at 3-4 DE, as would Kenny Peterson. Maybe Crowder, too.
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BJ Raji from Boston College is an impressive specimin, but a bad citizen....

And Marcus Thomas would be an excellent fit at 3-4 DE, as would Kenny Peterson. Maybe Crowder, too.
So if we have to burn our #1 at NT do they seriously consider moving Champ to FS a la Bernard Jackson? Bly and Bell at CB and Champ freelancing?

That means 2nd round pick for SS or LB?
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There's a lot of good D talent in this years draft. I wish we had 2 first rounders. Mays and Raji would be amazing.
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:16 PM   #17
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Well, so it's finally a 3-4. Awesome.

That said, the weakest link is still the DL but now I think DT becomes the #1 pick instead of DE. Thomas will probably compete there because I don't see him as an end at all. Time for him to step up if he wants to start. If not, he's probably rotation material at NT.

I think Ekuban will start at one End and the other side I have no clue. I don't see anybody we have doing well there. Crowder seems like the best fit based on his body type and speed but his skills are weak. I actually think Engelberger stays now and fills back up behind Ekuban. Peterson and Robertson are lost in this lineup I think. I don't think either are up for NT and both are too slow for End.

I think Safety now becomes the 2nd pick and a CB and LB following that. Then some more DL help if we keep all our picks.

I think we finally will see Moss blossom now that he will be an outside backer in the 3-4. I think that role fits him great. I'm sold that he along with WW and DJ will hold 3 of the spots at LB. I'm not counting on Boss to do anything but get hurt again by the 2nd or 3rd game.

So who should we draft at NT with our #1 pick?

i don't think Moss will be succesful in the 3-4 scheme at all...he doesn't get low and he's not strong...he has no decent pass rush moves either...he'll just get pushed right on passed the QB no prob...

Doom has the better chance as the SAM IMO...his frame reminds me of Harrison for the Steelers but i question Doom's versatility...

plus i think Peterson can play 3-4 end...and i certainly believe Thomas can play end...Crowder on the other hand i feel is not at all suited to play as an end in a 3-4...

i do agree that Ekuban can play as an end but I don't see Engleberger having a roster spot at all...

i think you're spot on with WW and DJ...and i hope they draft almost exactly as you recommend...
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i don't think Moss will be succesful in the 3-4 scheme at all...he doesn't get low and he's not strong...he has no decent pass rush moves either...he'll just get pushed right on passed the QB no prob...

Doom has the better chance as the SAM IMO...his frame reminds me of Harrison for the Steelers but i question Doom's versatility...

plus i think Peterson can play 3-4 end...and i certainly believe Thomas can play end...Crowder on the other hand i feel is not at all suited to play as an end in a 3-4...

i do agree that Ekuban can play as an end but I don't see Engleberger having a roster spot at all...

i think you're spot on with WW and DJ...and i hope they draft almost exactly as you recommend...
Moss could be a blitzing LB in a 3-4.

Dumervile isnt fast enough to play LB in a 3-4 and he cant stop the run.
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FWIW, here is a list of FA DTs...its kind of thin.

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=1...3&rc=16&pid=22

If we want to be competitive this year, we may need to trade.
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Agreed. For the hell of it -- go after Hanesworth...

Until we get serious about the D line, I dont care if Jimmy Neutron is coach, we get the same outcome.
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Funny how some people don't realize the good NT's aren't always picked so high. The best the past few years before age finally caught up to him was Jamal Williams, and he was a late rounder I believe.
There is no sense in drafting a NT in the 1st round when there is nobody worth the 12th pick in the draft there. You don't draft for need, you draft for best available that you can use. Taylor Mays is a much, MUCH smarter pick than a NT in the 1st. Plus, DL in the 1st round always scares me because it may be the biggest crapshoot of all the positions.
I think we explore DL in the middle rounds and free agency.
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Moss could be a blitzing LB in a 3-4.

Dumervile isnt fast enough to play LB in a 3-4 and he cant stop the run.

doubt it for Moss...for the reasons already stated...

and how fast does Doom have to be?...his speed isn't an issue...but as i stated his versatility could be and stopping the run may be a problem for him...

i'd be interested to see him get a chance in that role...i wanna see if he can pull it off with the right coaching...
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Well, so it's finally a 3-4. Awesome.

That said, the weakest link is still the DL but now I think DT becomes the #1 pick instead of DE. Thomas will probably compete there because I don't see him as an end at all. Time for him to step up if he wants to start. If not, he's probably rotation material at NT.

I think Ekuban will start at one End and the other side I have no clue. I don't see anybody we have doing well there. Crowder seems like the best fit based on his body type and speed but his skills are weak. I actually think Engelberger stays now and fills back up behind Ekuban. Peterson and Robertson are lost in this lineup I think. I don't think either are up for NT and both are too slow for End.

I think Safety now becomes the 2nd pick and a CB and LB following that. Then some more DL help if we keep all our picks.

I think we finally will see Moss blossom now that he will be an outside backer in the 3-4. I think that role fits him great. I'm sold that he along with WW and DJ will hold 3 of the spots at LB. I'm not counting on Boss to do anything but get hurt again by the 2nd or 3rd game.

So who should we draft at NT with our #1 pick?
Gerrard Warren would have been good at the nose. Why did Denver trade himagain??
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I think Jarvis could pull off the move to 3-4 OLB. Some had him projected there during the draft. And Marcus Thomas and Kenny Peterson are more than capable of playing end. I wouldn't trust both to start though. I think only Thomas is starting DE material. Which means we need another starter at DE. Cris Canty?
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